On Fri, Oct 28, 2011 at 9:09 PM, Robert Schweikert wrote:

Welcome to openSUSE.

Thanks.

do not ask to ask. Rather, just send your question (with reasonably appropriate subject line) to the list.

ok. Well, I just wanted to ask if the new release period could be increased (just a suggestion) from 8 months to something like a year, so that we (not from technical side) can all have a good grasp at the OS/distro, can know something about it before any new thing come into picture... However, it's just a question of 'if' this is a possibility or not...! -- Thx. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

On Fri, 2011-10-28 at 18:50 +0200, Togan Muftuoglu wrote:

On 10/28/2011 06:42 PM, Linux Tyro wrote:

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On Fri, Oct 28, 2011 at 9:09 PM, Robert Schweikert wrote: ok. Well, I just wanted to ask if the new release period could be increased (just a suggestion) from 8 months to something like a year, so that we (not from technical side) can all have a good grasp at the OS/distro, can know something about it before any new thing come into picture... However, it's just a question of 'if' this is a possibility or not...! Upgrade is not obligatory,

+1 I'm probably considered a very technical user - and I don't upgrade right away [I have work to do!] Of course you want to upgrade eventually. But waiting a few months is certainly reasonable. Previous versions will continue to receive important updates for awhile.

I am running versions back to 11.1 on a daily basis and some of the are web and mail servers. So you do not have to update to the new version every 8 months or so

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On 10/28/2011 6:01 PM, Brian K. White wrote:

On 10/28/2011 12:50 PM, Togan Muftuoglu wrote:

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On 10/28/2011 06:42 PM, Linux Tyro wrote:

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On Fri, Oct 28, 2011 at 9:09 PM, Robert Schweikert wrote:

ok. Well, I just wanted to ask if the new release period could be increased (just a suggestion) from 8 months to something like a year, so that we (not from technical side) can all have a good grasp at the OS/distro, can know something about it before any new thing come into picture... However, it's just a question of 'if' this is a possibility or not...!

Upgrade is not obligatory, I am running versions back to 11.1 on a daily basis and some of the are web and mail servers. So you do not have to update to the new version every 8 months or so

life is endless possibilities and then there is the freedom of choosing

Togan

Then again I just spent a few days fighting with some hackers script that somehow manages to get _ROOT ACCESS_ to a few of my opensuse 11.2 machines, du apparently to a weakness in openssh.

I had done everything but shut off sshd entirely, sinec i need it myself, but I had disallowed root access, I had deleted all ssh keys and changed the password, and still they got in. Lucky for me it was just a script that only wanted to do one thing, execute perl and suck down a perl script to generate spam. It was running perl, as root, it could have done _anything_.

I captured forensic data by replacing the perl binary with a shell script

I'm sorry I just realized I kind of skipped a little background there, I did know from info in /proc that the hacker process was running perl, and that it was launched from a shell that was provided by sshd. Further investigation and eventual solution confirmed that multiple ways. -- bkw -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

On 10/29/2011 12:01 AM, Brian K. White wrote:

On 10/28/2011 12:50 PM, Togan Muftuoglu wrote:

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Upgrade is not obligatory, I am running versions back to 11.1 on a daily basis and some of the are web and mail servers. So you do not have to update to the new version every 8 months or so

life is endless possibilities and then there is the freedom of choosing

I had done everything but shut off sshd entirely, sinec i need it myself, but I had disallowed root access, I had deleted all ssh keys and changed the password, and still they got in. Lucky for me it was just a script that only wanted to do one thing, execute perl and suck down a perl script to generate spam. It was running perl, as root, it could have done _anything_.

Lockdown all first and then let it is my approach. None of my servers have root enabled for sssh and only allowed groups can log in

You can only do that for just so long after the distro goes off the back end of the support time frame.

