[opensuse] Upgrading KDE4 on 11.1
I apologise in advance that this has been covered before but I cannot find the solution. I have afresh installation of 11.1 64 bit withe KDE 4.1.3. I want to upgrade that to a newer version either 4.2 or 4.3 but I cannot resolve the dependency problems that occur whenever I try.. I have looked for howtos and googled around but cannot find the solution. Can somebody please point me to a way to do this ? TIA Mike -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
I apologise in advance that this has been covered before but I cannot find the solution. I have afresh installation of 11.1 64 bit withe KDE 4.1.3.
I want to upgrade that to a newer version either 4.2 or 4.3 but I cannot resolve the dependency problems that occur whenever I try.. I have looked for howtos and googled around but cannot find the solution.
Can somebody please point me to a way to do this ?
The easiest is to use the 1-Click install from the website: http://en.opensuse.org/KDE4#Factory_KDE_Project_.28KDE_4.3_RC_1.29 for the latest 4.3 Beta builds (and it's pretty darn good right now despite the Beta/RC label) or use http://en.opensuse.org/KDE4#KDE_4.2_Project for the more "stable" 4.2 builds. C. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Wednesday 08 July 2009 14:36:58 Clayton wrote:
I apologise in advance that this has been covered before but I cannot find the solution. I have afresh installation of 11.1 64 bit withe KDE 4.1.3.
I want to upgrade that to a newer version either 4.2 or 4.3 but I cannot resolve the dependency problems that occur whenever I try.. I have looked for howtos and googled around but cannot find the solution.
Can somebody please point me to a way to do this ?
The easiest is to use the 1-Click install from the website: http://en.opensuse.org/KDE4#Factory_KDE_Project_.28KDE_4.3_RC_1.29 for the latest 4.3 Beta builds (and it's pretty darn good right now despite the Beta/RC label)
or use http://en.opensuse.org/KDE4#KDE_4.2_Project for the more "stable" 4.2 builds.
C.
That is one of the methods I have tried and I always end up with an immense amount of dependency conflicts which never seem resolvable however I try. Mike -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Wednesday 08 Jul 2009 17:39:40 michael norman wrote:
On Wednesday 08 July 2009 14:36:58 Clayton wrote:
I apologise in advance that this has been covered before but I cannot find the solution. I have afresh installation of 11.1 64 bit withe KDE 4.1.3.
I want to upgrade that to a newer version either 4.2 or 4.3 but I cannot resolve the dependency problems that occur whenever I try.. I have looked for howtos and googled around but cannot find the solution.
Can somebody please point me to a way to do this ?
The easiest is to use the 1-Click install from the website: http://en.opensuse.org/KDE4#Factory_KDE_Project_.28KDE_4.3_RC_1.29 for the latest 4.3 Beta builds (and it's pretty darn good right now despite the Beta/RC label)
or use http://en.opensuse.org/KDE4#KDE_4.2_Project for the more "stable" 4.2 builds.
C.
That is one of the methods I have tried and I always end up with an immense amount of dependency conflicts which never seem resolvable however I try.
Mike
Best of luck trying to get a decent deffinitive answer on that one i tried and gave up , It seems we are in a too many chiefs and not enough indians situation chiefs all say push the indians cant give the answers when the brown and smelly hits the rotating oscillating device Pete (that is my experience yours May just MAY vary)
The easiest is to use the 1-Click install from the website: http://en.opensuse.org/KDE4#Factory_KDE_Project_.28KDE_4.3_RC_1.29 for the latest 4.3 Beta builds (and it's pretty darn good right now despite the Beta/RC label)
or use http://en.opensuse.org/KDE4#KDE_4.2_Project for the more "stable" 4.2 builds.
That is one of the methods I have tried and I always end up with an immense amount of dependency conflicts which never seem resolvable however I try.
