On Fri, 1 Nov 2002 12:42:47 -0600 "Chris Geske" wrote:

I'm willing to bet she'll accept the first agreement. I think there's some kind of deal between US and microsoft going on because of the terrorist attacks. Some kind of security agreement or backdoor policy. Otherwise, why wouldn't she accept the revised plan, microsoft has already shown that the first agreement has done nothing to cure the problems.

Not to forget the "Wall Street" pressure on the government over Microsoft, alot of pension fund money is invested in that crap stock, and it has to be "artificially propped up" or a whole lot of school teachers will get screwed. -- use Perl; #powerful programmable prestidigitation

We are not all "dudes" -- there are thousands of "Linux-chix" out here.. try www.linuxchix.org *smile* And we run the better distro too -- SuSE ciao Kat On Mon, 2002-11-04 at 02:27, Silviu Marin-Caea wrote:

zentara wrote:

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Not to forget the "Wall Street" pressure on the government over Microsoft, alot of pension fund money is invested in that crap stock, and it has to be "artificially propped up" or a whole lot of school teachers will get screwed.

That's why Linux is unamerican and anticapitalist in M$'s vision?

Another stinker from the US.

Dudes, you have troubles. It's pretty sad.

Thanks for the info. I have to show this to my wife whom I am trying to convince to try Linux. Got any suggestions for her for the best Office program on the Linux side to help her escape MS Office?

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better than Star Office and others that have been mentioned from time to time in this group? does this mean that I have to get 8.1? :-)

OpenOffice.org is the free suite that StarOffice 6 is based upon, so yes, IMHO it's better morally, but also it's more up to date than SO. You can get it from www.openoffice.org as well, but I reckon it's a good reason to get 8.1 (even if you do an FTP install) cos then it's more tightly integrated with the default setup, plus you get a SuSEconfig module for it :) -- James Ogley, Unix Systems Administrator, Pinnacle Insurance Plc james.ogley@pinnacle.co.uk www.pinnacle.co.uk +44 (0) 20 8731 3619 Using Free Software since 1994, running GNU/Linux (SuSE 8.1) Updated GNOME RPMs for SuSE Linux: www.usr-local-bin.org ********************************************************************** CONFIDENTIALITY.This e-mail and any attachments are confidential and may also be privileged. If you are not the named recipient, please notify the sender immediately and do not disclose the contents to another person, use it for any purpose, or store or copy the information in any medium. Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender, except where the sender specifically states them to be the views of Pinnacle Insurance plc. If you have received this email in error please immediately notify the Pinnacle Helpdesk on +44 (0) 20 8207 9555. This footnote also confirms that this email message has been swept by MIMEsweeper for the presence of computer viruses. www.mimesweeper.com **********************************************************************

Damon, Just download it from openoffice.org. Much as I like SuSE I'm not going to buy 8.1 pro just for 1 app. Everything else works just as I need on 8.0. Damian -- Damian O'Hara using: SuSE Linux 8.0 1:20pm up 34 days, 5:05, 17 users, load average: 0.18, 0.12, 0.10

On 11/10/2002 10:39 AM, Damon Register wrote:

Did anyone else run into this with OpenOffice and Suse 8.0? You say it worked fine for you but does this mean that you didn't have that problem or does it just mean that you got past that and didn't have any more problems?

I don't know about the original poster, but I did the same as you, with the same results (no java found). I have been using it without java, and have found it slow but overall very good, a big improvement over SO 5.2. HTH. -- Joe & Sesil Morris New Tribes Mission Email Address: Joe_Morris@ntm.org Web Address: http://www.mydestiny.net/~joe_morris Registered Linux user 231871 God said, I AM that I AM. I say, by the grace God, I am what I am.

Damon Register wrote:

I hope I don't get flamed for hijacking.

Damian Ohara wrote:

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Damon,

Just download it from openoffice.org. Much as I like SuSE I'm not going to buy 8.1 pro just for 1 app. Everything else works just as I need on 8.0.