True and they eventually get upgraded but not immediately. My experince with SuSE and openSUSE has been wait like 6 months after a release so it polishes itself and start the upgrade based on mission of the server

Luckily this was a 11.2 box, and luckily in this case I already knew from prior testing on other boxes that it would be ok to just change all the zypper repos from 11.2 repos (I maintain my own mirrors indefinitely after they disappear from suse's mirrors) to 11.3 repos, and add the current openssh devel repo from OBS, and then update openssh from that, and it pulled in a few other updates from the 11.3 repos and luckily doesn't screw up the rest of the system.

Same except the mirroring part I use OBS and maintain the software as necessary

If a box is connected to the internet, you can't actually afford to just let it get old.

That is true and hence there is evergreen as geriatrics service ;) Togan -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

On 10/29/2011 09:33 AM, jdd wrote:

Le 29/10/2011 09:09, Togan Muftuoglu a écrit :

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True and they eventually get upgraded but not immediately. My experince with SuSE and openSUSE has been wait like 6 months after a release so it polishes itself and start the upgrade based on mission of the server

since 11.4 (as far as I remember), the upgrade process is supported, and really upgrading from 11.4 to 12.1 should be pretty easy

In that case that would be interesting as first I have to upgrade my machines from an unsupported version to 11.4 so I can enjoy the supporting upgrade from there on. Supported or not supported is not the issue for me. Stability is the key and in main central parts. IIRC almost every version one of the first updates is aaa_base which installs several important configuration files and SuSEconfig. So my position is to use evergreen for my old servers and slowly move them up the new steps till one they are supported. Togan -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

On Sat, Oct 29, 2011 at 10:20 PM, Carlos E. R. wrote:

Upgrade has been supported since as far as I remember and more. I tried it on version 6, and I have been using it on all versions thereafter.

What is new is the live upgrade (zypper dup), but it has a few years already.

thanks for the info. I will get back to you on this later (when appropriate time comes). Please help me decide the follows: "However, I have downloaded the KDE 11.4 openSUSE (CD only) but is it recommended to download and install only with DVD or it would also go the same thing??" -- Thx. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

Le 29/10/2011 18:54, Linux Tyro a écrit :

That was to meant that as a beginner I really don't understand those all things, but after getting my legs wet (even a little) I can comment for that. Thx.

this mean you can use any (recent) openSUSE and be pretty sure you can upgrade to the new one when it come with minimum fuss jdd -- http://www.dodin.net http://www.youtube.com/user/jdddodinorg http://jdd.blip.tv/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Saturday, 2011-10-29 at 22:23 +0530, Linux Tyro wrote:

Please help me decide the follows:

"However, I have downloaded the KDE 11.4 openSUSE (CD only) but is it recommended to download and install only with DVD or it would also go the same thing??"

You can install from any of the sources available, the end result will be practically the same. The CD you can try first, as a live, and the initial download is less. With the DVD you can install several computers and you get more packages initially, without using the network. - -- Cheers, Carlos E. R. (from 11.4 x86_64 "Celadon" at Telcontar) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.16 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAk6sNaYACgkQtTMYHG2NR9U4fwCfan9x67PY/RFdKWR/lRhIikXQ G34An0/QwNIQf1ioz+s6ldKI4Nsz2k+G =Pgsz -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

Carlos E. R. wrote:

You can install from any of the sources available, the end result will be practically the same.

The CD you can try first, as a live, and the initial download is less. With the DVD you can install several computers and you get more packages initially, without using the network.

One thing I like to do, is keep the ISO file on that computer and use it as a repository. Of course, if you're running a network with several computers, you can keep it on just one. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

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One thing I like to do, is keep the ISO file on that computer and use it as a repository. Of course, if you're running a network with several computers, you can keep it on just one. .iso file could be placed as a repository, means that in off line mode, we can install the software from it? Here you are saying for .iso DVD in which many softwares are there?? (which could be placed as a repositories) on the desktop, even for a single PC....?

