[opensuse] Can I ask something...?
Hi, Yes, I am very new here and beginner in Linux too. Can I suggest/ask something regarding openSUSE...? I consider it good to ask first for it since openSUSE says it is an open project, so I am asking. -- Thx. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 10/28/2011 11:29 AM, Linux Tyro wrote:
Hi,
Yes, I am very new here and beginner in Linux too. Can I suggest/ask something regarding openSUSE...? I consider it good to ask first for it since openSUSE says it is an open project, so I am asking.
Well, Welcome to openSUSE. We have some general guidlines about mailing list posts at: http://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Mailing_list_netiquette This might help you to get a feel for how things work on our mailing lists. Generally, and this applies to IRC as well, do not ask to ask. Rather, just send your question (with reasonably appropriate subject line) to the list. HTH, Robert -- Robert Schweikert MAY THE SOURCE BE WITH YOU SUSE-IBM Software Integration Center LINUX Tech Lead rjschwei@suse.com rschweik@ca.ibm.com 781-464-8147 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On Fri, Oct 28, 2011 at 9:09 PM, Robert Schweikert
Welcome to openSUSE.
Thanks.
do not ask to ask. Rather, just send your question (with reasonably appropriate subject line) to the list.
ok. Well, I just wanted to ask if the new release period could be increased (just a suggestion) from 8 months to something like a year, so that we (not from technical side) can all have a good grasp at the OS/distro, can know something about it before any new thing come into picture... However, it's just a question of 'if' this is a possibility or not...! -- Thx. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 10/28/2011 06:42 PM, Linux Tyro wrote:
On Fri, Oct 28, 2011 at 9:09 PM, Robert Schweikert
wrote: ok. Well, I just wanted to ask if the new release period could be increased (just a suggestion) from 8 months to something like a year, so that we (not from technical side) can all have a good grasp at the OS/distro, can know something about it before any new thing come into picture... However, it's just a question of 'if' this is a possibility or not...!
Upgrade is not obligatory, I am running versions back to 11.1 on a daily basis and some of the are web and mail servers. So you do not have to update to the new version every 8 months or so life is endless possibilities and then there is the freedom of choosing Togan -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
Le 28/10/2011 18:42, Linux Tyro a écrit :
ok. Well, I just wanted to ask if the new release period could be increased
the release period do not mean you have to use the new distro, openSUSE is suppored at least for 18 month (two release + 2 month). Of course, everybody here is very excited by the new baby, but one can without problem use a ditro for about two years. Welcopme to openSUSE :-)) jdd -- http://www.dodin.net http://www.youtube.com/user/jdddodinorg http://jdd.blip.tv/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 10/28/2011 12:42 PM, Linux Tyro wrote:
On Fri, Oct 28, 2011 at 9:09 PM, Robert Schweikert
wrote: Welcome to openSUSE.
Thanks.
do not ask to ask. Rather, just send your question (with reasonably appropriate subject line) to the list.
ok. Well, I just wanted to ask if the new release period could be increased (just a suggestion) from 8 months to something like a year, so that we (not from technical side) can all have a good grasp at the OS/distro, can know something about it before any new thing come into picture...
Well, I am not sure where you are going with this. However, whatever the release schedule is, there is always the same "problem" someone will always need more time for something. This would mean that there is never a release. That's of course not very helpful. In addition you can take as long as you want, just because a new release is available that doesn't mean you have to upgrade to it right away. The current release will still be active for quite a while.
However, it's just a question of 'if' this is a possibility or not...!
The release schedule will not change at this point in time, we just switched to the 8 month schedule not too long ago and so far this appears to be working for us. Also this is a question that would be better suited for the opensuse-project list. HTH, Robert -- Robert Schweikert MAY THE SOURCE BE WITH YOU SUSE-IBM Software Integration Center LINUX Tech Lead rjschwei@suse.com rschweik@ca.ibm.com 781-464-8147 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 10/28/2011 9:42 AM, Linux Tyro wrote:
Well, I just wanted to ask if the new release period could be increased (just a suggestion) from 8 months to something like a year,
If you lobbied for a longer support cycle, I'd be right there in your corner. Release intervals are not so important, they can be more frequent. My only complaint about them is the suck up maintainer resources that could (IMHO) be more valuable if applied to longer release maintenance period. But everybody wants a new toy. Not so much for servers. I have a 10.2 server that needs to be upgraded, because even security patches are no longer available for it, and haven't been for some time. It was installed in late 2006. With critical updates for two years from the release date. So before 2009 arrived, my server has already been out of maintenance, and there are known security issues with this old release. (I know, I failed a penetration test thru no fault of configuration). When I upgrade, I have to look seriously at Ubuntu Server with Long Term Support, or a rolling release. -- _____________________________________ ---This space for rent--- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
Le 28/10/2011 20:12, John Andersen a écrit :
I have a 10.2 server that needs to be upgraded, because even security
thus you should support Evergreen, the long term support of openSUSE (still experimental) jdd -- http://www.dodin.net http://www.youtube.com/user/jdddodinorg http://jdd.blip.tv/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 10/28/2011 11:21 AM, jdd wrote:
Le 28/10/2011 20:12, John Andersen a �crit :
I have a 10.2 server that needs to be upgraded, because even security
thus you should support Evergreen, the long term support of openSUSE (still experimental)
jdd
Exactly my thinking with regard to a rolling release as my next server installation. I would rather it had a name like "Bullet Proof" than "evergreen", the latter suggest immature to the english speaker, or at least the paranoid english speaker. ;-) -- _____________________________________ ---This space for rent--- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
Le 28/10/2011 20:26, John Andersen a écrit :
Exactly my thinking with regard to a rolling release as my next server installation.
this is not a rolling release, at least like openSUSE understand it (the rr is tumbleweed)
I would rather it had a name like "Bullet Proof" than "evergreen", the latter suggest immature to the english speaker, or at least the paranoid english speaker. ;-)
not being (native) english speaker, I don't know. for openSUSE, Evergreen is a personal server release. Professinal need SLES (Enterprise Server), with 7 years professional support Evergreen is a continued support that was at first proposed for personal server users. It's goal is (was) to support 11.1 basics. Due to practical problems (I couldn't keep my 11.1 server) I didn't follow it closely. The goal is to have support for what makes a server live: basics (kernel...) and server daemons (ssh, apache;..) But I'm pretty sure Evergreen needs badly more team members :-( jdd -- http://www.dodin.net http://www.youtube.com/user/jdddodinorg http://jdd.blip.tv/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On Fri, 2011-10-28 at 18:50 +0200, Togan Muftuoglu wrote:
On 10/28/2011 06:42 PM, Linux Tyro wrote:
On Fri, Oct 28, 2011 at 9:09 PM, Robert Schweikert
wrote: ok. Well, I just wanted to ask if the new release period could be increased (just a suggestion) from 8 months to something like a year, so that we (not from technical side) can all have a good grasp at the OS/distro, can know something about it before any new thing come into picture... However, it's just a question of 'if' this is a possibility or not...! Upgrade is not obligatory,
+1 I'm probably considered a very technical user - and I don't upgrade right away [I have work to do!] Of course you want to upgrade eventually. But waiting a few months is certainly reasonable. Previous versions will continue to receive important updates for awhile.