Hmmmm weird.. I've done two 11.1 installs with 4.3 upgrades recently.. one just yesterday using that method, and it worked perfectly. Is there any pattern to your dependency conflicts? Are they simple vendor changes? or real conflicts? Clicking the 1-Click and going from 4.0.3 or 4.3RC1 does generate (in my experience) a significant number of vendor changes - to be expected from a major upgrade like that I wouldn't really call vendor changes actual dependency problems... more like a warning to say hey, this is changing, is it what you want, and in this case the answer is yes. C -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
michael norman said the following on 07/08/2009 12:39 PM:
On Wednesday 08 July 2009 14:36:58 Clayton wrote:
I apologise in advance that this has been covered before but I cannot find the solution. I have afresh installation of 11.1 64 bit withe KDE 4.1.3.
I want to upgrade that to a newer version either 4.2 or 4.3 but I cannot resolve the dependency problems that occur whenever I try.. I have looked for howtos and googled around but cannot find the solution.
Can somebody please point me to a way to do this ? The easiest is to use the 1-Click install from the website: http://en.opensuse.org/KDE4#Factory_KDE_Project_.28KDE_4.3_RC_1.29 for the latest 4.3 Beta builds (and it's pretty darn good right now despite the Beta/RC label)
or use http://en.opensuse.org/KDE4#KDE_4.2_Project for the more "stable" 4.2 builds.
C.
That is one of the methods I have tried and I always end up with an immense amount of dependency conflicts which never seem resolvable however I try.
Indeed. So do I with that. I've never had "Dependency Hell" before, and this blows me away. It begins with this, an there are another 20 screenfuls that follow! I've been keeping up to date with a daily "zypper up". Where's the clue fairy when you need her? #### YaST2 conflicts list - generated 2009-07-08 13:50:36 #### nothing provides libgps.so.17 needed by kdebase4-workspace-4.2.95-282.3.i586 [ ] do not install kdebase4-workspace-4.2.95-282.3.i586 nothing provides libgps.so.17 needed by kdebase4-workspace-4.2.95-282.3.i586 [ ] do not install kdebase4-session-4.2.95-40.2.i586 nothing provides libgps.so.17 needed by kdebase4-workspace-4.2.95-282.3.i586 [ ] Following actions will be done: do not install kwin-4.2.95-282.3.i586 deinstallation of kde4-kwin-4.2.4-3.10.i586 nothing provides libGLEW.so.1.5 needed by koffice2-krita-2.0.1-4.3.i586 [ ] Following actions will be done: do not install akregator-4.2.95-137.1.i586 do not install kfind-4.2.95-93.6.i586 do not install kdialog-4.2.95-93.6.i586 do not install kfloppy-4.2.95-67.7.i586 do not install kdf-4.2.95-67.7.i586 do not install konsole-4.2.95-93.6.i586 do not install ksnapshot-4.2.95-103.3.i586 do not install korganizer-4.2.95-137.1.i586 do not install kwrite-4.2.95-93.6.i586 do not install konqueror-4.2.95-93.6.i586 do not install kscd-4.2.95-61.6.i586 do not install okular-4.2.95-103.3.i586 do not install kwalletmanager-4.2.95-67.7.i586 [ ] deinstallation of koffice2-krita-1.9.98.6-53.8.i586 -- Me...a skeptic? I trust you can prove that. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Am Mittwoch, 8. Juli 2009 19:57:16 schrieb Anton Aylward:
Indeed. So do I with that. I've never had "Dependency Hell" before, and this blows me away.
It begins with this, an there are another 20 screenfuls that follow! I've been keeping up to date with a daily "zypper up".
http://en.opensuse.org/KDE/KDE4#Most_Annoying_Bugs.2FTroubleshooting
Where's the clue fairy when you need her?
#### YaST2 conflicts list - generated 2009-07-08 13:50:36 ####
nothing provides libgps.so.17 needed by kdebase4-workspace-4.2.95-282.3.i586
libgps is part of the DVD or oss repo which you seem to not have enabled. Updating is possible, so any conflicts you get are resolveable if you add the correct repos with the correct priorities. This is nothing about chiefs or indians, just about settings up ones repos correctly and the knowledge needed if one wants to use stuff that is not part of the DVD. Sven -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Wednesday 08 July 2009 19:33:33 Sven Burmeister wrote:
Am Mittwoch, 8. Juli 2009 19:57:16 schrieb Anton Aylward:
Indeed. So do I with that. I've never had "Dependency Hell" before, and this blows me away.
