[opensuse] Oh my god, zypper is such a crap!
Dear all, My zypper is very, very, very slow now, I can not take it any more! Why not use a database or something to store the parsed metadata? It parses everytime! -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Thu, Apr 05, 2007 at 11:09:53AM +0800, Magiclouds Magicloud wrote:
My zypper is very, very, very slow now, I can not take it any more! Why not use a database or something to store the parsed metadata? It parses everytime!
On 4/5/07, Magiclouds Magicloud
Dear all, My zypper is very, very, very slow now, I can not take it any more! Why not use a database or something to store the parsed metadata? It parses everytime! -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
why dont you commit a patch, or test the devel versions or open a bug? You are such a crap Marcio --- druid -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Druid wrote:
why dont you commit a patch, or test the devel versions or open a bug?
I wouldn't do it either. I did not ask for zypper. And won't use it. SUSERegister, zypper, rug, ZEN...Sounds like Microsoft to me. If Novell pushes it further more, I'll switch the Distribution. I don't need Novell to decide which repo I use and which not. End of story.
You are such a crap
In Your humble Opinion I presume? Thx Jan -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Saturday 07 April 2007 13:35:20 Jan Tiggy wrote:
Druid wrote:
why dont you commit a patch, or test the devel versions or open a bug?
I wouldn't do it either. I did not ask for zypper. And won't use it. SUSERegister, zypper, rug, ZEN...Sounds like Microsoft to me.
Huh?
If Novell pushes it further more, I'll switch the Distribution. I don't need Novell to decide which repo I use and which not. End of story.
Decide? What are you talking about? -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Anders Johansson schrieb:
What are you talking about?
I might be wrong, but as I told by friend at SUSE the new packet management was introduced in order to eliminate the unofficial repositories. And I didn't digg on that further more, 'coz it sounded plausible to me. Why else would somebody replace a fully working packet management with such a crap as zypper or rug? Btw. at least in 10.1 I could uninstall rug and still could use YOU in Yast2, but now w/o zypper Yast2 won't even start. So now I do my own repos by using rsync and wget and let zypper parse only locally w/o any Internet connection. Thx Jan -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Sat, Apr 07, 2007 at 02:30:30PM +0200, Jan Tiggy wrote:
Anders Johansson schrieb:
What are you talking about?
I might be wrong, but as I told by friend at SUSE the new packet management was introduced in order to eliminate the unofficial repositories.
What strange idea.
And I didn't digg on that further more, 'coz it sounded plausible to me. Why else would somebody replace a fully working packet management with such a crap as zypper or rug? Btw. at least in 10.1 I could uninstall rug and still could use YOU in Yast2, but now w/o zypper Yast2 won't even start. So now I do my own repos by using rsync and wget and let zypper parse only locally w/o any Internet connection.
rpm -e zypper will work and yast will still start? Ciao, Marcus -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Sat, Apr 07, 2007 at 03:02:15PM +0200, Jan Tiggy wrote:
Marcus Meissner schrieb:
rpm -e zypper
will work and yast will still start?
Try this one:
rpm -e libzypp ;-)
It worked on 10.1...
Well likely on 10.2 too, but it will deinstall most of YAST and everything package management related. And the packagemanagement has become better with 10.2, including that there is now zypper. Ciao, Marcus -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Marcus Meissner schrieb: Hi Marcus
Well likely on 10.2 too, but it will deinstall most of YAST and everything package management related.
And in 10.1 it worked w/o uninstalling parts of Yast2. I just forced libzypp on 10.2 to uninstall w/o touching Yast2. After that Yast2 packet manager stopped to work. I don't want to use libzypp what then shall I do? Switch to the crappy smart, maybe to the not maintained apt or just switch the distro?
And the packagemanagement has become better with 10.2, including that there is now zypper.
Sure it has. It's now more stable w in 10.2. But by all means why do you force users to use libzypp and not make them choose whether they want the new or the old packet manager? That's would be fair in my opinion. Thx Jan -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Saturday 07 April 2007 14:30:30 Jan Tiggy wrote:
Anders Johansson schrieb:
What are you talking about?
