I've upgraded to KDE 5.79.0 / Plasma 5.21.0

mauro

22 Feb 2021 22 Feb '21

13:52

through our four KDE repos it's even nicer than bfore, htop says cpu usage < 5%, RAM 1,2GB with 5 open programs, on a machine 10+yrs old I always wonder why there are people who use a different DE (among those who do use a DE) and which be their reasons...I couldn't think of anything better, I only miss sometimes the mouse wheel scrolling speed setting, I'm looking forward for it to be re-implemented So, why don't you use KDE? And why do you use (not-KDE)?

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Felix Miata

22 Feb 22 Feb

17:55

mauro composed on 2021-02-22 13:52 (UTC):

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So, why don't you use KDE? And why do you use (not-KDE)?

I use KDE3/TDE, because in KDE >v3 1-Multiple Konsole behaviors/features were negatively changed 2-Ugly lifeless, flat, stick-figure default theme 3-Kicker was replaced with a panel with behaviors I don't like, and no manual hiding button possible on the right end 4-other things I don't remember -- Evolution as taught in public schools, like religion, is based on faith, not on science. Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/

mauro

20:42

On 22/02/21 17:55, Felix Miata wrote:

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mauro composed on 2021-02-22 13:52 (UTC):

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So, why don't you use KDE? And why do you use (not-KDE)?

I use KDE3/TDE, because in KDE >v3

1-Multiple Konsole behaviors/features were negatively changed 2-Ugly lifeless, flat, stick-figure default theme 3-Kicker was replaced with a panel with behaviors I don't like, and no manual hiding button possible on the right end 4-other things I don't remember

That's interesting. I've heard good things about Trinity, but I've not yet felt the need for giving it a try. I do not use the default theme and settings, one has to do some work to adapt it to owns taste, but I find openSUSE's KDE implementation quite elegant. If "kicker" is the main panel, it could be hardly more configurable than that. I love konsole too, I only wish it could remember the open tabs

Stakanov

18:41

In data lunedì 22 febbraio 2021 14:52:18 CET, mauro ha scritto:

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through our four KDE repos it's even nicer than bfore, htop says cpu usage < 5%, RAM 1,2GB with 5 open programs, on a machine 10+yrs old

I always wonder why there are people who use a different DE (among those who do use a DE) and which be their reasons...I couldn't think of anything better, I only miss sometimes the mouse wheel scrolling speed setting, I'm looking forward for it to be re-implemented

So, why don't you use KDE? And why do you use (not-KDE)?

What you have to know with these repositories: from time to time you get beta version upgrades that may well break you desktop / system. So either you do this with btrfs and rollback or you use a strategy to very selectively update these repos (that is no "zypper dup" indistinct but you watch carefully when and what you update. Solo per evitarti casini :-)

mauro

20:43

On 22/02/21 18:41, Stakanov wrote:

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In data lunedì 22 febbraio 2021 14:52:18 CET, mauro ha scritto:

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through our four KDE repos it's even nicer than bfore, htop says cpu usage < 5%, RAM 1,2GB with 5 open programs, on a machine 10+yrs old

I always wonder why there are people who use a different DE (among those who do use a DE) and which be their reasons...I couldn't think of anything better, I only miss sometimes the mouse wheel scrolling speed setting, I'm looking forward for it to be re-implemented

So, why don't you use KDE? And why do you use (not-KDE)?

What you have to know with these repositories: from time to time you get beta version upgrades that may well break you desktop / system. So either you do this with btrfs and rollback or you use a strategy to very selectively update these repos (that is no "zypper dup" indistinct but you watch carefully when and what you update.

Solo per evitarti casini :-)

ya, I know that, it's not the first time I do an upgrade, I'm always prepared to roll back :) Usually I'm fully satisfied with the standard Leap vesion (I think that's the LTS KDE version) but after several months using the same I get bored and start looking at how Manjaro looks like...

Michael Hamilton

23 Feb 23 Feb

04:44

On Tuesday 23 February 2021, mauro wrote:

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through our four KDE repos it's even nicer than bfore, htop says cpu usage < 5%, RAM 1,2GB with 5 open programs, on a machine 10+yrs old

I always wonder why there are people who use a different DE (among those who do use a DE) and which be their reasons...I couldn't think of anything better, I only miss sometimes the mouse wheel scrolling speed setting, I'm looking forward for it to be re-implemented

So, why don't you use KDE? And why do you use (not-KDE)?