Yes, you can use an ISO file as a repository. Simply go to YaST / Software Repositories / Add / Local ISO Image and specify the path to the ISO image. That way, you can install all packages contained in the ISO image without having a connection to the Internet. Keep in mind that packages on an ISO image quickly become outdated as new bugs are fixed and new security patches are released; you will obviously need to retrieve updates from the Internet somehow. The Intel E5200 (Pentium Dual Core) is indeed a 64bit CPU. In general, if you're not sure, go ahead and try the 64bit installation dvd - if your system is 32bit, you will get an error message early on, telling you that you need the other dvd. (In fact, I think all multi-core Intel/AMD processors out there are 64bit....?) Good luck! Haro -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

On 2011/10/30 15:31 (GMT+0530) Linux Tyro composed: [...] I looked back through all your posts and found no discussion about the amount of your installed RAM. AIUI, 64 bit has some overhead penalty compared to 32 that isn't worth the price on lower RAM systems, probably 2G or less. It is only clear that most users of systems with more than 3.5G of RAM should use 64 bit and that most users of 1G or less of RAM should use 32 bit. It is less than clear which to choose if your RAM size is between 1G and 3.5G. I only have one system with more than 3.5G, only a few with 2G, and most have 1G or less. I run 32 bit on all of them. If you've already downloaded the 32 bit and have only 2G or less RAM, I'd skip downloading 64 bit. -- "The wise are known for their understanding, and pleasant words are persuasive." Proverbs 16:21 (New Living Translation) Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

On Sun, Oct 30, 2011 at 5:57 PM, Linux Tyro wrote:

On Sun, Oct 30, 2011 at 4:19 PM, Felix Miata wrote:

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I looked back through all your posts and found no discussion about the amount of your installed RAM. AIUI, 64 bit has some overhead penalty compared to 32 that isn't worth the price on lower RAM systems, probably 2G or less. It is only clear that most users of systems with more than 3.5G of RAM should use 64 bit and that most users of 1G or less of RAM should use 32 bit. It is less than clear which to choose if your RAM size is between 1G and 3.5G. I only have one system with more than 3.5G, only a few with 2G, and most have 1G or less. I run 32 bit on all of them. If you've already downloaded the 32 bit and have only 2G or less RAM, I'd skip downloading 64 bit.

How do I check the ram size, please give me the command.

Currently on Ubunt LTS (10.04/Lucid Lynx)

-- Thx.

Came to know that: My ram is 2 GB, now should I really go for 64 bit or not? (There is no compelling reason, just a home PC). But even if I can have any positive, I would go and now finalized to go for that DVD. -- Thx. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

On Sun, Oct 30, 2011 at 6:50 PM, Carlos E. R. wrote:

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Came to know that: My ram is 2 GB, now should I really go for 64 bit or not?

IMO, no.

Because there would not be any significant advantage? But let if I wrong in the following: Even if I am not getting advantage, but at least I am using the thing for which it is made, 64 bit, however, for a single PC, nothing useful. Is it exactly like this or more than this? Processor is http://ark.intel.com/products/37212/Intel-Pentium-Processor-E5200-(2M-Cache-...) supporting 64 bit! Please also let me know about possible disadvantage(s), if any. -- Thx. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

On Sun, Oct 30, 2011 at 7:25 PM, James Knott wrote:

Any reason why you don't get more memory?  It's cheap these days.

RAM memory? Please let me know explicitly, if 32 bit is okay? Like many here suggested and may be they are correct, like 64 bit better for 4 GB of RAM! -- Thx. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

Then finally i have started the download of 32 bit dvd of 11.4 opensuse. -- Thx. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

On Sun, Oct 30, 2011 at 8:46 PM, Felix Miata wrote:

Sounds like you may actually be a candidate for not downloading any DVD. Instead, download only the software that will actually be installed by doing a HTTP installation, which you begin by downloading a small "net" CD iso to boot from: http://en.opensuse.org/SDB:Network_installation

An extra advantage of this process is that current versions will be installed instead of needing to update after completing installation of only original package versions. Overall download time is smaller as long as you don't expect to be installing on additional machines or more than one time.