So I finally decided to give it a try. I just finished downloading. The installation instructions said there are two phases and I completed phase 1 with no trouble. I tried to do phase 2 in a user account but it says there is no Java runtime which seems strange to me. I typed the command which java and I get /usr/lib/java/bin/java

I was able to get OpenOffice to recognize the java that is on my system. I don't remember if I loaded another version of java or not. The installation is looking for the jre (Java Runtime Environment). On my system it is located at: /usr/lib/SunJava2-1.3.1/jre The Open Office install then showed this as rcognized and then continued and completed the installation. I have not had any other problems. You might do a `locate jre |grep java` and see what you get. D.C. p.s. I am running SuSE 8.0 and OpenOffice 1.0.1

In a previous message, James Ogley wrote:

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Got any suggestions for her for the best Office program on the Linux side to help her escape MS Office?

OpenOffice.org - it's included in 8.1

Or buy Crossover Office from Codeweavers and run MS Office :-) It costs money, but is very good. I use Word professionally and have very few problems. They will give you a time-limited demo version if you ask. John -- John Pettigrew Headstrong Games john@headstrong-games.co.uk Fun : Strategy : Price http://www.headstrong-games.co.uk/ Board games that won't break the bank Fields of Valour: 2 Norse clans battle on one of 3 different boards

On Mon, 2002-11-04 at 12:06, kathee wrote:

Hi,

Although some people complain about it at times, I am still a big OpenOffice user. In fact, strange as it may be, on "The Screensavers" last week (TechTV) they clearly stated, "OpenOffice is the way to go -- even on Windoze", and they are a big "windows"-based show for the most part. Just stay up to date with it.

I personally and highly recommend using red-carpet to keep things up to date, especially since there is an OpenOffice channel.. I am sorry for the SuSE folks, but I still find that Ximian and red-carpet stays more up to date than you do :( In fact, I use red-carpet to keep my "wine" up to date also.

ciao Kat

Probably no need to be sorry, red-carpet keeps the load off SuSE I think :). And it is fairly well integrated. Only issue is when upgrading to 8.1 as it doesn't work anymore...Hopefully Ximian 2 will be here shortly. Matt

begin Jeric's quote: | On Fri, 2002-11-01 at 12:42, Chris Geske wrote: | | I think there's some | | > kind of deal between US and microsoft going on because of the | > terrorist attacks. Some kind of security agreement or backdoor | > policy. Otherwise, | | Such a deal has been in effect a LONG time before the 2001 attacks | ;^) and what, exactly, made you privy to this insight? -- dep http://www.linuxandmain.com -- outside the box, barely within the envelope, and no animated paperclip anywhere.

begin Curtis Rey's quote: | With a 90+% share of the desktop market and a substantial amount of | the NASDAQ riding on M$ stock, at least to a measurable amount, | what is the implications of M$ stock taking a major dive? | Especialy in the current market. I find it funny that a tacit turn | around regarding what action to take against M$ happened after 9/11 | and the precipitous drop in the markets. Wall Street may turn to | Linux and Open Source to run their systems but the rely on M$ to | run the tech sector, at least to a fair degree. actually, the judge in ordering the two sides to settle, an order she made on, i believe, september 29, 2001, did in fact cite national security, which had everybody scratching their heads because "microsoft" and "security" are not commonly used in the same sentence. i wrote about it at the time: http://www.linuxplanet.com/linuxplanet/opinions/3952/1/ [quote] At the end of September, Judge Kollar-Kotelly ordered the government and Microsoft to arrive at a settlement in this, the penalty phase of the litigation. She implied that doing so would somehow make it easier to defeat the Al Qaeda terrorists, or words to that effect. Microsoft's negotiators and people from the Department of Justice, who bore the title of "negotiator" even if their actions scarcely reflected it, sat in a room where, apparently, the DoJ people were kept busy acceding to everything Microsoft's negotiators asked for; the reason it took a few days, one might suppose, was so Microsoft's people could phone Redmond to get them to think up additional demands to which the government would instantly agree. According to a report in The Wall Street Journal, Microsoft cowed the DoJ into going along with all this by freely profaning the phrase "in the national interest," saying that Microsoft's demands met that specification. The result is the proposed settlement, which would grant Microsoft its operating system monopoly -- indeed, contains wording such that it would no longer be illegal for Microsoft to maintain that monopoly -- while saying that if Microsoft wants to, it can make it easier for people to write Windows applications, but it's by no means required to do so. In short, the settlement is a travesty, an ill-advised embarrassment that flings down and dances upon the law and upon all but the most twisted notion of justice. [end of quote] -- dep http://www.linuxandmain.com -- outside the box, barely within the envelope, and no animated paperclip anywhere.