[opensuse] Change desktop background KDE4
How does one change the KDE4 desktop background to something that looks decent? -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
* James Knott
How does one change the KDE4 desktop background to something that looks decent?
You *really* cannot find it? <right-click> on the desktop and choose "Desktop Settings" If you really dis-like KDE(4) so much, why do you continue to use it and to deride it. There are a lot of other desktops available. You might even grow to like gnome, iirc you used to talk the same way about it. -- Patrick Shanahan Plainfield, Indiana, USA HOG # US1244711 http://wahoo.no-ip.org Photo Album: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/gallery2 Registered Linux User #207535 @ http://counter.li.org -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Patrick Shanahan wrote:
* James Knott
[07-22-10 14:55]: How does one change the KDE4 desktop background to something that looks decent?
You *really* cannot find it?
<right-click> on the desktop and choose "Desktop Settings"
If you really dis-like KDE(4) so much, why do you continue to use it and to deride it. There are a lot of other desktops available. You might even grow to like gnome, iirc you used to talk the same way about it.
Curious it wasn't under Personal Settings (Configure Desktop) as in KDE 3. I have used KDE for many years and it's a real shame what's happened to it. I've never cared for Gnome, as I found it was too "dumbed down" for my tastes. It appears KDE is following suit. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Thursday 22 July 2010 21:39:20 James Knott wrote:
Patrick Shanahan wrote:
* James Knott
[07-22-10 14:55]: How does one change the KDE4 desktop background to something that looks decent?
You *really* cannot find it?
<right-click> on the desktop and choose "Desktop Settings"
If you really dis-like KDE(4) so much, why do you continue to use it and to deride it. There are a lot of other desktops available. You might even grow to like gnome, iirc you used to talk the same way about it.
Curious it wasn't under Personal Settings (Configure Desktop) as in KDE 3.
I have used KDE for many years and it's a real shame what's happened to it. I've never cared for Gnome, as I found it was too "dumbed down" for my tastes. It appears KDE is following suit.
Back when KDE 3 ruled the world, the peanut gallery told us that Personal Settings (kcontrol) contained too many, badly organised settings, so for KDE 4 we moved some settings dialogs out of kcontrol and onto their actual workspace elements, principle of locality. In addition, Plasma Desktop allows you to have many elements (panels, wallpapers, widgets) in arbitrary, nested structures which would be hard to present to the user in a standalone config app in a way that they could understand what they are configuring. Access to settings from the element itself seemed more intuitive. Consider as an alternative a settings module containing a treeview of desktop elements, and a config pane for the currently selected element. The tree would be something like this for a default desktop (this is roughly the tree that plasma-desktop-appletsrc contains: Desktop1 /Background /Wallpaper /Mouse Actions /Panel 1 /Widget 1.1 /Widget 1.2 /... /Widget 1.10 (a system tray) /Widget 1.10.1 Desktop 2 /Background /Wallpaper (because everyone complained when wallpaper-per-desktop was unavailable until recently) ... You can't label those anonymous elements with widget names; most people confuse System Tray with Task Manager half the time, myself included. What you would end up doing to make this usable would be including a thumbnail of the desktop and highlighting the currently selected element, which is back to the locality principle. The third option would be to play to 'I don't need more than one panel containing a menu, a task manager, a pager, a system tray, a clock and a lock/logout button and a wallpaper that changes per virtual desktop just like in KDE 3 thank you very much' and provide a settings module that allows only those elements to be configured. While that would undoubtedly be mana from heaven to many KDE 4 critics, it is the "dumbed down" approach when compared to local settings and a separate treeview. I agree that moving configuration between versions is disruptive, but if you assume good faith towards our users, can you see that we were trying to design configuration that would accomodate the needs of basic users, power users and innovative workspace designs? Will -- Will Stephenson, openSUSE Team SUSE LINUX Products GmbH - Nürnberg - AG Nürnberg - HRB 16746 - GF: Markus Rex -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Thursday 22 July 2010 20:52:50 James Knott wrote:
How does one change the KDE4 desktop background to something that looks decent?
Click and drag any image to the desktop and see what happens Anders -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
* Anders Johansson
On Thursday 22 July 2010 20:52:50 James Knott wrote:
How does one change the KDE4 desktop background to something that looks decent?