I am running versions back to 11.1 on a daily basis and some of the are web and mail servers. So you do not have to update to the new version every 8 months or so
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On 2011/10/28 14:26 (GMT-0400) John Andersen composed:
I would rather it had a name like "Bullet Proof" than "evergreen", the latter suggest immature to the english speaker, or at least the paranoid english speaker. ;-)
Dunno who taught you your English, but it's my only language, and to me evergreen means perennially green and _live_, like such coniferous trees as pine, sequoia, cypress & fir. Evergreen seems like an apt name for a LTS distro to me. -- "The wise are known for their understanding, and pleasant words are persuasive." Proverbs 16:21 (New Living Translation) Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 10/28/2011 12:50 PM, Togan Muftuoglu wrote:
On 10/28/2011 06:42 PM, Linux Tyro wrote:
On Fri, Oct 28, 2011 at 9:09 PM, Robert Schweikert
wrote: ok. Well, I just wanted to ask if the new release period could be increased (just a suggestion) from 8 months to something like a year, so that we (not from technical side) can all have a good grasp at the OS/distro, can know something about it before any new thing come into picture... However, it's just a question of 'if' this is a possibility or not...!
Upgrade is not obligatory, I am running versions back to 11.1 on a daily basis and some of the are web and mail servers. So you do not have to update to the new version every 8 months or so
life is endless possibilities and then there is the freedom of choosing
Togan
Then again I just spent a few days fighting with some hackers script that somehow manages to get _ROOT ACCESS_ to a few of my opensuse 11.2 machines, du apparently to a weakness in openssh. I had done everything but shut off sshd entirely, sinec i need it myself, but I had disallowed root access, I had deleted all ssh keys and changed the password, and still they got in. Lucky for me it was just a script that only wanted to do one thing, execute perl and suck down a perl script to generate spam. It was running perl, as root, it could have done _anything_. I captured forensic data by replacing the perl binary with a shell script that copied the environment and stdin to unique files and then ran the real perl binary and that's the only way I was able to see what perl script was being run. It never used a temp file, just received everything from stdin. I could have firewalled the IP, but there were multiple IP's and I know with scripts like these, there would be many other possible IP's where the same form of attack would come from. My only way to save this server, and still have ssh, was to upgrade ssh to the latest version, or at least whatever version fixed whatever weakness this script was exploiting. I only know that upgrading to latest stopped him cold. You can only do that for just so long after the distro goes off the back end of the support time frame. Luckily this was a 11.2 box, and luckily in this case I already knew from prior testing on other boxes that it would be ok to just change all the zypper repos from 11.2 repos (I maintain my own mirrors indefinitely after they disappear from suse's mirrors) to 11.3 repos, and add the current openssh devel repo from OBS, and then update openssh from that, and it pulled in a few other updates from the 11.3 repos and luckily doesn't screw up the rest of the system. If a box is connected to the internet, you can't actually afford to just let it get old. -- bkw -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 10/28/2011 6:01 PM, Brian K. White wrote:
On 10/28/2011 12:50 PM, Togan Muftuoglu wrote:
On 10/28/2011 06:42 PM, Linux Tyro wrote:
On Fri, Oct 28, 2011 at 9:09 PM, Robert Schweikert
wrote: ok. Well, I just wanted to ask if the new release period could be increased (just a suggestion) from 8 months to something like a year, so that we (not from technical side) can all have a good grasp at the OS/distro, can know something about it before any new thing come into picture... However, it's just a question of 'if' this is a possibility or not...!
Upgrade is not obligatory, I am running versions back to 11.1 on a daily basis and some of the are web and mail servers. So you do not have to update to the new version every 8 months or so
life is endless possibilities and then there is the freedom of choosing
Togan
Then again I just spent a few days fighting with some hackers script that somehow manages to get _ROOT ACCESS_ to a few of my opensuse 11.2 machines, du apparently to a weakness in openssh.
I had done everything but shut off sshd entirely, sinec i need it myself, but I had disallowed root access, I had deleted all ssh keys and changed the password, and still they got in. Lucky for me it was just a script that only wanted to do one thing, execute perl and suck down a perl script to generate spam. It was running perl, as root, it could have done _anything_.
I captured forensic data by replacing the perl binary with a shell script
I'm sorry I just realized I kind of skipped a little background there, I did know from info in /proc that the hacker process was running perl, and that it was launched from a shell that was provided by sshd. Further investigation and eventual solution confirmed that multiple ways. -- bkw -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On Friday, October 28, 2011 05:17:24 PM Felix Miata wrote:
I would rather it had a name like "Bullet Proof" than "evergreen", the latter suggest immature to the english speaker, or at least the paranoid english speaker. ;-) Dunno who taught you your English, but it's my only language, and to me evergreen means perennially green and _live_, like such coniferous trees as
On 2011/10/28 14:26 (GMT-0400) John Andersen composed: pine, sequoia, cypress & fir. Evergreen seems like an apt name for a LTS distro to me.
Exactly, that was the Evergreen spirit at early discussions on Mailing List. And AFAIK the experimental stage would be superseded if support is achieved by community and enough developers step in. Regards, -- Ricardo Chung | Panama openSUSE Linux Ambassador openSUSE 11.4 | KDE 4.7 | Mesa-Nouveau 3D Linux for Education -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 10/28/2011 3:01 PM, Brian K. White wrote:
My only way to save this server, and still have ssh, was to upgrade ssh to the latest version, or at least whatever version fixed whatever weakness this script was exploiting. I only know that upgrading to latest stopped him cold.
You can only do that for just so long after the distro goes off the back end of the support time frame.