It begins with this, an there are another 20 screenfuls that follow! I've been keeping up to date with a daily "zypper up".
http://en.opensuse.org/KDE/KDE4#Most_Annoying_Bugs.2FTroubleshooting
Where's the clue fairy when you need her?
#### YaST2 conflicts list - generated 2009-07-08 13:50:36 ####
nothing provides libgps.so.17 needed by kdebase4-workspace-4.2.95-282.3.i586
libgps is part of the DVD or oss repo which you seem to not have enabled.
Updating is possible, so any conflicts you get are resolveable if you add the correct repos with the correct priorities. This is nothing about chiefs or indians, just about settings up ones repos correctly and the knowledge needed if one wants to use stuff that is not part of the DVD.
Sven
Sorry but I cannot accept that. I have reverted this box to 10.3 run the one click KDE 4.3 and it worked with no problem at all Surely the whole point of one click is that it offers you the repos required, it certainly does with the nvidia drivers and the multimedia stuff which surely takes care of the "setting up on'e repos correctly" point that you make somewhat condescendingly if I may say so. Whether you like it or not in my and others experience the upgrade of KDE4 on 11.1 is broken and that is simply not good enough. It should just work and it doesn't. Mike -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Whether you like it or not in my and others experience the upgrade of KDE4 on 11.1 is broken and that is simply not good enough. It should just work and it doesn't.
It does just work for me on several installs/machines. I've done 2 recent installs (mentioned earlier in this thread) and 4 or 5 others.. with updates to 4.3 RC1 recently on 11.0 and 11.1 and they worked fine. The most recent update had several vendor changes.. which are not much of a big deal to sort out. Something else is interfering with your setup? Custom repos? Repos manually tweaked? I don't know, but something is odd. C. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Am Mittwoch, 8. Juli 2009 21:35:00 schrieb michael norman:
Updating is possible, so any conflicts you get are resolveable if you add the correct repos with the correct priorities. This is nothing about chiefs or indians, just about settings up ones repos correctly and the knowledge needed if one wants to use stuff that is not part of the DVD.
Sven
Sorry but I cannot accept that. I have reverted this box to 10.3 run the one click KDE 4.3 and it worked with no problem at all
Of course, there were no KDE4 packages in 10.3, so everything is new, nothing to be replaced, nothing that depends on older kdelibs than you are installing etc. Not a valid comparison, sorry.
Surely the whole point of one click is that it offers you the repos required, it certainly does with the nvidia drivers and the multimedia stuff which surely takes care of the "setting up on'e repos correctly" point that you make somewhat condescendingly if I may say so.
Whether you like it or not in my and others experience the upgrade of KDE4 on 11.1 is broken and that is simply not good enough. It should just work and it doesn't.
Since upgrading is possible, how can it be broken, are all those that got it magicians? Because there are already KDE4 packages in 11.1 you need to resolve some dependencies manually, that's it, nothing broken. Sven -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Since upgrading is possible, how can it be broken, are all those that got it magicians? Because there are already KDE4 packages in 11.1 you need to resolve some dependencies manually, that's it, nothing broken.
Sven
some dependencies amonted to 60 or 70 for me. Too many. I am leaving this discussion and this list Mike -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
some dependencies amonted to 60 or 70 for me. Too many. I am leaving this discussion and this list
:-( Leaving the list? Wow... no insta-answer I guess. Sigh. Shame really since this problem is resolvable... and probably could be sorted without a lot more effort. C. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Am Mittwoch, 8. Juli 2009 19:57:16 schrieb Anton Aylward:
Indeed. So do I with that. I've never had "Dependency Hell" before, and this blows me away.
It begins with this, an there are another 20 screenfuls that follow! I've been keeping up to date with a daily "zypper up".
http://en.opensuse.org/KDE/KDE4#Most_Annoying_Bugs.2FTroubleshooting
Where's the clue fairy when you need her?
#### YaST2 conflicts list - generated 2009-07-08 13:50:36 ####
nothing provides libgps.so.17 needed by kdebase4-workspace-4.2.95-282.3.i586
libgps is part of the DVD or oss repo which you seem to not have enabled.