Sounds to you correct, but I don't know how to use this process. As you say, I should not go for dvd download? Rather net install is a better option? I would have to fill all those details like nameserver, ip address (router's), etc..etc..so that it automatically downloads from the INTERNET the required packages ? Yes, you are correct, I am new and never did like this partitioning and all...alone... that too in Linux! For me its very good if I do it all.... -- Thx. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Sunday, 2011-10-30 at 19:01 +0530, Linux Tyro wrote:

On Sun, Oct 30, 2011 at 6:50 PM, Carlos E. R. <> wrote:

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Came to know that: My ram is 2 GB, now should I really go for 64 bit or not?

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IMO, no.

Because there would not be any significant advantage?

Right.

But let if I wrong in the following:

Even if I am not getting advantage, but at least I am using the thing for which it is made, 64 bit, however, for a single PC, nothing useful. Is it exactly like this or more than this? Processor is http://ark.intel.com/products/37212/Intel-Pentium-Processor-E5200-(2M-Cache-...) supporting 64 bit!

Please also let me know about possible disadvantage(s), if any.

A 64 bits procesor is not faster in 64 bit mode than in 32 bits mode - it just "can" move more data simultaneously. It is like having a train moving with one wagon or two, at the same speed. But you do not have that much ram. I have seen programs compiled for 32 bit and 64 bit, and it used double the ram, and running slower: View this thread: http://forums.opensuse.org/showthread.php?t=457094 - -- Cheers, Carlos E. R. (from 11.4 x86_64 "Celadon" at Telcontar) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.16 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAk6tWsAACgkQtTMYHG2NR9WgYgCfWPzopvIx9fpMFpqwpJXX+d5G hZoAoIBLWgIwu23eqJFJqsoNuz0XBJJU =hgpY -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

On Sun, Oct 30, 2011 at 8:27 PM, Anton Aylward wrote:

Its arguable that in many situations a 64-but machine with a 64-bit bus will run faster in 32-but mode for a variety of reasons, not least of all being that the programs are smaller :-) :-) :-)

Whatever be the reason, both are good, if it really gives me problem(s), I would go for the other one as one suggested here. -- Thx. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

Carlos E. R. said the following on 10/30/2011 09:20 AM:

On Sunday, 2011-10-30 at 18:17 +0530, Linux Tyro wrote:

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Came to know that: My ram is 2 GB, now should I really go for 64 bit or not?

IMO, no.

+1 I'm seeing 64-bit machines being shipped with 4G as baseline and most people buying them going for an upgrade to 6G or 8G. Considering the cost on the street of 4G DDR3 (nominally $25) I would think restricting yourself to less -- unless you have an old motherboard or a laptop that won't permit expansion) is a false economy. But then "it all depends". I run a file server in 0.5G, but its headless. Yes, running X takes a lot. I also run a desktop with a modern, powerful GPU, and another desktop with an older one. The older one demand more of the CPU and of course system memory. Considering the cost of GPUs ... And then 64-bit means 64-bit pointers, 64-bit integers only count up to a small number. Is there a 16-bit *NIX? Oh, right, the PDP-11! We supported 40 users on 4M or memory and a 10G drive with an 11/45 .... but not running X. -- Time flies like the wind. Fruit flies like pears. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

Linux Tyro wrote:

On Sat, Oct 29, 2011 at 11:49 PM, James Knott wrote:

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One thing I like to do, is keep the ISO file on that computer and use it as a repository. Of course, if you're running a network with several computers, you can keep it on just one.

.iso file could be placed as a repository, means that in off line mode, we can install the software from it? Here you are saying for .iso DVD in which many softwares are there?? (which could be placed as a repositories) on the desktop, even for a single PC....?