Exactly the situation I had, except they were exploiting a known SSL weakness. You really are forced to upgrade shortly after support ends. And if you could simply do that it would be great, but in most cases less than half of the services I run upgrade smoothly, and I need to fiddle for weeks getting things going again the way I like them. In fact I've been burned on upgrades so often I never even attempt it any more on things that matter. I understand that the owners of OpenSuse what us to buy SLES. But the purchase price and subscription fees pretty steep for some of us. -- _____________________________________ ---This space for rent--- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On Sat, 29 Oct 2011 07:47:24 Felix Miata wrote:
On 2011/10/28 14:26 (GMT-0400) John Andersen composed:
I would rather it had a name like "Bullet Proof" than "evergreen", the latter suggest immature to the english speaker, or at least the paranoid english speaker. ;-)
Dunno who taught you your English, but it's my only language, and to me evergreen means perennially green and _live_, like such coniferous trees as pine, sequoia, cypress & fir. Evergreen seems like an apt name for a LTS distro to me.
You're right, but I think you missed the pun - ever=always, green=immature/inexperienced. :-) -- =================================================== Rodney Baker VK5ZTV rodney.baker@iinet.net.au =================================================== -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 10/29/2011 12:01 AM, Brian K. White wrote:
On 10/28/2011 12:50 PM, Togan Muftuoglu wrote:
Upgrade is not obligatory, I am running versions back to 11.1 on a daily basis and some of the are web and mail servers. So you do not have to update to the new version every 8 months or so
life is endless possibilities and then there is the freedom of choosing
I had done everything but shut off sshd entirely, sinec i need it myself, but I had disallowed root access, I had deleted all ssh keys and changed the password, and still they got in. Lucky for me it was just a script that only wanted to do one thing, execute perl and suck down a perl script to generate spam. It was running perl, as root, it could have done _anything_.
Lockdown all first and then let it is my approach. None of my servers have root enabled for sssh and only allowed groups can log in
You can only do that for just so long after the distro goes off the back end of the support time frame.
True and they eventually get upgraded but not immediately. My experince with SuSE and openSUSE has been wait like 6 months after a release so it polishes itself and start the upgrade based on mission of the server
Luckily this was a 11.2 box, and luckily in this case I already knew from prior testing on other boxes that it would be ok to just change all the zypper repos from 11.2 repos (I maintain my own mirrors indefinitely after they disappear from suse's mirrors) to 11.3 repos, and add the current openssh devel repo from OBS, and then update openssh from that, and it pulled in a few other updates from the 11.3 repos and luckily doesn't screw up the rest of the system.
Same except the mirroring part I use OBS and maintain the software as necessary
If a box is connected to the internet, you can't actually afford to just let it get old.
That is true and hence there is evergreen as geriatrics service ;) Togan -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
Le 29/10/2011 00:01, Brian K. White a écrit :
Then again I just spent a few days fighting with some hackers script
very interesting report, thanks jdd -- http://www.dodin.net http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xgxog7_clip-l-ombre-et-la-lumiere-3-bad-pig... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FGgv_ZFtV14 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
Le 29/10/2011 09:09, Togan Muftuoglu a écrit :
True and they eventually get upgraded but not immediately. My experince with SuSE and openSUSE has been wait like 6 months after a release so it polishes itself and start the upgrade based on mission of the server
since 11.4 (as far as I remember), the upgrade process is supported, and really upgrading from 11.4 to 12.1 should be pretty easy jdd -- http://www.dodin.net http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xgxog7_clip-l-ombre-et-la-lumiere-3-bad-pig... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FGgv_ZFtV14 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 10/29/2011 09:33 AM, jdd wrote:
Le 29/10/2011 09:09, Togan Muftuoglu a écrit :
True and they eventually get upgraded but not immediately. My experince with SuSE and openSUSE has been wait like 6 months after a release so it polishes itself and start the upgrade based on mission of the server
since 11.4 (as far as I remember), the upgrade process is supported, and really upgrading from 11.4 to 12.1 should be pretty easy
In that case that would be interesting as first I have to upgrade my machines from an unsupported version to 11.4 so I can enjoy the supporting upgrade from there on. Supported or not supported is not the issue for me. Stability is the key and in main central parts. IIRC almost every version one of the first updates is aaa_base which installs several important configuration files and SuSEconfig. So my position is to use evergreen for my old servers and slowly move them up the new steps till one they are supported. Togan -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On Fri, Oct 28, 2011 at 10:20 PM, Togan Muftuoglu
Upgrade is not obligatory, I am running versions back to 11.1 on a daily basis and some of the are web and mail servers. So you do not have to update to the new version every 8 months or so
Okay, I see. Thanks.
life is endless possibilities and then there is the freedom of choosing
I do agree.
On Fri, Oct 28, 2011 at 10:22 PM, jdd
the release period do not mean you have to use the new distro, openSUSE is suppored at least for 18 month (two release + 2 month).
Oh I see. And even after that period, the basic functionality would remain the same (I read in Linux).
Welcopme to openSUSE :-))
Thanks again.
On Fri, Oct 28, 2011 at 10:25 PM, Robert Schweikert
Well, I am not sure where you are going with this. However, whatever the release schedule is, there is always the same "problem" someone will always need more time for something. This would mean that there is never a release. That's of course not very helpful.
That's okay.
On Fri, Oct 28, 2011 at 11:42 PM, John Andersen
Release intervals are not so important, they can be more frequent. My only complaint about them is the suck up maintainer resources that could (IMHO) be more valuable if applied to longer release maintenance period.
I understand, for security you are saying this.
When I upgrade, I have to look seriously at Ubuntu Server with Long Term Support, or a rolling release.
But I heard from people using Linux that openSUSE is better the Ubuntu
and you again want to switch to that? However, its a personal choice,
no one can interfere but as a matter of interest this question arises!
On Fri, Oct 28, 2011 at 11:51 PM, jdd
thus you should support Evergreen, the long term support of openSUSE (still experimental)
Experimental... in sense of it being active?
On Fri, Oct 28, 2011 at 11:56 PM, John Andersen
Exactly my thinking with regard to a rolling release as my next server installation.
Can you please let me know the meaning of 'rolling release'. Thx.
On Sat, Oct 29, 2011 at 12:03 AM, jdd
But I'm pretty sure Evergreen needs badly more team members :-(
Less people go for it.....?
On Sat, Oct 29, 2011 at 2:23 AM, Adam Tauno Williams
+1 I'm probably considered a very technical user - and I don't upgrade right away [I have work to do!]
Of course you want to upgrade eventually. But waiting a few months is certainly reasonable. Previous versions will continue to receive important updates for awhile.