Updating is possible, so any conflicts you get are resolveable if you add the correct repos with the correct priorities. This is nothing about chiefs or indians, just about settings up ones repos correctly and the knowledge needed if one wants to use stuff that is not part of the DVD.
Sven Well lets have a list of the correct repo's TO set up it is all very well comming out with a comment but when it is empty what use is it where is the
On Wednesday 08 Jul 2009 19:33:33 Sven Burmeister wrote: list of correct repos that will solve the huge list of dependency hell , Can you produce such a list can you tell us where such a list exists we cant all just magic a list out of the air we are not all miracle workers some of us are mere mortals Pete .
Peter Nikolic said the following on 07/08/2009 03:44 PM:
Well lets have a list of the correct repo's TO set up it is all very well comming out with a comment but when it is empty what use is it where is the list of correct repos that will solve the huge list of dependency hell , Can you produce such a list can you tell us where such a list exists we cant all just magic a list out of the air we are not all miracle workers some of us are mere mortals
Rather more bluntly put than I would have phrased it, but yes, that's about it. Saying "Well it works for me" isn't that far ahead of the old "I'm all right, Jack". -- The only secure computer is one that's unplugged, locked in a safe, and buried 20 feet under the ground in a secret location... and i'm not even too sure about that one" - Dennis Huges, FBI. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Am Mittwoch, 8. Juli 2009 21:51:39 schrieb Anton Aylward:
Peter Nikolic said the following on 07/08/2009 03:44 PM:
Well lets have a list of the correct repo's TO set up it is all very well comming out with a comment but when it is empty what use is it where is the list of correct repos that will solve the huge list of dependency hell , Can you produce such a list can you tell us where such a list exists we cant all just magic a list out of the air we are not all miracle workers some of us are mere mortals
Rather more bluntly put than I would have phrased it, but yes, that's about it. Saying "Well it works for me" isn't that far ahead of the old "I'm all right, Jack".
Sorry that I tried to help you, I do already regret it. Sven -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Wednesday 08 Jul 2009 21:00:43 Sven Burmeister wrote:
Am Mittwoch, 8. Juli 2009 21:51:39 schrieb Anton Aylward:
Peter Nikolic said the following on 07/08/2009 03:44 PM:
Well lets have a list of the correct repo's TO set up it is all very well comming out with a comment but when it is empty what use is it where is the list of correct repos that will solve the huge list of dependency hell , Can you produce such a list can you tell us where such a list exists we cant all just magic a list out of the air we are not all miracle workers some of us are mere mortals
Rather more bluntly put than I would have phrased it, but yes, that's about it. Saying "Well it works for me" isn't that far ahead of the old "I'm all right, Jack".
Sorry that I tried to help you, I do already regret it.
Sven Well instead of say i regret it and disapearing into a shell again hows about telling us mere mortals the magic list of repos or is that some big secret only for the chosen few < sorry if you dont like my tone but i get more than a little hacked of when all we get are half answers with no real help or assistance if you were in my shoes you would react exactly the same ,
We aint all got crystal balls (of either sort) so a little guidence in the correct direction works wonders where as useless quips just get peoples backs up hence the comments you take offence at , Maybe i am the only one with the balls to say it out loud so be it but i rather feel i speak for a considerable number of people that maybe are not quite as direct as i am thats part of being me maybe thats the result of my Maceadonian father and my Irish French mother who knows . Pete .
Am Mittwoch, 8. Juli 2009 23:30:10 schrieb Peter Nikolic:
On Wednesday 08 Jul 2009 21:00:43 Sven Burmeister wrote:
Am Mittwoch, 8. Juli 2009 21:51:39 schrieb Anton Aylward:
Peter Nikolic said the following on 07/08/2009 03:44 PM:
Well lets have a list of the correct repo's TO set up it is all very well comming out with a comment but when it is empty what use is it where is the list of correct repos that will solve the huge list of dependency hell , Can you produce such a list can you tell us where such a list exists we cant all just magic a list out of the air we are not all miracle workers some of us are mere mortals
Rather more bluntly put than I would have phrased it, but yes, that's about it. Saying "Well it works for me" isn't that far ahead of the old "I'm all right, Jack".
Sorry that I tried to help you, I do already regret it.