I do normally use KDE for routine desktop tasks. My hardware is generally at the low end: AMD FX6300 16GB, Nvidia 1650 Super, all SSD for OS and user storage. I don't use any of the KDE's desktops indexing, but I use dolphin, konsole, etc. I do find I have to login to an alternative for Steam+Proton. In KDE, with compositing off, and not much else running, I'd be lucky to sustain 15 frames per second at 2560x1440 (in IL-2 BOS, a WWII flight sim). If I run the game as a stand alone login or via openbox, I can easily obtain 60 frames a second. So KDE may still be too heavy for some purposes. I think KDE/kwin Wayland is still a work in progress. I don't think Wayland kwin yet supports defining which monitor is the primary monitor for multi-monitor setups. I'm still using X11, so hopefully this will be attended to before Wayland becomes mainstream, or that would certainly be irksome for me. So I'm a committed KDE user, but can see some reasons for looking in other directions. Cheers, Michael

Carlos E.R.

11:34

On 22/02/2021 14.52, mauro wrote:

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through our four KDE repos it's even nicer than bfore, htop says cpu usage < 5%, RAM 1,2GB with 5 open programs, on a machine 10+yrs old

I always wonder why there are people who use a different DE (among those who do use a DE) and which be their reasons...I couldn't think of anything better, I only miss sometimes the mouse wheel scrolling speed setting, I'm looking forward for it to be re-implemented

So, why don't you use KDE? And why do you use (not-KDE)?

Too many features, too much bloat, too many differences, too many complications. I use XFCE. The desktop is not important. I use some KDE apps, though. -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 15.2 x86_64 at Telcontar)

Anton Aylward

14:42

On 2021-02-23 6:34 a.m., Carlos E.R. wrote:

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So, why don't you use KDE? And why do you use (not-KDE)? Too many features, too much bloat, too many differences, too many complications.

I use XFCE. The desktop is not important.

I use some KDE apps, though.

Indeed. I'm using leap 15.1 and frightened by what I see here on reports about not just running 15.2 but the process of upgrading, which seems more fraught than any past upgrade. Scary enough to make me consider changing vendors. The problems I've been having with KDE come from it upgrading to run in 15.2 and leaving 15.1 behind, so yes, I've turned to XFCE. Some things I used to rely on are broken if I try running them here. I've lost all my Basket notes, which is a severe hit. It's going to take me a while to come to understand xfce and customise it and automate it the way I had KDE tuned. -- “Reality is so complex, we must move away from dogma, whether it’s conspiracy theories or free-market,” -- James Glattfelder. http://jth.ch/jbg

Per Jessen

12:10

mauro wrote:

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through our four KDE repos it's even nicer than bfore, htop says cpu usage < 5%, RAM 1,2GB with 5 open programs, on a machine 10+yrs old

I always wonder why there are people who use a different DE (among those who do use a DE) and which be their reasons...I couldn't think of anything better, I only miss sometimes the mouse wheel scrolling speed setting, I'm looking forward for it to be re-implemented

So, why don't you use KDE? And why do you use (not-KDE)?

On minimum hardware, other more frugal DEs perform better. I don't often have the reason, but I have used LXDE and icewm in the past. Otherwise I am also a committed KDE user, the entire office. -- Per Jessen, Zürich (14.1°C)

Patrick Shanahan

20:31

* Per Jessen [02-23-21 13:14]:

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mauro wrote:

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through our four KDE repos it's even nicer than bfore, htop says cpu usage < 5%, RAM 1,2GB with 5 open programs, on a machine 10+yrs old

I always wonder why there are people who use a different DE (among those who do use a DE) and which be their reasons...I couldn't think of anything better, I only miss sometimes the mouse wheel scrolling speed setting, I'm looking forward for it to be re-implemented

So, why don't you use KDE? And why do you use (not-KDE)?

On minimum hardware, other more frugal DEs perform better. I don't often have the reason, but I have used LXDE and icewm in the past.

Otherwise I am also a committed KDE user, the entire office.

I read a study sometime in the last six months that commented KDE was actually quite frugal with system resources, even more so than ice and xfce. but it does seem hard to believe. fwiw: I run KDE/Plasma w/o swap for about 10 years. -- (paka)Patrick Shanahan Plainfield, Indiana, USA @ptilopteri http://en.opensuse.org openSUSE Community Member facebook/ptilopteri Photos: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/piwigo paka @ IRCnet freenode

Felix Miata

23:45

New subject: Plasma vs. XFCE (was: I've upgraded to KDE...)