Okay nice and as they say it is for 2 releases and 2 months (18 months
in all), so enough (this I came to know).
On Sat, Oct 29, 2011 at 2:47 AM, Felix Miata
to me evergreen means perennially green and _live_, like such coniferous trees as pine, sequoia, cypress & fir. Evergreen seems like an apt name for a LTS distro to me.
'Evergreen' is a good word and the meaning also compatible with what
that version does!
On Sat, Oct 29, 2011 at 3:31 AM, Brian K. White
Then again I just spent a few days fighting with some hackers script that somehow manages to get _ROOT ACCESS_ to a few of my opensuse 11.2 machines, du apparently to a weakness in openssh.
openSUSE too get attacked!! And I have come here thinking that only Windows was the thing getting attached each time!!
My only way to save this server, and still have ssh, was to upgrade ssh to the latest version, or at least whatever version fixed whatever weakness this script was exploiting. I only know that upgrading to latest stopped him cold.
Oh I see, that's why remaining with the latest version is good.....?
You can only do that for just so long after the distro goes off the back end of the support time frame.
Means upto 18 months.
If a box is connected to the internet, you can't actually afford to just let it get old.
Correct, :)
On Sat, Oct 29, 2011 at 4:22 AM, John Andersen
I understand that the owners of OpenSuse what us to buy SLES. But the purchase price and subscription fees pretty steep for some of us.
But they don't enforce one to buy, why to use a bought version if
everything is available free of cost and at least for a home user and
the one really doesn't belong to computers!
On Sat, Oct 29, 2011 at 1:03 PM, jdd
since 11.4 (as far as I remember), the upgrade process is supported, and really upgrading from 11.4 to 12.1 should be pretty easy
Earlier up gradations in Linux (before to 11.4 to 12.1, as you say)
had some of the issues....? Means up gradations sometimes cause
problem(s)....!
On Sat, Oct 29, 2011 at 1:38 PM, Togan Muftuoglu
Supported or not supported is not the issue for me. Stability is the key and in main central parts.
I guess this is correct. Stability is more important at least in the corporate environment.... Thanks and I really got an idea of openSUSE that it is better to install the version (current latest) and it would remain stable for at least 18 months and after that, I would think after 18 months! What confused me with openSUSE was (initially) that it releases newer version in only 8 months but I really forgot to see that these versions are supported for 18 months, now its fine. I have not to consider all those bigger issues of stability which a corporate network and system administrator would consider (like maintaining a server and making it free from all of the attacks, whatever..) but for me as a home user, yes this is good enough and if the problem would come, you all people are there....! Good community. Soon, the KDE 11.4 openSUSE download would be completed and I would install on the holiday. -- Thx. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 28/10/11 23:01, Brian K. White wrote:
On 10/28/2011 12:50 PM, Togan Muftuoglu wrote:
On 10/28/2011 06:42 PM, Linux Tyro wrote:
On Fri, Oct 28, 2011 at 9:09 PM, Robert Schweikert
wrote: ok. Well, I just wanted to ask if the new release period could be increased (just a suggestion) from 8 months to something like a year, so that we (not from technical side) can all have a good grasp at the OS/distro, can know something about it before any new thing come into picture... However, it's just a question of 'if' this is a possibility or not...!
Upgrade is not obligatory, I am running versions back to 11.1 on a daily basis and some of the are web and mail servers. So you do not have to update to the new version every 8 months or so
life is endless possibilities and then there is the freedom of choosing
Togan
Then again I just spent a few days fighting with some hackers script that somehow manages to get _ROOT ACCESS_ to a few of my opensuse 11.2 machines, du apparently to a weakness in openssh.
[...] When I noticed attacks like that, I changed my ssh port from the default 22 to a higher, unused port. Though I was just getting 'fishing expedition' probes from script kiddies (in China, Brazil and USA, mostly), no perl scripts running, AFAIK. This was a couple of years ago, I can't remember which version of oS I was running. Bob -- Registered Linux User #463880 FSFE Member #1300 GPG-FP: A6C1 457C 6DBA B13E 5524 F703 D12A FB79 926B 994E openSUSE 11.4 64-bit, Kernel 2.6.37.6-0.5-desktop, KDE 4.6.5 Intel Core2 Quad Q9400 2.66GHz, 8GB DDR RAM, nVidia GeForce 9600GT -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On Fri, Oct 28, 2011 at 6:01 PM, Brian K. White
On 10/28/2011 12:50 PM, Togan Muftuoglu wrote:
On 10/28/2011 06:42 PM, Linux Tyro wrote:
On Fri, Oct 28, 2011 at 9:09 PM, Robert Schweikert
wrote: ok. Well, I just wanted to ask if the new release period could be increased (just a suggestion) from 8 months to something like a year, so that we (not from technical side) can all have a good grasp at the OS/distro, can know something about it before any new thing come into picture... However, it's just a question of 'if' this is a possibility or not...!
Upgrade is not obligatory, I am running versions back to 11.1 on a daily basis and some of the are web and mail servers. So you do not have to update to the new version every 8 months or so
life is endless possibilities and then there is the freedom of choosing
Togan
Then again I just spent a few days fighting with some hackers script that somehow manages to get _ROOT ACCESS_ to a few of my opensuse 11.2 machines, du apparently to a weakness in openssh.
I had done everything but shut off sshd entirely, sinec i need it myself, but I had disallowed root access, I had deleted all ssh keys and changed the password, and still they got in. Lucky for me it was just a script that only wanted to do one thing, execute perl and suck down a perl script to generate spam. It was running perl, as root, it could have done _anything_.
I captured forensic data by replacing the perl binary with a shell script that copied the environment and stdin to unique files and then ran the real perl binary and that's the only way I was able to see what perl script was being run. It never used a temp file, just received everything from stdin.
I could have firewalled the IP, but there were multiple IP's and I know with scripts like these, there would be many other possible IP's where the same form of attack would come from.
My only way to save this server, and still have ssh, was to upgrade ssh to the latest version, or at least whatever version fixed whatever weakness this script was exploiting. I only know that upgrading to latest stopped him cold.
You can only do that for just so long after the distro goes off the back end of the support time frame.
Luckily this was a 11.2 box, and luckily in this case I already knew from prior testing on other boxes that it would be ok to just change all the zypper repos from 11.2 repos (I maintain my own mirrors indefinitely after they disappear from suse's mirrors) to 11.3 repos, and add the current openssh devel repo from OBS, and then update openssh from that, and it pulled in a few other updates from the 11.3 repos and luckily doesn't screw up the rest of the system.