Click and drag any image to the desktop and see what happens
I wonder if that fits "dumbed down" previously mentioned ??? -- Patrick Shanahan Plainfield, Indiana, USA HOG # US1244711 http://wahoo.no-ip.org Photo Album: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/gallery2 Registered Linux User #207535 @ http://counter.li.org -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Thu, Jul 22, 2010 at 3:45 PM, Anders Johansson
On Thursday 22 July 2010 20:52:50 James Knott wrote:
How does one change the KDE4 desktop background to something that looks decent?
Click and drag any image to the desktop and see what happens
Anders
Not quite what I was expecting. I originally had the globe at night picture as my background. I dragged in a JPG file I had. I assumed it would become my static background. Now I have a slideshow of pictures from somewhere rotating through my desktop. I seem to get a new picture every 10 seconds. Is that what it was supposed to do? fyi: The new picture is one of the ones that displays. I'd guess about 10 total. Greg -- Greg Freemyer Head of EDD Tape Extraction and Processing team Litigation Triage Solutions Specialist http://www.linkedin.com/in/gregfreemyer CNN/TruTV Aired Forensic Imaging Demo - http://insession.blogs.cnn.com/2010/03/23/how-computer-evidence-gets-retriev... The Norcross Group The Intersection of Evidence & Technology http://www.norcrossgroup.com -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Thursday 22 July 2010 21:59:21 Greg Freemyer wrote:
Not quite what I was expecting.
I originally had the globe at night picture as my background.
I dragged in a JPG file I had. I assumed it would become my static background.
Now I have a slideshow of pictures from somewhere rotating through my desktop. I seem to get a new picture every 10 seconds. Is that what it was supposed to do?
fyi: The new picture is one of the ones that displays. I'd guess about 10 total.
Interesting bug. When the background type already is an image, it works perfectly. For some reason, when it isn't already an image, it switches to the slideshow instead of the chosen image. Anders -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Thursday 22 July 2010 22:08:03 Anders Johansson wrote:
On Thursday 22 July 2010 21:59:21 Greg Freemyer wrote:
Not quite what I was expecting.
I originally had the globe at night picture as my background.
I dragged in a JPG file I had. I assumed it would become my static background.
Now I have a slideshow of pictures from somewhere rotating through my desktop. I seem to get a new picture every 10 seconds. Is that what it was supposed to do?
fyi: The new picture is one of the ones that displays. I'd guess about 10 total.
Interesting bug.
When the background type already is an image, it works perfectly. For some reason, when it isn't already an image, it switches to the slideshow instead of the chosen image.
Confirmed, investigating. Anyone want to report it so my work report looks good? There's no 'Spent the week monitoring opensuse@ and making people happy' in our time tracker. Will -- Will Stephenson, openSUSE Team SUSE LINUX Products GmbH - Nürnberg - AG Nürnberg - HRB 16746 - GF: Markus Rex -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Dotan,
<Intentional Top Post>
I see you're still offering to create KDE4 bugzillas, so here's an easy one.
Greg
On Fri, Jul 23, 2010 at 2:05 AM, Will Stephenson
On Thursday 22 July 2010 22:08:03 Anders Johansson wrote:
On Thursday 22 July 2010 21:59:21 Greg Freemyer wrote:
Not quite what I was expecting.
I originally had the globe at night picture as my background.
I dragged in a JPG file I had. I assumed it would become my static background.
Now I have a slideshow of pictures from somewhere rotating through my desktop. I seem to get a new picture every 10 seconds. Is that what it was supposed to do?
fyi: The new picture is one of the ones that displays. I'd guess about 10 total.
Interesting bug.
When the background type already is an image, it works perfectly. For some reason, when it isn't already an image, it switches to the slideshow instead of the chosen image.
Confirmed, investigating. Anyone want to report it so my work report looks good? There's no 'Spent the week monitoring opensuse@ and making people happy' in our time tracker.
Will -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Fri, Jul 23, 2010 at 16:35, Greg Freemyer
Dotan,
<Intentional Top Post>
I see you're still offering to create KDE4 bugzillas, so here's an easy one.
Thanks!