Well instead of say i regret it and disapearing into a shell again hows about telling us mere mortals the magic list of repos or is that some big secret only for the chosen few < sorry if you dont like my tone but i get more than a little hacked of when all we get are half answers with no real help or assistance if you were in my shoes you would react exactly the same ,
No I would not, simply because I would not start the way you do. Please don't assume that others would show the same kind of behaviour and attitude as you do. There is a huge difference between just asking for help and implying with every comment that the other person is looking down on those asking for help and similar allegations regarding opensuse or the KDE4 devs. If you really wanted help, you would show some initiative and provide information that enables others to help you, you would do some research and ask on forums, IRC etc. Maybe somebody else is willing to help people with your attitude and history of talking to me. As OSS, helping is something people do in their free time and voluntarily, if you do not appreciate that and do your bit, you get it all wrong. David and me had some very unfriendly conversations in the past, yet I still try to help him if there is something I can answer. So it's not the way that I take people's criticism personally, it's just that you don't get how the ping pong that leads to help works. Instead you continue with your allegations and implications. I tried to help Anton and Michael, e.g. by pointing out where the gps package can be found or explaining why the kdebase4-workspace dependency could not be met for kaffeine, implying that my answers on this thread were just empty is another of your false allegations.
We aint all got crystal balls (of either sort) so a little guidence in the correct direction works wonders where as useless quips just get peoples backs up hence the comments you take offence at , Maybe i am the only one with the balls to say it out loud so be it but i rather feel i speak for a considerable number of people that maybe are not quite as direct as i am thats part of being me maybe thats the result of my Maceadonian father and my Irish French mother who knows .
It's rather that if you want people to help you, you should think about your attitude and treat them in a way that motivates them to help you. If until now nobody helped you with your KDE4 issues, maybe you should start to think if you are doing something wrong. And please do not confuse being direct with offending. Offending people and making allegations takes no balls at all. Direct would mean that you skip your allegations and implications and just state the problem. Instead you started with your indians and chiefs adding nothing useful to this thread. To apply double standards is really a pain. Sven -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Sven Burmeister said the following on 07/09/2009 03:02 AM:
I tried to help Anton and Michael, e.g. by pointing out where the gps package can be found or explaining why the kdebase4-workspace dependency could not be met for kaffeine,
I disagree with that. No you did not say where the GPS package was. and your explanation made little sense to me apart from 'delete kaffine'. I suspect there are a whole pile of assumptions you are making which are fine for you, but without making them clear to the rest of us, you come across as arrogant. "Go look" is fine if you are saying "go google"; its not when you point to the page that got us confused in the first place, For example, that 'trouble shooting' reference was of no use since I couldn't see how it related to my situation. You can;t assume we are looking at things in the same way you are. A few more words of assistance and explanation ... well you are quite willing to write a LOT words justifying your position, half as much devoted to explanation would have saved all this argument. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Am Donnerstag, 9. Juli 2009 13:24:11 schrieb Anton Aylward:
Sven Burmeister said the following on 07/09/2009 03:02 AM:
I tried to help Anton and Michael, e.g. by pointing out where the gps package can be found or explaining why the kdebase4-workspace dependency could not be met for kaffeine,
I disagree with that. No you did not say where the GPS package was. and your explanation made little sense to me apart from 'delete kaffine'.
From my answer to your first email: "> nothing provides libgps.so.17 needed by
kdebase4-workspace-4.2.95-282.3.i586
libgps is part of the DVD or oss repo which you seem to not have enabled." I guess there is nothing else to say and prove your motivation.
I suspect there are a whole pile of assumptions you are making which are fine for you, but without making them clear to the rest of us, you come across as arrogant. "Go look" is fine if you are saying "go google"; its not when you point to the page that got us confused in the first place,
For example, that 'trouble shooting' reference was of no use since I couldn't see how it related to my situation.
You can;t assume we are looking at things in the same way you are. A few more words of assistance and explanation ... well you are quite willing to write a LOT words justifying your position, half as much devoted to explanation would have saved all this argument.