If a box is connected to the internet, you can't actually afford to just let it get old.
-- bkw
With Evergreen in copy: Brian (and all), 11.2 does have evergreen support. Issues like the above would be very appropriate to discuss on the Evergreen users mailing list. And if 11.2 Evergreen doesn't have a secure version of openssh in it, then it needs one. The same is true of 11.1 Evergreen. http://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Evergreen Greg -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Saturday, 2011-10-29 at 09:33 +0200, jdd wrote:
since 11.4 (as far as I remember), the upgrade process is supported, and really upgrading from 11.4 to 12.1 should be pretty easy
Upgrade has been supported since as far as I remember and more. I tried it on version 6, and I have been using it on all versions thereafter. What is new is the live upgrade (zypper dup), but it has a few years already. - -- Cheers, Carlos E. R. (from 11.4 x86_64 "Celadon" at Telcontar) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.16 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAk6sLuMACgkQtTMYHG2NR9U3PgCbBdzEgOe/Y6EfkWINa1k6tlZM fHYAn3uVmiM7D1zzopmr+hw0ylkPS1fV =XJmm -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On Sat, Oct 29, 2011 at 10:20 PM, Carlos E. R.
Upgrade has been supported since as far as I remember and more. I tried it on version 6, and I have been using it on all versions thereafter.
What is new is the live upgrade (zypper dup), but it has a few years already.
thanks for the info. I will get back to you on this later (when appropriate time comes). Please help me decide the follows: "However, I have downloaded the KDE 11.4 openSUSE (CD only) but is it recommended to download and install only with DVD or it would also go the same thing??" -- Thx. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On Sat, Oct 29, 2011 at 10:23 PM, Linux Tyro
thanks for the info. I will get back to you on this later (when appropriate time comes).
That was to meant that as a beginner I really don't understand those all things, but after getting my legs wet (even a little) I can comment for that. Thx. -- Thx. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
Le 29/10/2011 18:54, Linux Tyro a écrit :
That was to meant that as a beginner I really don't understand those all things, but after getting my legs wet (even a little) I can comment for that. Thx.
this mean you can use any (recent) openSUSE and be pretty sure you can upgrade to the new one when it come with minimum fuss jdd -- http://www.dodin.net http://www.youtube.com/user/jdddodinorg http://jdd.blip.tv/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Saturday, 2011-10-29 at 15:05 +0530, Linux Tyro wrote:
On Fri, Oct 28, 2011 at 11:51 PM, jdd
wrote: thus you should support Evergreen, the long term support of openSUSE (still experimental)
Experimental... in sense of it being active?
Because it is experimental. They are trying to see if they can do it.
Can you please let me know the meaning of 'rolling release'. Thx.
Updating continuously, there are no versions. You always have the latest version of everything.
On Sat, Oct 29, 2011 at 12:03 AM, jdd
wrote: But I'm pretty sure Evergreen needs badly more team members :-(
Less people go for it.....?
No, it needs people working on it.
Okay nice and as they say it is for 2 releases and 2 months (18 months in all), so enough (this I came to know).
It was two years previously.
openSUSE too get attacked!! And I have come here thinking that only Windows was the thing getting attached each time!!
Everybody gets attacked.
But they don't enforce one to buy, why to use a bought version if everything is available free of cost and at least for a home user and the one really doesn't belong to computers!
There are reasons. Like 5 years maintenance period. - -- Cheers, Carlos E. R. (from 11.4 x86_64 "Celadon" at Telcontar) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.16 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAk6sMYcACgkQtTMYHG2NR9XLPACeKGGq9rKwz9RqdJDVvRGQ7DQT lgcAn3B2z4C6L/1F0AGHK7ena627zIpq =Eso0 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 10/29/2011 12:53 PM, Linux Tyro wrote:
Please help me decide the follows:
"However, I have downloaded the KDE 11.4 openSUSE (CD only) but is it recommended to download and install only with DVD or it would also go the same thing??" The CD has less software packages than the DVD. The CD version will be fine for desktop use and getting to know it. Then later you can add repositories and add software as needed. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Saturday, 2011-10-29 at 22:23 +0530, Linux Tyro wrote:
Please help me decide the follows:
"However, I have downloaded the KDE 11.4 openSUSE (CD only) but is it recommended to download and install only with DVD or it would also go the same thing??"
You can install from any of the sources available, the end result will be practically the same. The CD you can try first, as a live, and the initial download is less. With the DVD you can install several computers and you get more packages initially, without using the network. - -- Cheers, Carlos E. R. (from 11.4 x86_64 "Celadon" at Telcontar) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.16 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAk6sNaYACgkQtTMYHG2NR9U4fwCfan9x67PY/RFdKWR/lRhIikXQ G34An0/QwNIQf1ioz+s6ldKI4Nsz2k+G =Pgsz -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
ok thanks, i just go with kde cd live mode. -- Thx -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
Carlos E. R. wrote:
You can install from any of the sources available, the end result will be practically the same.
The CD you can try first, as a live, and the initial download is less. With the DVD you can install several computers and you get more packages initially, without using the network.
One thing I like to do, is keep the ISO file on that computer and use it as a repository. Of course, if you're running a network with several computers, you can keep it on just one. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On Sat, Oct 29, 2011 at 11:49 PM, James Knott
One thing I like to do, is keep the ISO file on that computer and use it as a repository. Of course, if you're running a network with several computers, you can keep it on just one.
.iso file could be placed as a repository, means that in off line mode, we can install the software from it? Here you are saying for .iso DVD in which many softwares are there?? (which could be placed as a repositories) on the desktop, even for a single PC....? -- Thx. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
One thing I like to do, is keep the ISO file on that computer and use it as a repository. Of course, if you're running a network with several computers, you can keep it on just one. .iso file could be placed as a repository, means that in off line mode, we can install the software from it? Here you are saying for .iso DVD in which many softwares are there?? (which could be placed as a repositories) on the desktop, even for a single PC....?