That's exactly what I mean. I place the .ISO file in a suitable directory and then add it as a repository. Another possibility is to loop back mount the ISO file. It then appears as a regular directory that can be shared over the network for use by other computers. I've done that several times so that I could do a net install, without having to go out to the Internet. This comes in handy if you're setting up several computers, such as in a business. You place the ISO file on a server, loop back mount it and then share via NFS, Samba etc. Then you use the net install CD, which connects to that server for all the install files. After the installation, that server should automagically appear in the list of repositories. One thing you learn, after running Linux for a while, is how much Windows ties your hands when you want to do something. Linux (and Unix) is extremely flexible and, for most people, all the software is free. I recently bought a ThinkPad E520. It came with Windows 7 and I installed openSUSE 12.1 beta RC1 on it. Other than an issue getting the WiFi going, it's been very easy to work with (though I don't care for KDE4, compared to KDE3). On the other hand, W7 is irritating because it so often gets in the way of trying to do something. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

On 10/29/11 9:09 AM, Togan Muftuoglu wrote:

On 10/29/2011 12:01 AM, Brian K. White wrote:

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On 10/28/2011 12:50 PM, Togan Muftuoglu wrote:

That is true and hence there is evergreen as geriatrics service ;)

Togan

What is with Tumbleweed and Evergreen? Is Evergreen for older servers in production a good solution? I heard that Tumbleweed is the future of openSUSE's upgrade strategy, and that it is quite a mess. I have done upgrades in the 9.x and 10.x versions, with unpleasant consequences. I do not have time for upgrade problems any more, and also not for 10.0, 11.0 and 12.0. Could a thread be opened for a discussion on future upgrade and older production system strategies? See: http://news.opensuse.org/2011/01/03/opensuse-finished-2010-big/ Dreiel -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Wednesday, 2011-11-09 at 00:44 +0100, LLLActive@GMX.Net wrote:

What is with Tumbleweed and Evergreen? Is Evergreen for older servers in production a good solution?

Might be. - -- Cheers, Carlos E. R. (from 11.4 x86_64 "Celadon" at Telcontar) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.16 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAk66SoMACgkQtTMYHG2NR9WMpQCeKKG3oBt1aNwCcs/UWEoqG4Q9 0MAAoJhkEwC28SzevDS1GVsfoLyPdzMI =J3o9 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

On 28/10/11 23:01, Brian K. White wrote:

On 10/28/2011 12:50 PM, Togan Muftuoglu wrote:

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On 10/28/2011 06:42 PM, Linux Tyro wrote:

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On Fri, Oct 28, 2011 at 9:09 PM, Robert Schweikert wrote:

ok. Well, I just wanted to ask if the new release period could be increased (just a suggestion) from 8 months to something like a year, so that we (not from technical side) can all have a good grasp at the OS/distro, can know something about it before any new thing come into picture... However, it's just a question of 'if' this is a possibility or not...!

Upgrade is not obligatory, I am running versions back to 11.1 on a daily basis and some of the are web and mail servers. So you do not have to update to the new version every 8 months or so

life is endless possibilities and then there is the freedom of choosing

Togan

Then again I just spent a few days fighting with some hackers script that somehow manages to get _ROOT ACCESS_ to a few of my opensuse 11.2 machines, du apparently to a weakness in openssh.

[...] When I noticed attacks like that, I changed my ssh port from the default 22 to a higher, unused port. Though I was just getting 'fishing expedition' probes from script kiddies (in China, Brazil and USA, mostly), no perl scripts running, AFAIK. This was a couple of years ago, I can't remember which version of oS I was running. Bob -- Registered Linux User #463880 FSFE Member #1300 GPG-FP: A6C1 457C 6DBA B13E 5524 F703 D12A FB79 926B 994E openSUSE 11.4 64-bit, Kernel 2.6.37.6-0.5-desktop, KDE 4.6.5 Intel Core2 Quad Q9400 2.66GHz, 8GB DDR RAM, nVidia GeForce 9600GT -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

On Fri, Oct 28, 2011 at 10:20 PM, Togan Muftuoglu wrote:

Upgrade is not obligatory, I am running versions back to 11.1 on a daily basis and some of the are web and mail servers. So you do not have to update to the new version every 8 months or so

Okay, I see. Thanks.

life is endless possibilities and then there is the freedom of choosing

I do agree. On Fri, Oct 28, 2011 at 10:22 PM, jdd wrote:

the release period do not mean you have to use the new distro, openSUSE is suppored at least for 18 month (two release + 2 month).