Greg
On Fri, Jul 23, 2010 at 2:05 AM, Will Stephenson
wrote: On Thursday 22 July 2010 22:08:03 Anders Johansson wrote:
On Thursday 22 July 2010 21:59:21 Greg Freemyer wrote:
Not quite what I was expecting.
I originally had the globe at night picture as my background.
I dragged in a JPG file I had. I assumed it would become my static background.
Now I have a slideshow of pictures from somewhere rotating through my desktop. I seem to get a new picture every 10 seconds. Is that what it was supposed to do?
fyi: The new picture is one of the ones that displays. I'd guess about 10 total.
Interesting bug.
When the background type already is an image, it works perfectly. For some reason, when it isn't already an image, it switches to the slideshow instead of the chosen image.
Confirmed, investigating. Anyone want to report it so my work report looks good? There's no 'Spent the week monitoring opensuse@ and making people happy' in our time tracker.
Will
What was the background type if not image? Might it have been "slideshow", because if so then I would say that this is expected behaviour. Also, which KDE version? Thanks. -- Dotan Cohen http://gibberish.co.il http://what-is-what.com -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Sun, Jul 25, 2010 at 11:29 AM, Dotan Cohen
On Fri, Jul 23, 2010 at 16:35, Greg Freemyer
wrote: Dotan,
<Intentional Top Post>
I see you're still offering to create KDE4 bugzillas, so here's an easy one.
Thanks!
Greg
On Fri, Jul 23, 2010 at 2:05 AM, Will Stephenson
wrote: On Thursday 22 July 2010 22:08:03 Anders Johansson wrote:
On Thursday 22 July 2010 21:59:21 Greg Freemyer wrote:
Not quite what I was expecting.
I originally had the globe at night picture as my background.
I dragged in a JPG file I had. I assumed it would become my static background.
Now I have a slideshow of pictures from somewhere rotating through my desktop. I seem to get a new picture every 10 seconds. Is that what it was supposed to do?
fyi: The new picture is one of the ones that displays. I'd guess about 10 total.
Interesting bug.
When the background type already is an image, it works perfectly. For some reason, when it isn't already an image, it switches to the slideshow instead of the chosen image.
Confirmed, investigating. Anyone want to report it so my work report looks good? There's no 'Spent the week monitoring opensuse@ and making people happy' in our time tracker.
Will
What was the background type if not image? Might it have been "slideshow", because if so then I would say that this is expected behaviour.
Also, which KDE version? Thanks.
I already filed it, but I tested with "Globe - at night" as the background before the drag and drop. And KDE 4.4.4 is what OS 11.3 has and is what I put on the bugzilla. Greg -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Sun, Jul 25, 2010 at 20:21, Greg Freemyer
I already filed it, but I tested with "Globe - at night" as the background before the drag and drop.
And KDE 4.4.4 is what OS 11.3 has and is what I put on the bugzilla.
Great, thanks. What's the bug number, I'll triage and maybe file upstream too if I can reproduce in another distro. Searching the Suse bugtracker for "background slideshow" and sorting by ID did not turn up a recent related bug. Thanks. -- Dotan Cohen http://gibberish.co.il http://what-is-what.com -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Sun, Jul 25, 2010 at 1:54 PM, Dotan Cohen
On Sun, Jul 25, 2010 at 20:21, Greg Freemyer
wrote: I already filed it, but I tested with "Globe - at night" as the background before the drag and drop.
And KDE 4.4.4 is what OS 11.3 has and is what I put on the bugzilla.
Great, thanks. What's the bug number, I'll triage and maybe file upstream too if I can reproduce in another distro. Searching the Suse bugtracker for "background slideshow" and sorting by ID did not turn up a recent related bug.
I only filed it upstream and http://bugs.kde.org/ seems to be down so I can't search for it, but my user account there is greg.freemyer@gmail.com and I've only filed a few bus at kde.org, so it should be easy to find. Greg -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Mon, Jul 26, 2010 at 00:45, Greg Freemyer
I only filed it upstream and http://bugs.kde.org/ seems to be down so I can't search for it, but my user account there is greg.freemyer@gmail.com and I've only filed a few bus at kde.org, so it should be easy to find.