No, because of your motivation, see above. Sven -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Thursday 09 Jul 2009 08:02:11 Sven Burmeister wrote:
Sven
I am not going to get into a ding dong with you as you seem to want I have on several occaisions asked what other info is needed / wanted to NO avail so dont hang that one on me not for the want of trying right here's your chance what other info ? clue me in you want reams and reams of C&P dependencies next time i try to update that is what you will have you want specific info tell me what dont just expect me to know what you want , And by the way there are a lot of users that wont come on the list because they get no decent replys to questions i have quite a nest of users all Opensuse 11.0 and 11.1 all 64 bit none of them will use the list because no one will tell them what sort of info people want to see they just get sarcastic replys so my point are valid . I am sick of getting the more info line then asking what more to get zero response or some sarcastic or snide comment then you wonder why i bite believe me you WOULD do exactly the same if you were in my shoes Pete -- you want info tell me what
your chance what other info ? clue me in you want reams and reams of C&P dependencies next time i try to update that is what you will have you want specific info tell me what dont just expect me to know what you want ,
In my experience, there is a distinct pattern to the dependency errors when you do a major update and bump into them. Generally... they are all pointing to one or maybe two key issues. One file in particular is causing the problem... so reams and reams of c&p isn't so helpful... more helpful is identifying the pattern and working from there... unless you cannot see the pattern... then a dump/link to pastebin is in order. :-) C. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Peter Nikolic said the following on 07/09/2009 11:55 AM:
I have on several occaisions asked what other info is needed / wanted to NO avail so dont hang that one on me not for the want of trying right here's your chance what other info ? clue me in you want reams and reams of C&P dependencies next time i try to update that is what you will have you want specific info tell me what dont just expect me to know what you want ,
There's an axiom that applies to help desk and manual writers, along with many others. Answer questions in the framework of the person receiving the assistance, not in your own framework. I've seen that phrased a number of ways from "don't make assumptions" to "find out the real reason behind the question". We've all heard the story about the help desk call where the power was out. http://www.funny2.com/computer.htm Yes some of them seem silly, but some, like why should you plug in a wireless device, are logical, just in another frame of reference.
And by the way there are a lot of users that wont come on the list because they get no decent replys to questions i have quite a nest of users all Opensuse 11.0 and 11.1 all 64 bit none of them will use the list because no one will tell them what sort of info people want to see they just get sarcastic replys so my point are valid .
Most computer users have real jobs that are not concerned with the innards of the the computer or OS. We're not stupid, but the computer is a tool, one that we have to do basic maintenance on ourselves, but that doesn't make us programmers or professional system administrators. Yes, this is a bit more than the kind of maintenance that you do around the has on on your car, but we can follow instructions. This thread started with Michael Norman saying I cannot resolve the dependency problems that occur whenever I try.. I have looked for howtos and googled around but cannot find the solution. The response that Clayton gave, pointing to the one-click, then led to more people, Michael and myself included, saying that this id not solve the dependency problems. In fact Michel said he had already tried it an met with a cascade of dependency problems. Now at this point the "from the POV of the person asking the question" should have kicked in. It didn't. Clayton talked about vendor changes. That wasn't the problem. I gave a detailed report - lots of context. Sven refered me to the unhelpful 'troubleshooting'. Been there that and it was of no use. Svens further comments seemed to assume that we all have his knowledge of how to set up the repros "correctly". If we did, we wouldn't be asking, but there's no guidance on which and where. Michael raised a good point when he said: Surely the whole point of one click is that it offers you the repos required, Us poor 'Indians' who have other jobs and focus assume you 'Chiefs' take care of things like that. Well, it seems not.
I am sick of getting the more info line then asking what more to get zero response or some sarcastic or snide comment then you wonder why i bite believe me you WOULD do exactly the same if you were in my shoes
I would consider the "it works for me" that so many 'chiefs' are fond of an example of this. As I started out saying and as Peter says ere, you have to look at it from the POV of the person with the problem, not from the POV of someone why has no problems or is an expert. Peter asked for an explicit list, since Michael had pointed out that the one-click didn't do that. And no, Sven, telling us that it worked for you and telling us to do what we've already done and met with the problems that started this thread is *NOT* "helping" us. And telling me to delete a program I want is *NOT* helping me. -- Any man who afflicts the human race with ideas must be prepared to see them misunderstood. --Henry Louis Mencken -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
I would consider the "it works for me" that so many 'chiefs' are fond of an example of this.