Oh I see. And even after that period, the basic functionality would remain the same (I read in Linux).

Welcopme to openSUSE :-))

Thanks again. On Fri, Oct 28, 2011 at 10:25 PM, Robert Schweikert wrote:

Well, I am not sure where you are going with this. However, whatever the release schedule is, there is always the same "problem" someone will always need more time for something. This would mean that there is never a release. That's of course not very helpful.

That's okay. On Fri, Oct 28, 2011 at 11:42 PM, John Andersen wrote:

Release intervals are not so important, they can be more frequent. My only complaint about them is the suck up maintainer resources that could (IMHO) be more valuable if applied to longer release maintenance period.

I understand, for security you are saying this.

When I upgrade, I have to look seriously at Ubuntu Server with Long Term Support, or a rolling release.

But I heard from people using Linux that openSUSE is better the Ubuntu and you again want to switch to that? However, its a personal choice, no one can interfere but as a matter of interest this question arises! On Fri, Oct 28, 2011 at 11:51 PM, jdd wrote:

thus you should support Evergreen, the long term support of openSUSE (still experimental)

Experimental... in sense of it being active? On Fri, Oct 28, 2011 at 11:56 PM, John Andersen wrote:

Exactly my thinking with regard to a rolling release as my next server installation.

Can you please let me know the meaning of 'rolling release'. Thx. On Sat, Oct 29, 2011 at 12:03 AM, jdd wrote:

But I'm pretty sure Evergreen needs badly more team members :-(

Less people go for it.....? On Sat, Oct 29, 2011 at 2:23 AM, Adam Tauno Williams wrote:

+1 I'm probably considered a very technical user - and I don't upgrade right away [I have work to do!]

Of course you want to upgrade eventually. But waiting a few months is certainly reasonable. Previous versions will continue to receive important updates for awhile.

Okay nice and as they say it is for 2 releases and 2 months (18 months in all), so enough (this I came to know). On Sat, Oct 29, 2011 at 2:47 AM, Felix Miata wrote:

to me evergreen means perennially green and _live_, like such coniferous trees as pine, sequoia, cypress & fir. Evergreen seems like an apt name for a LTS distro to me.

'Evergreen' is a good word and the meaning also compatible with what that version does! On Sat, Oct 29, 2011 at 3:31 AM, Brian K. White wrote:

Then again I just spent a few days fighting with some hackers script that somehow manages to get _ROOT ACCESS_ to a few of my opensuse 11.2 machines, du apparently to a weakness in openssh.

openSUSE too get attacked!! And I have come here thinking that only Windows was the thing getting attached each time!!

My only way to save this server, and still have ssh, was to upgrade ssh to the latest version, or at least whatever version fixed whatever weakness this script was exploiting. I only know that upgrading to latest stopped him cold.

Oh I see, that's why remaining with the latest version is good.....?

You can only do that for just so long after the distro goes off the back end of the support time frame.

Means upto 18 months.

If a box is connected to the internet, you can't actually afford to just let it get old.

Correct, :) On Sat, Oct 29, 2011 at 4:22 AM, John Andersen wrote:

I understand that the owners of OpenSuse what us to buy SLES. But the purchase price and subscription fees pretty steep for some of us.

But they don't enforce one to buy, why to use a bought version if everything is available free of cost and at least for a home user and the one really doesn't belong to computers! On Sat, Oct 29, 2011 at 1:03 PM, jdd wrote:

since 11.4 (as far as I remember), the upgrade process is supported, and really upgrading from 11.4 to 12.1 should be pretty easy

Earlier up gradations in Linux (before to 11.4 to 12.1, as you say) had some of the issues....? Means up gradations sometimes cause problem(s)....! On Sat, Oct 29, 2011 at 1:38 PM, Togan Muftuoglu wrote:

Supported or not supported is not the issue for me. Stability is the key and in main central parts.

