Bottom line on this stitch-up - Microsoft stock holds should start to worry, and perhaps think about getting out. Have you seen the amount of activity at a government level in the rest of the world to move away from Microsoft - and not just to Linux, to ANY other option. I don't see any reason why I should renew my MSDN subscription this year, I't rather spend the money (and time) on Linux, and the new licencing structure from Microsoft and this deal just reenforces that thought. Heck, my systems use lots of machines, but don't need ANYTHING but the kernel, so why should I have to pay for full XP licences. Windows CE is just as expensive as an alternative, so I am glad That I have the Linux replacement on the bench <g> -- Lester Caine ----------------------------- L.S.Caine Electronic Services