Yes and no... sometimes an "it works for me" is helpful.. IF it's followed up with more information/questions. If the reply stops there... it's a useless (but common) reply. C. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Clayton said the following on 07/09/2009 12:48 PM:
I would consider the "it works for me" that so many 'chiefs' are fond of an example of this.
Yes and no... sometimes an "it works for me" is helpful.. IF it's followed up with more information/questions. If the reply stops there... it's a useless (but common) reply.
Indeed. As are ones that say "it works for me" when it was done on a clean, new install. We live with our legacies and all that we already have installed. -- One should guard against preaching to young people success in the customary form as the main aim in life. The most important motive for work in school and in life is pleasure in work, pleasure in its result, and the knowledge of the value of the result to the community. --Albert Einstein -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Am Mittwoch, 8. Juli 2009 21:44:03 schrieb Peter Nikolic:
Well lets have a list of the correct repo's TO set up it is all very well comming out with a comment but when it is empty what use is it where is the list of correct repos that will solve the huge list of dependency hell , Can you produce such a list can you tell us where such a list exists we cant all just magic a list out of the air we are not all miracle workers some of us are mere mortals
So am I and all the others who achieved it without me. There is no magic to it. Sven -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Sven Burmeister said the following on 07/08/2009 02:33 PM:
Am Mittwoch, 8. Juli 2009 19:57:16 schrieb Anton Aylward:
#### YaST2 conflicts list - generated 2009-07-08 13:50:36 ####
nothing provides libgps.so.17 needed by kdebase4-workspace-4.2.95-282.3.i586
libgps is part of the DVD or oss repo which you seem to not have enabled.
That seems so perfectly reasonable to me that I enabled everyting an set them all to priority=99. Lets not go into why they weren't, OK.
Updating is possible, so any conflicts you get are resolveable if you add the correct repos with the correct priorities. This is nothing about chiefs or indians, just about settings up ones repos correctly and the knowledge needed if one wants to use stuff that is not part of the DVD.
Personally I think depreciating some repositories can be useful, but that's beside the point. Now, with everything normalized and enabled I get Problem: kaffeine-0.9+1.0pre1-9.7.i586 requires kdebase4-runtime < 4.2.60, but this requirement cannot be provided uninstallable providers: kdebase4-runtime-4.1.3-4.1.i586[DVD_ISO] kdebase4-runtime-4.1.3-4.2.9.i586[repo-update] kdebase4-runtime-4.1.3-4.1.i586[repo_1] Solution 1: Following actions will be done: keep koffice2-1.9.98.7-58.9.i586 keep koffice2-karbon-1.9.98.7-58.9.i586 keep koffice2-kchart-1.9.98.7-58.9.i586 keep koffice2-kpresenter-1.9.98.7-58.9.i586 keep koffice2-krita-1.9.98.6-53.8.i586 keep koffice2-kspread-1.9.98.7-58.9.i586 keep koffice2-kthesaurus-1.9.98.7-58.9.i586 keep koffice2-kword-1.9.98.7-58.9.i586 Solution 2: deinstallation of kde4-kaffeine-4.2.2.svn951439-6.1.i586 Solution 3: Ignore some dependencies of kaffeine "uninstallable providers" ???? -- Even the Four Horsemen of Kidporn, Dope Dealers, Mafia and Terrorists don't worry me as much as totalitarian governments. It's been a long century, and we've had enough of them. -- Bruce Sterling -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Am Mittwoch, 8. Juli 2009 21:48:50 schrieb Anton Aylward:
That seems so perfectly reasonable to me that I enabled everyting an set them all to priority=99.