Yes, you can use an ISO file as a repository. Simply go to YaST / Software Repositories / Add / Local ISO Image and specify the path to the ISO image. That way, you can install all packages contained in the ISO image without having a connection to the Internet. Keep in mind that packages on an ISO image quickly become outdated as new bugs are fixed and new security patches are released; you will obviously need to retrieve updates from the Internet somehow. The Intel E5200 (Pentium Dual Core) is indeed a 64bit CPU. In general, if you're not sure, go ahead and try the 64bit installation dvd - if your system is 32bit, you will get an error message early on, telling you that you need the other dvd. (In fact, I think all multi-core Intel/AMD processors out there are 64bit....?) Good luck! Haro -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On Sun, Oct 30, 2011 at 2:57 PM, Haro de Grauw
Yes, you can use an ISO file as a repository. Simply go to YaST / Software Repositories / Add / Local ISO Image and specify the path to the ISO image. That way, you can install all packages contained in the ISO image without having a connection to the Internet. Keep in mind that packages on an ISO image quickly become outdated as new bugs are fixed and new security patches are released; you will obviously need to retrieve updates from the Internet somehow.
The Intel E5200 (Pentium Dual Core) is indeed a 64bit CPU. In general, if you're not sure, go ahead and try the 64bit installation dvd - if your system is 32bit, you will get an error message early on, telling you that you need the other dvd.
(In fact, I think all multi-core Intel/AMD processors out there are 64bit....?)
Thanks but I have to download back thru torrent for this DVD of 64 bit version. But I would do that. -- Thx. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 2011/10/30 15:31 (GMT+0530) Linux Tyro composed: [...] I looked back through all your posts and found no discussion about the amount of your installed RAM. AIUI, 64 bit has some overhead penalty compared to 32 that isn't worth the price on lower RAM systems, probably 2G or less. It is only clear that most users of systems with more than 3.5G of RAM should use 64 bit and that most users of 1G or less of RAM should use 32 bit. It is less than clear which to choose if your RAM size is between 1G and 3.5G. I only have one system with more than 3.5G, only a few with 2G, and most have 1G or less. I run 32 bit on all of them. If you've already downloaded the 32 bit and have only 2G or less RAM, I'd skip downloading 64 bit. -- "The wise are known for their understanding, and pleasant words are persuasive." Proverbs 16:21 (New Living Translation) Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On Sun, Oct 30, 2011 at 4:19 PM, Felix Miata
I looked back through all your posts and found no discussion about the amount of your installed RAM. AIUI, 64 bit has some overhead penalty compared to 32 that isn't worth the price on lower RAM systems, probably 2G or less. It is only clear that most users of systems with more than 3.5G of RAM should use 64 bit and that most users of 1G or less of RAM should use 32 bit. It is less than clear which to choose if your RAM size is between 1G and 3.5G. I only have one system with more than 3.5G, only a few with 2G, and most have 1G or less. I run 32 bit on all of them. If you've already downloaded the 32 bit and have only 2G or less RAM, I'd skip downloading 64 bit.
How do I check the ram size, please give me the command. Currently on Ubunt LTS (10.04/Lucid Lynx) -- Thx. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
Linux Tyro wrote:
On Sat, Oct 29, 2011 at 11:49 PM, James Knott
wrote: One thing I like to do, is keep the ISO file on that computer and use it as a repository. Of course, if you're running a network with several computers, you can keep it on just one.
.iso file could be placed as a repository, means that in off line mode, we can install the software from it? Here you are saying for .iso DVD in which many softwares are there?? (which could be placed as a repositories) on the desktop, even for a single PC....?
That's exactly what I mean. I place the .ISO file in a suitable directory and then add it as a repository. Another possibility is to loop back mount the ISO file. It then appears as a regular directory that can be shared over the network for use by other computers. I've done that several times so that I could do a net install, without having to go out to the Internet. This comes in handy if you're setting up several computers, such as in a business. You place the ISO file on a server, loop back mount it and then share via NFS, Samba etc. Then you use the net install CD, which connects to that server for all the install files. After the installation, that server should automagically appear in the list of repositories. One thing you learn, after running Linux for a while, is how much Windows ties your hands when you want to do something. Linux (and Unix) is extremely flexible and, for most people, all the software is free. I recently bought a ThinkPad E520. It came with Windows 7 and I installed openSUSE 12.1 beta RC1 on it. Other than an issue getting the WiFi going, it's been very easy to work with (though I don't care for KDE4, compared to KDE3). On the other hand, W7 is irritating because it so often gets in the way of trying to do something. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On Sun, Oct 30, 2011 at 5:57 PM, Linux Tyro
On Sun, Oct 30, 2011 at 4:19 PM, Felix Miata
wrote: I looked back through all your posts and found no discussion about the amount of your installed RAM. AIUI, 64 bit has some overhead penalty compared to 32 that isn't worth the price on lower RAM systems, probably 2G or less. It is only clear that most users of systems with more than 3.5G of RAM should use 64 bit and that most users of 1G or less of RAM should use 32 bit. It is less than clear which to choose if your RAM size is between 1G and 3.5G. I only have one system with more than 3.5G, only a few with 2G, and most have 1G or less. I run 32 bit on all of them. If you've already downloaded the 32 bit and have only 2G or less RAM, I'd skip downloading 64 bit.
How do I check the ram size, please give me the command.
Currently on Ubunt LTS (10.04/Lucid Lynx)
-- Thx.
Came to know that: My ram is 2 GB, now should I really go for 64 bit or not? (There is no compelling reason, just a home PC). But even if I can have any positive, I would go and now finalized to go for that DVD. -- Thx. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On Sun, Oct 30, 2011 at 6:09 PM, James Knott
That's exactly what I mean. I place the .ISO file in a suitable directory and then add it as a repository. Another possibility is to loop back mount the ISO file. It then appears as a regular directory that can be shared over the network for use by other computers. I've done that several times so that I could do a net install, without having to go out to the Internet. This comes in handy if you're setting up several computers, such as in a business. You place the ISO file on a server, loop back mount it and then share via NFS, Samba etc. Then you use the net install CD, which connects to that server for all the install files. After the installation, that server should automagically appear in the list of repositories.
One thing you learn, after running Linux for a while, is how much Windows ties your hands when you want to do something. Linux (and Unix) is extremely flexible and, for most people, all the software is free. I recently bought a ThinkPad E520. It came with Windows 7 and I installed openSUSE 12.1 beta RC1 on it. Other than an issue getting the WiFi going, it's been very easy to work with (though I don't care for KDE4, compared to KDE3). On the other hand, W7 is irritating because it so often gets in the way of trying to do something.
Yes but I ran only one PC and that too for personal use. I guess now mounting it in this way and using the system like this is a typical (at least for me) way. However, it could be updated weekly/monthly and I would find it more suitable since only one PC the later way paves a better road (according to me, I may be wrong). -- Thx. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Sunday, 2011-10-30 at 18:17 +0530, Linux Tyro wrote:
Came to know that: My ram is 2 GB, now should I really go for 64 bit or not?