I might be wrong, but as I told by friend at SUSE the new packet management was introduced in order to eliminate the unofficial repositories.
Some friend. That is exactly backwards. The old system could only handle one type of repositories, the new can handle every type of rpm based repository
And I didn't digg on that further more, 'coz it sounded plausible to me. Why else would somebody replace a fully working packet management with such a crap as zypper or rug? Btw. at least in 10.1 I could uninstall rug and still could use YOU in Yast2, but now w/o zypper Yast2 won't even start.
That is not true -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Anders Johansson wrote:
Some friend. That is exactly backwards. The old system could only handle one type of repositories, the new can handle every type of rpm based repository
I know the official statements.
And I didn't digg on that further more, 'coz it sounded plausible to me. Why else would somebody replace a fully working packet management with such a crap as zypper or rug? Btw. at least in 10.1 I could uninstall rug and still could use YOU in Yast2, but now w/o zypper Yast2 won't even start.
That is not true
Yes it is. Run 'rpm -e libzypp' and then try to access a repo with Yast2. It worked in 10.1. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Saturday 07 April 2007 15:24:39 Jan Tiggy wrote:
Anders Johansson wrote:
Some friend. That is exactly backwards. The old system could only handle one type of repositories, the new can handle every type of rpm based repository
I know the official statements.
They also happen to be true
And I didn't digg on that further more, 'coz it sounded plausible to me. Why else would somebody replace a fully working packet management with such a crap as zypper or rug? Btw. at least in 10.1 I could uninstall rug and still could use YOU in Yast2, but now w/o zypper Yast2 won't even start.
That is not true
Yes it is. Run 'rpm -e libzypp' and then try to access a repo with Yast2. It worked in 10.1.
No it didn't. YaST was based on libzypp in 10.1 too Also, your argument is a little strange. It's a little like "I uninstalled X and now startx won't run anymore. What crap" Yes, YaST uses libzypp as package management backend now. Do you have problems with libzypp? Do you notice things that don't work? So far I haven't seen many bugreports about libzypp not working And please don't try to make silly jokes about this, because rug/zmd don't use libzypp for their updates. I have seen bugreports about those, not about libzypp. Right now, the only thing I see about libzypp is an effort to improve performance -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Anders Johansson schrieb:
No it didn't. YaST was based on libzypp in 10.1 too
Sure it used libzypp too, but not only. And Yes I got here still 10.1 running and that w/o libzypp installed. The Yast's packet management works!!
Also, your argument is a little strange. It's a little like "I uninstalled X and now startx won't run anymore. What crap"
With all due respect, it's nonsense.
Yes, YaST uses libzypp as package management backend now. Do you have problems with libzypp? Do you notice things that don't work? So far I haven't seen many bugreports about libzypp not working.
Yes I have problems with libzyyp. I don't like things forced on me w/o giving me any alternatives!!
And please don't try to make silly jokes about this, because rug/zmd don't use libzypp for their updates.
...anymore! However it did use libzypp in 10.1. Now when couple of users got pissed off by the brain dead 'Ximians', Novel replaced rug with zypper. Well but that's not the point. I don't like libzypp and I don't trust Novell. Believe me or not, all my friends share this Point of View. As by now we still stick to SUSE just out of sentiment to the old times when SUSE was ours (German). Those days we knew what to expect from SUSE-Devs but now not anymore. I will wait for the 10.3 release and then decide whether I switch to another Distro or stick to 'Novell's SUSE' bit longer. Nevertheless, I respect your poit of view, but please respect mine too. I don't want libzypp and it is my right not to. Thx Jan -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Saturday 07 April 2007 16:51:32 Jan Tiggy wrote:
Anders Johansson schrieb:
No it didn't. YaST was based on libzypp in 10.1 too
Sure it used libzypp too, but not only. And Yes I got here still 10.1 running and that w/o libzypp installed. The Yast's packet management works!!
