I think Bruce is simply trying to remind you that

a) this is a member's list and SuSE employees do not necessarily monitor or respond to it, b) any response you get will come from people who have experienced a similar problem and resolved it or who are interested in the problem, c) in either of the cases in b) you may have to wait a while (read possibly a few days) because potential respondents may be on vacation, have a job, etc.

I think his comments arise from the fact that you have asked the same question

Date: Sat, 12 Jul 2003 11:28:24 -0700 Date: Sat, 12 Jul 2003 15:10:24 -0700 Date: Sat, 12 Jul 2003 16:50:55 -0700 Date: Sat, 12 Jul 2003 16:53:46 -0700

While this implies the problem is urgent for you, it is not urgent for some of the rest of us. In fact repeating the question so often so quickly, potentialy without regard for those of us who have dial-up or those of us who pay by the downloaded kB (many in Europe do), can be mis-interpreted as a very self-centered action.

That said - have you tried looking at http://www.OpenOffice.org for any advice?

/Hans Yes, I have been told it is a SuSE problem. Also, if it is not urgent for you then perhaps you could use your time to answer a question and really help someone. That would be more constructive

On Saturday 12 July 2003 08:19 pm, Hans Forbrich wrote: than pointing out my imagined flaws. Perhaps one could even say of your actions, that they might be mis-interpreted as being very self-centered, detrimental, and potentialy without regard for those of us who have dial-up or those of us who pay by the downloaded kB (many in Europe do)! Your needless support of a dead subject and someone elses non productive comments has added to the bit overhead of those same users! So maybe you should "take your own medicine doctor" furthermore, if you have a problem with me or anyone else please ignore or filter. I mean one person not being helpful is enough. When another negetive individual insists on asisting that behaviour, it begs the question: "How effective would the two of you be at beating up old ladies?" Please the world does not revolve around your imagined morals. You will indeed never find me supporting or seconding anyones negative behavior and or comments on this or any other list. Others on this list have posted a question far more times than 4 in a 24 hour period, and taken up many, many bytes posting and responding to dead or over worked issues. So your problems lay elsewhere than with me. Maybe you should get a better ISP service contract. I will continue to ask questions on this list within reason regardless of socialist attitudes. -- Remember: Always think positively and you will prevail. http://www.tuxgames.com http://www.suse.com http://www.linuxformat.co.uk http://www.linuxjournal.com http://www.transgaming.com

On Sunday 13 July 2003 07:09 am, Bruce Marshall wrote:

Wow.... you really have no clue (or manners) on dealing with a volunteer maillist, do you? <PLONK>

Why do you feel the need to attack others behavior, and criticize others in general? Is your life that terrible that criticism, negativity, and pointing out others "flaws" is all you have to offer the world? (no need to answer, these are rhetorical) I'm sorry for you if that is the case. I notice that You devote a great deal of time to criticism of others and little time to posting questions and providing helpful answers. Perhaps this is an attempt to "push my buttons." Regardles of what "this is", I am going to be the one that takes the path of considered action in this situation. This line of "conversation" is not worth the power of thought, nor worth further dignification by any further response from me. In future I will filter your messages at my service. So go ahead and give it your best and certainly endless shot. You know all I did was try to find an answer to a question on this list. Some people are kind enough here to actually refrain from endless criticism and offer helpful ideas and even solutions. I will look to those kind individuals for help. God Bless you and have a nice day. Max.

bespincity@citlink.net [Sun, 13 Jul 2003 07:51:58 -0700]:

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This line of "conversation" is not worth the power of thought, nor worth further dignification by any further response from me. In future I will filter your messages at my service.

Wow, what an impressive display of massive ignorance!

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In future I will filter your messages at my service.

I guess I can relieve you of that burden. Chris, would you consider canceling this persons subscription?

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You know all I did was try to find an answer to a question on this list.

You did it in a way that simply ignores common email etiquette.

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God Bless you and have a nice day.