IMO, no. - -- Cheers, Carlos E. R. (from 11.4 x86_64 "Celadon" at Telcontar) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.16 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAk6tTyMACgkQtTMYHG2NR9Xg+gCfRSrpSCXSoBQhS+5NyVhTVtJn oYcAn2tiTikLlOJ1Cm1ob30C8X6MSz3O =x/To -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On Sun, Oct 30, 2011 at 6:50 PM, Carlos E. R.
Came to know that: My ram is 2 GB, now should I really go for 64 bit or not?
IMO, no.
Because there would not be any significant advantage? But let if I wrong in the following: Even if I am not getting advantage, but at least I am using the thing for which it is made, 64 bit, however, for a single PC, nothing useful. Is it exactly like this or more than this? Processor is http://ark.intel.com/products/37212/Intel-Pentium-Processor-E5200-(2M-Cache-...) supporting 64 bit! Please also let me know about possible disadvantage(s), if any. -- Thx. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
Carlos E. R. said the following on 10/30/2011 09:20 AM:
On Sunday, 2011-10-30 at 18:17 +0530, Linux Tyro wrote:
Came to know that: My ram is 2 GB, now should I really go for 64 bit or not?
IMO, no.
+1 I'm seeing 64-bit machines being shipped with 4G as baseline and most people buying them going for an upgrade to 6G or 8G. Considering the cost on the street of 4G DDR3 (nominally $25) I would think restricting yourself to less -- unless you have an old motherboard or a laptop that won't permit expansion) is a false economy. But then "it all depends". I run a file server in 0.5G, but its headless. Yes, running X takes a lot. I also run a desktop with a modern, powerful GPU, and another desktop with an older one. The older one demand more of the CPU and of course system memory. Considering the cost of GPUs ... And then 64-bit means 64-bit pointers, 64-bit integers only count up to a small number. Is there a 16-bit *NIX? Oh, right, the PDP-11! We supported 40 users on 4M or memory and a 10G drive with an 11/45 .... but not running X. -- Time flies like the wind. Fruit flies like pears. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
Linux Tyro wrote:
On Sun, Oct 30, 2011 at 6:50 PM, Carlos E. R.
wrote: Came to know that: My ram is 2 GB, now should I really go for 64 bit or not?
IMO, no.
Because there would not be any significant advantage? But let if I wrong in the following:
Even if I am not getting advantage, but at least I am using the thing for which it is made, 64 bit, however, for a single PC, nothing useful. Is it exactly like this or more than this? Processor is http://ark.intel.com/products/37212/Intel-Pentium-Processor-E5200-(2M-Cache-...) supporting 64 bit!
Please also let me know about possible disadvantage(s), if any.
Any reason why you don't get more memory? It's cheap these days. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On Sun, Oct 30, 2011 at 7:14 PM, Anton Aylward
I'm seeing 64-bit machines being shipped with 4G as baseline and most people buying them going for an upgrade to 6G or 8G.
So meaning to say is that, I should just go for 32 bit, fine for me? -- Thx. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On Sun, Oct 30, 2011 at 7:25 PM, James Knott
Any reason why you don't get more memory? It's cheap these days.
RAM memory? Please let me know explicitly, if 32 bit is okay? Like many here suggested and may be they are correct, like 64 bit better for 4 GB of RAM! -- Thx. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Sunday, 2011-10-30 at 19:01 +0530, Linux Tyro wrote:
On Sun, Oct 30, 2011 at 6:50 PM, Carlos E. R. <> wrote:
Came to know that: My ram is 2 GB, now should I really go for 64 bit or not?
IMO, no.
Because there would not be any significant advantage?
Right.
But let if I wrong in the following:
Even if I am not getting advantage, but at least I am using the thing for which it is made, 64 bit, however, for a single PC, nothing useful. Is it exactly like this or more than this? Processor is http://ark.intel.com/products/37212/Intel-Pentium-Processor-E5200-(2M-Cache-...) supporting 64 bit!
Please also let me know about possible disadvantage(s), if any.
A 64 bits procesor is not faster in 64 bit mode than in 32 bits mode - it just "can" move more data simultaneously. It is like having a train moving with one wagon or two, at the same speed. But you do not have that much ram. I have seen programs compiled for 32 bit and 64 bit, and it used double the ram, and running slower: View this thread: http://forums.opensuse.org/showthread.php?t=457094 - -- Cheers, Carlos E. R. (from 11.4 x86_64 "Celadon" at Telcontar) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.16 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAk6tWsAACgkQtTMYHG2NR9WgYgCfWPzopvIx9fpMFpqwpJXX+d5G hZoAoIBLWgIwu23eqJFJqsoNuz0XBJJU =hgpY -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Sunday, 2011-10-30 at 19:28 +0530, Linux Tyro wrote:
On Sun, Oct 30, 2011 at 7:25 PM, James Knott <> wrote:
Any reason why you don't get more memory? It's cheap these days.
RAM memory?
You have only 2 GB. - -- Cheers, Carlos E. R. (from 11.4 x86_64 "Celadon" at Telcontar) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.16 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAk6tWyUACgkQtTMYHG2NR9WmxACgl0bAL3OvMyMn4OlERooE5OU4 BGAAni34BRoXChQAsE+O4zroEU1slOxw =Xz5e -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
Then finally i have started the download of 32 bit dvd of 11.4 opensuse. -- Thx. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
Carlos E. R. said the following on 10/30/2011 10:10 AM:
A 64 bits procesor is not faster in 64 bit mode than in 32 bits mode - it just "can" move more data simultaneously. It is like having a train moving with one wagon or two, at the same speed.
But you do not have that much ram.
Its arguable that in many situations a 64-but machine with a 64-bit bus will run faster in 32-but mode for a variety of reasons, not least of all being that the programs are smaller :-) :-) :-) -- Men fear thought as they fear nothing else on earth, more than ruin, more even than death. . . . Thought is subversive and revolutionary, destructive and terrible, thought is merciless to privilege, established institutions, and comfortable habit. Thought looks into the pit of hell and is not afraid. Thought is great and swift and free, the light of the world, and the chief glory of man. -- Bertrand Russell -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On Sun, Oct 30, 2011 at 8:27 PM, Anton Aylward
Its arguable that in many situations a 64-but machine with a 64-bit bus will run faster in 32-but mode for a variety of reasons, not least of all being that the programs are smaller :-) :-) :-)
Whatever be the reason, both are good, if it really gives me problem(s), I would go for the other one as one suggested here. -- Thx. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 2011/10/30 20:02 (GMT+0530) Linux Tyro composed:
Then finally i have started the download of 32 bit dvd of 11.4 opensuse.