Also, your argument is a little strange. It's a little like "I uninstalled X and now startx won't run anymore. What crap"
With all due respect, it's nonsense.
The argument, yes. The simile, no
Yes, YaST uses libzypp as package management backend now. Do you have problems with libzypp? Do you notice things that don't work? So far I haven't seen many bugreports about libzypp not working.
Yes I have problems with libzyyp. I don't like things forced on me w/o giving me any alternatives!!
Excuse me, but which alternatives did you have before? It was YaST or nothing, wasn't it? So why is it suddenly such a philosophical problem for you? Which alternatives so you have in Debian? Red Hat? Mandrake? Each distribution will settle on one thing and focus on that. For alternatives you have to go to third party developers, and this is true for ALL distributions
And please don't try to make silly jokes about this, because rug/zmd don't use libzypp for their updates.
...anymore! However it did use libzypp in 10.1.
No, it most certainly did not.
Nevertheless, I respect your poit of view, but please respect mine too. I don't want libzypp and it is my right not to.
Absolutely. Just don't pretend it's based on a rational argument -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Jan Tiggy wrote:
Anders Johansson schrieb:
No it didn't. YaST was based on libzypp in 10.1 too Sure it used libzypp too, but not only. And Yes I got here still 10.1 running and that w/o libzypp installed. The Yast's packet management works!!
Hardly. YaST2's package management uses zypp. Period. On 10.2 there are two options to use zypp: 1) either through ZMD (the "ZMD backend") then back to zypp and then to RPM 2) or directly to RPM (the "opensuse backend") The option with the least issues is definitely the latter.
Yes, YaST uses libzypp as package management backend now. Do you have problems with libzypp? Do you notice things that don't work? So far I haven't seen many bugreports about libzypp not working.
Yes I have problems with libzyyp. I don't like things forced on me w/o giving me any alternatives!!
You have lots of alternatives: - - yast->zypp->ZMD (eww) + rug - - yast->zypp (better) + zypper (work in progress) - - smart - - yum - - apt (RPM port) (not biarch capable)
And please don't try to make silly jokes about this, because rug/zmd don't use libzypp for their updates.
...anymore! However it did use libzypp in 10.1. Now when couple of users got pissed off by the brain dead 'Ximians', Novel replaced rug with zypper.
No. Many, many people in the community (including me) have bugged the SUSE engineers again and again to have ZMD removed. In 10.3 the default yast2 package management will be zypp without ZMD instead of zypp with ZMD, at last. ZMD was pushed in by management decision, not by technical superiority.
Well but that's not the point. I don't like libzypp and I don't trust Novell. Believe me or not, all my friends share this Point of View.
Gosh, is it paranoid time again.. ? If you don't like zypp, then just don't use it (except for the installation, where you have to) and stick with smart (or yum or apt or whatever).
As by now we still stick to SUSE just out of sentiment to the old times when SUSE was ours (German). Those days we knew what to expect from
The engineers working on the distribution are still sitting in Nürnberg.
SUSE-Devs but now not anymore. I will wait for the 10.3 release and then decide whether I switch to another Distro or stick to 'Novell's SUSE' bit longer. Nevertheless, I respect your poit of view, but please respect mine too. I don't want libzypp and it is my right not to.
Sure, but why all that noise and not just use smart (or ...).
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Pascal Bleser schrieb:
Sure, but why all that noise and not just use smart (or ...).
I'll go for YUM or smart. For now. Keeping eye how libzypp gonna develop in time. Thx Pascal for your response. You have cleared out few things to me. It's been a pleasure, as always. Thx Jan -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Can you explain or prove any of those points?
Can you demonstrate with an example or test case how the new package
manager "eliminates other repositories"?
"You didnt dig on that further more" is like saying "lets say bullshit
non-stop."
Can you send a log on yats not working after zypper is uninstalled?
Can you talk to a doctor so you can start your drug rehab rigth away?