Patrick Shanahan composed on 2021-02-23 15:31 (UTC-0500):

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* Per Jessen [02-23-21 13:14]:

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On minimum hardware, other more frugal DEs perform better. I don't often have the reason, but I have used LXDE and icewm in the past.

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Otherwise I am also a committed KDE user, the entire office.

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I read a study sometime in the last six months that commented KDE was actually quite frugal with system resources, even more so than ice and xfce. but it does seem hard to believe.

Maybe you saw this XFCE vs Plasma comparison: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RrvJOXypAbk -- Evolution as taught in public schools, like religion, is based on faith, not on science. Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/

J Leslie Turriff

24 Feb 24 Feb

06:13

On 2021-02-23 14:31:14 Patrick Shanahan wrote:

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|* Per Jessen [02-23-21 13:14]: |> mauro wrote: |> > through our four KDE repos |> > it's even nicer than bfore, |> > htop says cpu usage < 5%, RAM 1,2GB with 5 open programs, on a machine |> > 10+yrs old |> > |> > I always wonder why there are people who use a different DE (among |> > those who do use a DE) and which be their reasons...I couldn't think |> > of anything better, I only miss sometimes the mouse wheel scrolling |> > speed setting, I'm looking forward for it to be re-implemented |> > |> > So, why don't you use KDE? And why do you use (not-KDE)? |> |> On minimum hardware, other more frugal DEs perform better. I don't |> often have the reason, but I have used LXDE and icewm in the past. |> |> Otherwise I am also a committed KDE user, the entire office. | |I read a study sometime in the last six months that commented KDE was |actually quite frugal with system resources, even more so than ice and |xfce. but it does seem hard to believe. | |fwiw: I run KDE/Plasma w/o swap for about 10 years.

Maybe that study was looking at KDE3. Leslie -- openSUSE Leap 15.2 x86_64

Michael Hamilton

06:58

On Wednesday 24 February 2021, J Leslie Turriff wrote:

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On 2021-02-23 14:31:14 Patrick Shanahan wrote:

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|* Per Jessen [02-23-21 13:14]: |> mauro wrote: |> > through our four KDE repos |> > it's even nicer than bfore, |> > htop says cpu usage < 5%, RAM 1,2GB with 5 open programs, on a machine |> > 10+yrs old |> > |> > I always wonder why there are people who use a different DE (among |> > those who do use a DE) and which be their reasons...I couldn't think |> > of anything better, I only miss sometimes the mouse wheel scrolling |> > speed setting, I'm looking forward for it to be re-implemented |> > |> > So, why don't you use KDE? And why do you use (not-KDE)? |> |> On minimum hardware, other more frugal DEs perform better. I don't |> often have the reason, but I have used LXDE and icewm in the past. |> |> Otherwise I am also a committed KDE user, the entire office. | |I read a study sometime in the last six months that commented KDE was |actually quite frugal with system resources, even more so than ice and |xfce. but it does seem hard to believe. | |fwiw: I run KDE/Plasma w/o swap for about 10 years.

Maybe that study was looking at KDE3.

Leslie -- openSUSE Leap 15.2 x86_64

I remember seeing an article by Jason Evangelho at forbs.com which was focused on the latest KDE Plasma: https://www.forbes.com/sites/jasonevangelho/2019/10/23/bold-prediction-kde-w... The article concentrated on RAM usage, so it's really only one aspect of "frugal". I don't think it looked at CPU consumption, number of active threads/process, GPU usage, disk consumed by the install, response time, or energy consumption. Cheers, Michael

Patrick Shanahan

18:00

* J Leslie Turriff [02-24-21 01:17]:

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On 2021-02-23 14:31:14 Patrick Shanahan wrote:

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|* Per Jessen [02-23-21 13:14]: |> mauro wrote: |> > through our four KDE repos |> > it's even nicer than bfore, |> > htop says cpu usage < 5%, RAM 1,2GB with 5 open programs, on a machine |> > 10+yrs old |> > |> > I always wonder why there are people who use a different DE (among |> > those who do use a DE) and which be their reasons...I couldn't think |> > of anything better, I only miss sometimes the mouse wheel scrolling |> > speed setting, I'm looking forward for it to be re-implemented |> > |> > So, why don't you use KDE? And why do you use (not-KDE)? |> |> On minimum hardware, other more frugal DEs perform better. I don't |> often have the reason, but I have used LXDE and icewm in the past. |> |> Otherwise I am also a committed KDE user, the entire office. | |I read a study sometime in the last six months that commented KDE was |actually quite frugal with system resources, even more so than ice and |xfce. but it does seem hard to believe. | |fwiw: I run KDE/Plasma w/o swap for about 10 years.