Sounds like you may actually be a candidate for not downloading any DVD. Instead, download only the software that will actually be installed by doing a HTTP installation, which you begin by downloading a small "net" CD iso to boot from: http://en.opensuse.org/SDB:Network_installation An extra advantage of this process is that current versions will be installed instead of needing to update after completing installation of only original package versions. Overall download time is smaller as long as you don't expect to be installing on additional machines or more than one time. -- "The wise are known for their understanding, and pleasant words are persuasive." Proverbs 16:21 (New Living Translation) Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On Sun, Oct 30, 2011 at 8:46 PM, Felix Miata
Sounds like you may actually be a candidate for not downloading any DVD. Instead, download only the software that will actually be installed by doing a HTTP installation, which you begin by downloading a small "net" CD iso to boot from: http://en.opensuse.org/SDB:Network_installation
An extra advantage of this process is that current versions will be installed instead of needing to update after completing installation of only original package versions. Overall download time is smaller as long as you don't expect to be installing on additional machines or more than one time.
Sounds to you correct, but I don't know how to use this process. As you say, I should not go for dvd download? Rather net install is a better option? I would have to fill all those details like nameserver, ip address (router's), etc..etc..so that it automatically downloads from the INTERNET the required packages ? Yes, you are correct, I am new and never did like this partitioning and all...alone... that too in Linux! For me its very good if I do it all.... -- Thx. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
Linux Tyro said the following on 10/30/2011 11:22 AM:
On Sun, Oct 30, 2011 at 8:46 PM, Felix Miata
wrote: Sounds like you may actually be a candidate for not downloading any DVD. Instead, download only the software that will actually be installed by doing a HTTP installation, which you begin by downloading a small "net" CD iso to boot from: http://en.opensuse.org/SDB:Network_installation
An extra advantage of this process is that current versions will be installed instead of needing to update after completing installation of only original package versions. Overall download time is smaller as long as you don't expect to be installing on additional machines or more than one time.
Sounds to you correct, but I don't know how to use this process.
Yes you do. Its not really and different from what you would do with the DVD: Insert the disk Boot from disk Follow instructions I did that once and now its my preferred method. -- If God does not write LisP, God writes some code so similar to LisP as to make no difference. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Sunday, 2011-10-30 at 10:57 -0400, Anton Aylward wrote:
Carlos E. R. said the following on 10/30/2011 10:10 AM:
Its arguable that in many situations a 64-but machine with a 64-bit bus will run faster in 32-but mode for a variety of reasons, not least of all being that the programs are smaller :-) :-) :-)
Or incorrect code. - -- Cheers, Carlos E. R. (from 11.4 x86_64 "Celadon" at Telcontar) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.16 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAk6tdAoACgkQtTMYHG2NR9UdOwCdHJtkqsIz6BVeE8lxhujPUcDi VTAAn3oKT7JXSfLx43KMRE1cEntjhNsm =GKH/ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 10/28/2011 10:29 AM, Linux Tyro wrote:
Hi,
Yes, I am very new here and beginner in Linux too. Can I suggest/ask something regarding openSUSE...? I consider it good to ask first for it since openSUSE says it is an open project, so I am asking.
LT, This list is what makes opensuse shine. It is by far the best all-around opensuse/Linux related list to ask questions on because of the people in this community. Feel free to ask any suse/linux related question here and you can count on getting informed and thoughtful responses. If it is not an appropriate question, you will be politely urged to post that particular question on the appropriate list. In sum this list is the best -- just DON'T 'Top Post'... Welcome... -- David C. Rankin, J.D.,P.E. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 10/29/11 9:09 AM, Togan Muftuoglu wrote:
On 10/29/2011 12:01 AM, Brian K. White wrote:
On 10/28/2011 12:50 PM, Togan Muftuoglu wrote:
That is true and hence there is evergreen as geriatrics service ;)
Togan
What is with Tumbleweed and Evergreen? Is Evergreen for older servers in production a good solution? I heard that Tumbleweed is the future of openSUSE's upgrade strategy, and that it is quite a mess. I have done upgrades in the 9.x and 10.x versions, with unpleasant consequences. I do not have time for upgrade problems any more, and also not for 10.0, 11.0 and 12.0. Could a thread be opened for a discussion on future upgrade and older production system strategies? See: http://news.opensuse.org/2011/01/03/opensuse-finished-2010-big/ Dreiel -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 11/08/2011 06:44 PM, LLLActive@GMX.Net pecked at the keyboard and wrote:
On 10/29/11 9:09 AM, Togan Muftuoglu wrote:
On 10/29/2011 12:01 AM, Brian K. White wrote:
On 10/28/2011 12:50 PM, Togan Muftuoglu wrote:
That is true and hence there is evergreen as geriatrics service ;)
Togan
What is with Tumbleweed and Evergreen? Is Evergreen for older servers in production a good solution? I heard that Tumbleweed is the future of openSUSE's upgrade strategy, and that it is quite a mess. I have done upgrades in the 9.x and 10.x versions, with unpleasant consequences. I do not have time for upgrade problems any more, and also not for 10.0, 11.0 and 12.0.
Then install a newer version on new hardware and when you are satisfied that is running to your satisfaction migrate your data and move it into production, you know the normal way to "upgrade". -- Ken Schneider SuSe since Version 5.2, June 1998 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Wednesday, 2011-11-09 at 00:44 +0100, LLLActive@GMX.Net wrote:
What is with Tumbleweed and Evergreen? Is Evergreen for older servers in production a good solution?
Might be. - -- Cheers, Carlos E. R. (from 11.4 x86_64 "Celadon" at Telcontar) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.16 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAk66SoMACgkQtTMYHG2NR9WMpQCeKKG3oBt1aNwCcs/UWEoqG4Q9 0MAAoJhkEwC28SzevDS1GVsfoLyPdzMI =J3o9 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
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Adam Tauno Williams
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Anton Aylward
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Bob Williams
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Brian K. White
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Carlos E. R.
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David C. Rankin
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Felix Miata
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Greg Freemyer
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Haro de Grauw
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James Knott
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jdd
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John Andersen
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Ken Schneider - openSUSE
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Linux Tyro
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LLLActive@GMX.Net
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Michael S. Dunsavage
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Ricardo Chung
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Robert Schweikert
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Rodney Baker
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Togan Muftuoglu