And for the end: can you just switch distro like you said you were
doing? The <any-linux-distro-here> guys will love to have ya.
Dont send emails during acid hallucinations
And yes, after reading all this shit, you are such a crap, and you
saying you wouldnt contribute with anything is just because you seem
uncapable.
Marcio
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druid
On 4/7/07, Jan Tiggy
Anders Johansson wrote:
Some friend. That is exactly backwards. The old system could only handle one type of repositories, the new can handle every type of rpm based repository
I know the official statements.
And I didn't digg on that further more, 'coz it sounded plausible to me. Why else would somebody replace a fully working packet management with such a crap as zypper or rug? Btw. at least in 10.1 I could uninstall rug and still could use YOU in Yast2, but now w/o zypper Yast2 won't even start.
That is not true
Yes it is. Run 'rpm -e libzypp' and then try to access a repo with Yast2. It worked in 10.1. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
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Magiclouds Magicloud escribió:
It parses everytime!
yes, it is bit slow, however your post does not help, if you want to help, test development versions, and open bug reports of the problems you see with suggested solutions, otherwise shut up. ranting about it with no evidence,patches or constructive critism will not solve the problem. (zypper is actually a solution for a much worse issue.)
Jan Tiggy escribió:
Cristian Rodriguez R. worte:
(zypper is actually a solution for a much worse issue.)
And which one would it be?
Zypper helps you to escape from the Zenworks problem, it is alternative replacement for rug. There is nothing wrong with rug itself (I think rug is a fine piece of software) but it has one major flaw, it uses the ZMD daemon . The zmd deamon is (in short) an unnecesary layer of complexity that causes more harm than good. Arghh.this has been discussed many, many times (it is becoming annoying) and the issue is mostly settled down in 10.3 where Zenworks is no longer in the default installation. Nowdays, instead of discussing about the problems of zenworks, we should spend our time more productively testing new libzypp and zypper versions. Ahh.. and "the plot against unnoficial packages" is just your imagination, there is no such thing in the reality.. what did you smoke to imaginate that ?? (just curious :-P ) About your comments of the lack of alternatives ... how this differs with other distributions ? 1. debian : you need to use APT, that is the supported package manager. 2. Fedora/redhat : YUM, any other thing is unnoficial 3. Ubuntu: APT and GUIs using it. So, with openSUSE, the supported way is zypp "based" tools,currenlty Yast PM GUI, or zypper in the command line. you still can use YUM or smart but that is not the official way.
Cristian Rodriguez R. schrieb:
Ahh.. and "the plot against unnoficial packages" is just your imagination, there is no such thing in the reality.. what did you smoke to imaginate that ?? (just curious :-P )
I think it's called 'black afghan' ;-) But to be serious. Guys I got it now. Sorry for pushing on this topic. I should have done more research before posting. It won't happen again. So plz if you can, then don't stone me (the biblical meaning) for this. Thx in Advance Jan -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Sunday 08 April 2007 11:12, Jan Tiggy wrote:
Cristian Rodriguez R. schrieb:
Ahh.. and "the plot against unnoficial packages" is just your imagination, there is no such thing in the reality.. what did you smoke to imaginate that ?? (just curious :-P )
I think it's called 'black afghan' ;-) But to be serious. Guys I got it now. Sorry for pushing on this topic. I should have done more research before posting. It won't happen again. So plz if you can, then don't stone me (the biblical meaning) for this.
I'd dye the sheepskin red. Why Suse don't take over Novell I've no idea. They could do them a lot of good. Any employees need a challenge to rid ourselves of the microsoft inspired dominance? -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
True that's very true, it's a bit M$ based the whole thing, every time that I meet a Novell sales rep on a show or a presentation he/she knows very little about what the heck their talking about, I.E if you mentioned zypper he/she would be checking to see if something else was open :) it's a shame because SuSE has always been rock solid, now it's rock shaky. Rwgards Per Qvindesland On Sun, 2007-04-08 at 15:31 +0200, Primm wrote:
On Sunday 08 April 2007 11:12, Jan Tiggy wrote:
Cristian Rodriguez R. schrieb:
Ahh.. and "the plot against unnoficial packages" is just your imagination, there is no such thing in the reality.. what did you smoke to imaginate that ?? (just curious :-P )
I think it's called 'black afghan' ;-) But to be serious. Guys I got it now. Sorry for pushing on this topic. I should have done more research before posting. It won't happen again. So plz if you can, then don't stone me (the biblical meaning) for this.