Maybe that study was looking at KDE3.

no -- (paka)Patrick Shanahan Plainfield, Indiana, USA @ptilopteri http://en.opensuse.org openSUSE Community Member facebook/ptilopteri Photos: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/piwigo paka @ IRCnet freenode

Per Jessen

07:40

Patrick Shanahan wrote:

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* Per Jessen [02-23-21 13:14]:

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mauro wrote:

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through our four KDE repos it's even nicer than bfore, htop says cpu usage < 5%, RAM 1,2GB with 5 open programs, on a machine 10+yrs old

I always wonder why there are people who use a different DE (among those who do use a DE) and which be their reasons...I couldn't think of anything better, I only miss sometimes the mouse wheel scrolling speed setting, I'm looking forward for it to be re-implemented

So, why don't you use KDE? And why do you use (not-KDE)?

On minimum hardware, other more frugal DEs perform better. I don't often have the reason, but I have used LXDE and icewm in the past.

Otherwise I am also a committed KDE user, the entire office.

I read a study sometime in the last six months that commented KDE was actually quite frugal with system resources, even more so than ice and xfce. but it does seem hard to believe.

Downstairs we have an old office PC - dual-core, 2Gb RAM, integrated graphics - it's only being used as a console. That one is a candidate for a more lightweight DE, but it's also sort of being used a test platform for Tumbleweed. Another place I used LXDE not long ago - Raspberry Pi 3B+. IIRC KDE was not really usable. 'Frugal' may not have been the right word - what I want is speed, I don't want to wait when I'm unlocking the screen or swapping from window to window. -- Per Jessen, Zürich (6.7°C) http://www.cloudsuisse.com/ - your owncloud, hosted in Switzerland.

David C. Rankin

19:33

On 2/22/21 7:52 AM, mauro wrote:

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through our four KDE repos it's even nicer than bfore, htop says cpu usage < 5%, RAM 1,2GB with 5 open programs, on a machine 10+yrs old

I always wonder why there are people who use a different DE (among those who do use a DE) and which be their reasons...I couldn't think of anything better, I only miss sometimes the mouse wheel scrolling speed setting, I'm looking forward for it to be re-implemented

So, why don't you use KDE? And why do you use (not-KDE)?

Ran 5.7.9 when it was first committed on Github months ago. Could have booted my current 15.0/KDE3 box from Power-Off to full Desktop 5 times in the time it took for Plasma to go from login to full desktop. KDE3 loads in 286K, Plasma many times that. Only have to make notes to self or kde3 list on what I would like to fix, even with 5.7.9 many of the 100+ bugs written against its early versions still are not fixed. Second choice for desktop - Fluxbox. Dead bang simple. Fully capable Linux desktop. Much easier config that icewm, it is a "Boxtop" (of blackbox origin so it share with blackbox/openbox, etc..) Minuscule memory requirement. -- David C. Rankin, J.D.,P.E.

David C. Rankin

21:57

On 2/24/21 1:33 PM, David C. Rankin wrote:

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On 2/22/21 7:52 AM, mauro wrote:

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through our four KDE repos it's even nicer than bfore, htop says cpu usage < 5%, RAM 1,2GB with 5 open programs, on a machine 10+yrs old

I always wonder why there are people who use a different DE (among those who do use a DE) and which be their reasons...I couldn't think of anything better, I only miss sometimes the mouse wheel scrolling speed setting, I'm looking forward for it to be re-implemented

So, why don't you use KDE? And why do you use (not-KDE)?

Ran 5.7.9 when it was first committed on Github months ago. Could have booted my current 15.0/KDE3 box from Power-Off to full Desktop 5 times in the time it took for Plasma to go from login to full desktop. KDE3 loads in 286K, Plasma many times that. Only have to make notes to self or kde3 list on what I would like to fix, even with 5.7.9 many of the 100+ bugs written against its early versions still are not fixed.

Second choice for desktop - Fluxbox. Dead bang simple. Fully capable Linux desktop. Much easier config that icewm, it is a "Boxtop" (of blackbox origin so it share with blackbox/openbox, etc..) Minuscule memory requirement.

If the row for your desktop at: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_X_window_managers you are missing out :) -- David C. Rankin, J.D.,P.E.

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