I guess this is correct. Stability is more important at least in the corporate environment.... Thanks and I really got an idea of openSUSE that it is better to install the version (current latest) and it would remain stable for at least 18 months and after that, I would think after 18 months! What confused me with openSUSE was (initially) that it releases newer version in only 8 months but I really forgot to see that these versions are supported for 18 months, now its fine. I have not to consider all those bigger issues of stability which a corporate network and system administrator would consider (like maintaining a server and making it free from all of the attacks, whatever..) but for me as a home user, yes this is good enough and if the problem would come, you all people are there....! Good community. Soon, the KDE 11.4 openSUSE download would be completed and I would install on the holiday. -- Thx. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

Le 28/10/2011 18:42, Linux Tyro a écrit :

ok. Well, I just wanted to ask if the new release period could be increased

the release period do not mean you have to use the new distro, openSUSE is suppored at least for 18 month (two release + 2 month). Of course, everybody here is very excited by the new baby, but one can without problem use a ditro for about two years. Welcopme to openSUSE :-)) jdd -- http://www.dodin.net http://www.youtube.com/user/jdddodinorg http://jdd.blip.tv/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

On 10/28/2011 9:42 AM, Linux Tyro wrote:

Well, I just wanted to ask if the new release period could be increased (just a suggestion) from 8 months to something like a year,

If you lobbied for a longer support cycle, I'd be right there in your corner. Release intervals are not so important, they can be more frequent. My only complaint about them is the suck up maintainer resources that could (IMHO) be more valuable if applied to longer release maintenance period. But everybody wants a new toy. Not so much for servers. I have a 10.2 server that needs to be upgraded, because even security patches are no longer available for it, and haven't been for some time. It was installed in late 2006. With critical updates for two years from the release date. So before 2009 arrived, my server has already been out of maintenance, and there are known security issues with this old release. (I know, I failed a penetration test thru no fault of configuration). When I upgrade, I have to look seriously at Ubuntu Server with Long Term Support, or a rolling release. -- _____________________________________ ---This space for rent--- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

On 10/28/2011 11:21 AM, jdd wrote:

Le 28/10/2011 20:12, John Andersen a �crit :

...

I have a 10.2 server that needs to be upgraded, because even security

thus you should support Evergreen, the long term support of openSUSE (still experimental)

jdd

Exactly my thinking with regard to a rolling release as my next server installation. I would rather it had a name like "Bullet Proof" than "evergreen", the latter suggest immature to the english speaker, or at least the paranoid english speaker. ;-) -- _____________________________________ ---This space for rent--- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

On 2011/10/28 14:26 (GMT-0400) John Andersen composed:

I would rather it had a name like "Bullet Proof" than "evergreen", the latter suggest immature to the english speaker, or at least the paranoid english speaker. ;-)

Dunno who taught you your English, but it's my only language, and to me evergreen means perennially green and _live_, like such coniferous trees as pine, sequoia, cypress & fir. Evergreen seems like an apt name for a LTS distro to me. -- "The wise are known for their understanding, and pleasant words are persuasive." Proverbs 16:21 (New Living Translation) Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

On Sat, 29 Oct 2011 07:47:24 Felix Miata wrote:

On 2011/10/28 14:26 (GMT-0400) John Andersen composed:

...

I would rather it had a name like "Bullet Proof" than "evergreen", the latter suggest immature to the english speaker, or at least the paranoid english speaker. ;-)

Dunno who taught you your English, but it's my only language, and to me evergreen means perennially green and _live_, like such coniferous trees as pine, sequoia, cypress & fir. Evergreen seems like an apt name for a LTS distro to me.

You're right, but I think you missed the pun - ever=always, green=immature/inexperienced. :-) -- =================================================== Rodney Baker VK5ZTV rodney.baker@iinet.net.au =================================================== -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org