With the attitude you have shown I don't believe you really mean one word of that sentence and I'd recommend you go somewhere else to alienate people.

Philipp "You did it in a way that simply ignores common email etiquette" , I guess

On Sunday 13 July 2003 12:07, Philipp Thomas wrote: thats not quite as bad as calling others on this ignorant. Certainly, you do not think you are the almighty and know another mans soul? Why dont you come hit me too! you know this has really become OT. You are being ignored because of your abuse. God Bless and good luck. -- Remember: Always think positively and you will prevail. http://www.tuxgames.com http://www.suse.com http://www.linuxformat.co.uk http://www.linuxjournal.com http://www.transgaming.com

Max Webb [Sat, 12 Jul 2003 21:10:05 -0700]:

Perhaps one could even say of your actions, that they might be mis-interpreted as being very self-centered, detrimental, and potentialy without regard for those of us who have dial-up

You still don't get it, do you? You should wait *at least* a day before reposting questions. And if questions don't get answered, chances are high that there's nobody on the list that can answer your question so reposting won't help you a bit. At least I would rather ignore somebody that obviously ignores common etiquette.

Others on this list have posted a question far more times than 4 in a 24 hour period, and taken up many, many bytes posting and responding to dead or over worked issues.

Even if others do you don't have to follow.

I will continue to ask questions on this list within reason regardless of socialist attitudes.

Please get yourself some decent political education before you start using terms that you, judging from that sentence, obviously don't understand. Yes, you may continue to be ignorant but that'll only increase the chances that you'll get yourself forcefully unsubscribed from this list. Philipp

* bespincity@citlink.net (bespincity@citlink.net) [030713 12:12]:

Thank you for your positive and helpful comments. Please post your abuse to someone else. I am not interested in name calling or or flame war mongering, or attacks on others who are posting questions on this list, or defending themselves from such attacks (read the entire thread from begining). Your opinions are your own and your comrads, and I am happy for you. Please find someone else to bug. This is becoming pointless abuse now. If you are more superior, superior enough to point out my flaws and failings, then why don't you take the superior road and ignore this insect that is so vastly inferior to your superiority. Especially since I am not repeatedly bringing up the issue. Good luck to you. God Bless and have a nice day.

I'm not digging into you and really neither was Philipp. He and others are simply trying to explain to you how things work and how this list works. You seem to take offense to any correction in behavior. And after there are several thousand users on this list and if you send 4 - 10 posts a day with the same question that no one has answered for various reasons then it's not proper behavior. You speak of having to pay for dialup and all but you do not take into account that some of us get hundreds of emails a day. We are just trying to give you a bit of information to help you get along in a community. As far as your question about OpenOffice. Please remove all the rpm's that contain OpenOffice. Please remove the openoffice directory in your home directory and along with that remove .sversionrc. Then reinstall the RPM's. This should fix your issue. If those files are removed then nothing will have remained of OpenOffice to conflict with anything and you should be able to reinstall without hassle. You can also make a desktop short cut directly to the executable (ie. swriter) so that you don't have to get weird error messages from SuSE's OO script. It's what I do. :) Please take the first paragraph's comments as a friendly FYI. We just want you to be a productive part of the community so that no one gets annoyed with you and decides to make a procmail rule bouncing all messages sent by you back to you. ;) -- Ben Rosenberg ---===---===---===--- mailto:ben@whack.org ----------------------------------------------------------- This e-mail and any attachment is intended for anyone with an email address and does not contain information that is confidential and privileged or that is of any intrinsic value to anyone.

On Sunday 13 July 2003 13:00, Philipp Thomas wrote:

"bespincity@citlink.net" [13 Jul 2003 12:10:24]:

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I am not interested in name calling or or flame war mongering,

Oh, why don't you then just simply accept the advice from others? For further education I'd strongly recommend reading http://www.math.fu-berlin.de/user/guckes/mail/edit.html

for a good guide to part of the Netiquette.