Please read: http://en.opensuse.org/KDE/KDE4#Most_Annoying_Bugs.2FTroubleshooting
Problem: kaffeine-0.9+1.0pre1-9.7.i586 requires kdebase4-runtime < 4.2.60, but this requirement cannot be provided uninstallable providers: kdebase4-runtime-4.1.3-4.1.i586[DVD_ISO] kdebase4-runtime-4.1.3-4.2.9.i586[repo-update] kdebase4-runtime-4.1.3-4.1.i586[repo_1] Solution 1: Following actions will be done: keep koffice2-1.9.98.7-58.9.i586 keep koffice2-karbon-1.9.98.7-58.9.i586 keep koffice2-kchart-1.9.98.7-58.9.i586 keep koffice2-kpresenter-1.9.98.7-58.9.i586 keep koffice2-krita-1.9.98.6-53.8.i586 keep koffice2-kspread-1.9.98.7-58.9.i586 keep koffice2-kthesaurus-1.9.98.7-58.9.i586 keep koffice2-kword-1.9.98.7-58.9.i586 Solution 2: deinstallation of kde4-kaffeine-4.2.2.svn951439-6.1.i586 Solution 3: Ignore some dependencies of kaffeine
"uninstallable providers" ????
Yes, you are trying to update kdebase4-runtime but kaffeine needs the old one which would not be available anymore if you updated. So either update kaffeine too or remove it. Sven -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Wednesday 08 July 2009 18:57:16 Anton Aylward wrote:
michael norman said the following on 07/08/2009 12:39 PM:
On Wednesday 08 July 2009 14:36:58 Clayton wrote:
I apologise in advance that this has been covered before but I cannot find the solution. I have afresh installation of 11.1 64 bit withe KDE 4.1.3.
I want to upgrade that to a newer version either 4.2 or 4.3 but I cannot resolve the dependency problems that occur whenever I try.. I have looked for howtos and googled around but cannot find the solution.
Can somebody please point me to a way to do this ?
The easiest is to use the 1-Click install from the website: http://en.opensuse.org/KDE4#Factory_KDE_Project_.28KDE_4.3_RC_1.29 for the latest 4.3 Beta builds (and it's pretty darn good right now despite the Beta/RC label)
or use http://en.opensuse.org/KDE4#KDE_4.2_Project for the more "stable" 4.2 builds.
C.
That is one of the methods I have tried and I always end up with an immense amount of dependency conflicts which never seem resolvable however I try.
Indeed. So do I with that. I've never had "Dependency Hell" before, and this blows me away.
It begins with this, an there are another 20 screenfuls that follow! I've been keeping up to date with a daily "zypper up".
Where's the clue fairy when you need her?
#### YaST2 conflicts list - generated 2009-07-08 13:50:36 ####
nothing provides libgps.so.17 needed by kdebase4-workspace-4.2.95-282.3.i586
[ ] do not install kdebase4-workspace-4.2.95-282.3.i586
nothing provides libgps.so.17 needed by kdebase4-workspace-4.2.95-282.3.i586
[ ] do not install kdebase4-session-4.2.95-40.2.i586
nothing provides libgps.so.17 needed by kdebase4-workspace-4.2.95-282.3.i586
[ ] Following actions will be done: do not install kwin-4.2.95-282.3.i586 deinstallation of kde4-kwin-4.2.4-3.10.i586
nothing provides libGLEW.so.1.5 needed by koffice2-krita-2.0.1-4.3.i586
[ ] Following actions will be done: do not install akregator-4.2.95-137.1.i586 do not install kfind-4.2.95-93.6.i586 do not install kdialog-4.2.95-93.6.i586 do not install kfloppy-4.2.95-67.7.i586 do not install kdf-4.2.95-67.7.i586 do not install konsole-4.2.95-93.6.i586 do not install ksnapshot-4.2.95-103.3.i586 do not install korganizer-4.2.95-137.1.i586 do not install kwrite-4.2.95-93.6.i586 do not install konqueror-4.2.95-93.6.i586 do not install kscd-4.2.95-61.6.i586 do not install okular-4.2.95-103.3.i586 do not install kwalletmanager-4.2.95-67.7.i586 [ ] deinstallation of koffice2-krita-1.9.98.6-53.8.i586
-- Me...a skeptic? I trust you can prove that.
That reflects my experience and Peter's also. Clayton seems to be the lucky one. Something is seriously broken here. I have KDE 4.3 on a 10.3 box here, it installed without any of the dependency stuff and works fine. I shall revert this box to 10.3 as well I think. As a by the way I've used SUSE since 6 something but I've never been able to get either 11.0 or 11.1 to work properly. Mike -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
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