I'd dye the sheepskin red. Why Suse don't take over Novell I've no idea. They could do them a lot of good. Any employees need a challenge to rid ourselves of the microsoft inspired dominance?
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Per Qvindesland wrote:
True that's very true, it's a bit M$ based the whole thing, every time that I meet a Novell sales rep on a show or a presentation he/she knows very little about what the heck their talking about...
Have you ever met a sales rep for any technical product that knew much about it? Half the time when I talk to vendors I end up showing them how to operate their own product. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Sunday 08 April 2007 04:12, Jan Tiggy wrote:
Cristian Rodriguez R. schrieb:
Ahh.. and "the plot against unnoficial packages" is just your imagination, there is no such thing in the reality.. what did you smoke to imaginate that ?? (just curious :-P )
I think it's called 'black afghan' ;-) But to be serious. Guys I got it now. Sorry for pushing on this topic. I should have done more research before posting. It won't happen again. So plz if you can, then don't stone me (the biblical meaning) for this.
Thx in Advance Jan
We never stone anybody, it is obsolete. We flame sinners ;-) -- Regards, Rajko. http://en.opensuse.org/Portal -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 The Sunday 2007-04-08 at 08:51 -0500, Rajko M. wrote:
On Sunday 08 April 2007 04:12, Jan Tiggy wrote:
But to be serious. Guys I got it now. Sorry for pushing on this topic. I should have done more research before posting. It won't happen again. So plz if you can, then don't stone me (the biblical meaning) for this.
Thx in Advance
We never stone anybody, it is obsolete. We flame sinners ;-)
Amen! X'-) (pun intended ;-) ) - -- Cheers, Carlos E. R. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Made with pgp4pine 1.76 iD8DBQFGGP2+tTMYHG2NR9URAvGZAJ43vx8e5jzqPXBoP+ECgGv9v1thVACfQMIP tQE6MTX7mExXOvoeA8xGIrY= =wNOx -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Sunday 08 April 2007 07:35:32 am Carlos E. R. wrote:
The Sunday 2007-04-08 at 08:51 -0500, Rajko M. wrote:
On Sunday 08 April 2007 04:12, Jan Tiggy wrote:
But to be serious. Guys I got it now. Sorry for pushing on this topic. I should have done more research before posting. It won't happen again. So plz if you can, then don't stone me (the biblical meaning) for this.
Thx in Advance
We never stone anybody, it is obsolete. We flame sinners ;-)
Amen! X'-)
I'll bet Jan didn't expect a Spanish Inquisition! -- k -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Kai Ponte wrote:
So plz if you can, then don't stone me (the biblical meaning) for this. We never stone anybody, it is obsolete. We flame sinners ;-) Amen! X'-)
I'll bet Jan didn't expect a Spanish Inquisition!
Don't bet on that. I'm kinda open minded and nobody is perfect....,even not in here. However I'm very convenient I can handle even such a Spanish Inquisition. ;) Thx Jan -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 The Saturday 2007-04-07 at 13:23 +0200, Jan Tiggy wrote:
Cristian Rodriguez R. worte:
(zypper is actually a solution for a much worse issue.)
And which one would it be?
zmd et all. - -- Cheers, Carlos E. R. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Made with pgp4pine 1.76 iD8DBQFGGDeVtTMYHG2NR9URArBHAJ9YPVjyxcIj6M5udaWq9imsnGpufwCgjc9J wiQ6hqBi41FRgdSFLTXBPSg= =VPcH -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
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Pascal Bleser -
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