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(read the entire thread from begining).

What makes you think I didn't? Rest assured, I did read the thread completely.

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Your opinions are your own and your comrads

Oh, what a pleasant gentleman indeed! First complaining that I would be calling names and then doing it himself.

, and I am happy for you.

And again I don't believe you mean one word of that sentence!

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This is becoming pointless abuse now.

As long as you refuse to accept any hint of how to make this mailing list a more pleasant place for all of us and not yourself alone, the discussion won't become pointless.

BTW, please explain to me where this is abuse?

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If you are more superior, superior enough to point out my flaws and failings, then why don't you take the superior road and ignore this insect that is so vastly inferior to your superiority.

I'm not superior, to nobody! I may know a bit more then others here and there but others know more then I do at other points.

Because I was born and live in a country whose history has shown where such belief in superiority does lead, I would *never* allow myself to think like that about anybody.

Why do you think that anybody that tries to explain to you how this list works and therefore *is* trying to help you, is out to insult you?

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Good luck to you. God Bless and have a nice day.

Could you please, at least in conversation with me, just refrain from such self-righteous phrases? From how you write, you can't really believe these.

perhaps I should have used the word compadres. What do you want from me? I mean really? You need to calm down. You are making a bunch of assumptions. And please dont assume you know what I think or beleive. You dont. You are beating a dead horse. And by the way I will damn well say God Bless to anyone I feel too. Dont you know that you our anyone else can seperate man from God. If you know what I think, then you would know that I was sincire. What do you want from me??????? Feel good now? Maybe I should pass these mails on to someone at SuSE LLC. Please stop. thank you. Remember: Always think positively and you will prevail. http://www.tuxgames.com http://www.suse.com http://www.linuxformat.co.uk http://www.linuxjournal.com http://www.transgaming.com

"bespincity@citlink.net" [13 Jul 2003 13:25]:

perhaps I should have used the word compadres.

What for? What are you trying to imply? Oh, you're still trying that nonsense 'socialist' twist?

What do you want from me? I mean really?

I just would like you to acknowledge that, though you meant good, you have violated common curtesy rules as they apply to e-mail communication and mailing lists.

And please don't assume you know what I think or beleive.

Yes, I don't know, but the way you articulate yourself does give the person reading your mails quite a distinctive picture.

Don't you know that you or anyone else CAN'T seperate man from God.

Would you accept that there are people on this planet that don't share that view? But could we please leave out religious discussions, in fact *all* religious vocabulary? This is a pure technical mailing list where political, religious, in fact any non-technical subjects are strictly off-topic.

Feel good now?

No, I sincerely regret having tried to discuss with you, as you seem to be unable to do so. So the only thing to keep my temper at a healthy level is a *PLONK*.

Maybe I should pass these mails on to someone at SuSE LLC.

Oh, who are you trying to scare? Definitely not me :) So go ahead, the URL to do so is http://www.suse.de/feedback . Just remember I'm doing this in my free time and *nobody* is paying me for this. If this would have been an official support forum (which it isn't), I would just have pointed out politely to stop posting multiple times and then ignored the rest.

Remember: Always think positively and you will prevail.

Having just added an entry to my killfile, I can do so again :) Philipp

* Michael Long [07-13-03 22:52]:

On Sun, 2003-07-13 at 23:14, Philipp Thomas wrote:

[big snip...]

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Having just added an entry to my killfile, I can do so again :)

Please give it a rest. It is apparent that you have very different points of view. I would suggest that it would be in everyones best interest for you *to agree to disagree* and lets get back to the task of administering our systems. If you must continue this banter please do it offline.

[top posting and full quoting beneath corrected ...] Apparently with your posting/quoting style you failed to read the pertinent parts (along with your failure to trim the irrelevant parts). Philipp *ended* the conversation which you resurrected. gud luk, -- Patrick Shanahan Registered Linux User #207535 http://wahoo.no-ip.org @ http://counter.li.org