Greg
I see that Will confirmed it, great. I cannot reproduce as Marble doesn't work here :( -- Dotan Cohen http://gibberish.co.il http://what-is-what.com -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Tuesday 27 July 2010 20:26:46 Dotan Cohen wrote:
On Mon, Jul 26, 2010 at 00:45, Greg Freemyer
wrote: I only filed it upstream and http://bugs.kde.org/ seems to be down so I can't search for it, but my user account there is greg.freemyer@gmail.com and I've only filed a few bus at kde.org, so it should be easy to find.
Greg
I see that Will confirmed it, great. I cannot reproduce as Marble doesn't work here :(
Nailed https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=245606: when a file is dropped on the desktop, its mimetype is evaluated to see what widgets or wallpaper plugins can be activated to handle it. When it is a wallpaper, the plugin expects two arguments: the URL to display (of the file) and the rendering mode to use. The rendering mode passed is an empty string, which according to the API means use the default mode. However in the implementation of the Image wallpaper plugin[1], which has two modes, Single Image and Slideshow, all the logic is based on a positive test for Single Image - any other value (eg an empty string) falls back to SlideShow. I have added a test patch to the openSUSE kdebase4-workspace KDE:Distro:Stable packages that treats an empty string rendering mode in the Image wallpaper as Single Image, but I am going to pursue a proper fix in the Wallpaper base class on plasma-devel@ before closing the bug. Please test the fix. Dotan, the bug manifests whenever dropping an image onto the desktop and the current wallpaper mode is not Image or Slideshow. Will [1] http://websvn.kde.org/branches/KDE/4.4/kdebase/workspace/plasma/generic/wall papers/image/image.cpp?view=markup -- Will Stephenson, KDE Developer, openSUSE Boosters Team SUSE LINUX Products GmbH - Nürnberg - AG Nürnberg - HRB 16746 - GF: Markus Rex -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Bueller? Bueller? (I'd really like some feedback before I push this out as an online update) Will On Thursday 29 July 2010 14:15:16 Will Stephenson wrote:
Nailed https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=245606: when a file is dropped on the desktop, its mimetype is evaluated to see what widgets or wallpaper plugins can be activated to handle it. When it is a wallpaper, the plugin expects two arguments: the URL to display (of the file) and the rendering mode to use. The rendering mode passed is an empty string, which according to the API means use the default mode. However in the implementation of the Image wallpaper plugin[1], which has two modes, Single Image and Slideshow, all the logic is based on a positive test for Single Image - any other value (eg an empty string) falls back to SlideShow.
I have added a test patch to the openSUSE kdebase4-workspace KDE:Distro:Stable packages that treats an empty string rendering mode in the Image wallpaper as Single Image, but I am going to pursue a proper fix in the Wallpaper base class on plasma-devel@ before closing the bug.
Please test the fix.
Dotan, the bug manifests whenever dropping an image onto the desktop and the current wallpaper mode is not Image or Slideshow.
Will
[1] http://websvn.kde.org/branches/KDE/4.4/kdebase/workspace/plasma/generic/wal l papers/image/image.cpp?view=markup
-- Will Stephenson, KDE Developer, openSUSE Boosters Team SUSE LINUX Products GmbH - Nürnberg - AG Nürnberg - HRB 16746 - GF: Markus Rex
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On 2010/07/22 21:45 (GMT+0200) Anders Johansson composed:
On Thursday 22 July 2010 20:52:50 James Knott wrote:
How does one change the KDE4 desktop background to something that looks decent?
Click and drag any image to the desktop and see what happens
I went in Firefox to http://www.google.com/imghp?hl=en&tab=wi and dragged the image on the left under the Google box to a desktop area showing beside Firefox. It briefly displayed a tooltip describing the image, but had no apparent effect on the desktop background. If it had worked, how would I get it back to the way it was (is undo hiding post-drag; does undo even exist for wallpaper change by drag; does wallpaper change by drag exist)? On a related front - where do I go to get the panel not to sort applications by name, but instead place in order application was opened (like Windows originally did by default, & maybe still does)? -- "The wise are known for their understanding, and pleasant words are persuasive." Proverbs 16:21 (New Living Translation) Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Friday 23 July 2010 04:58:42 Felix Miata wrote:
On a related front - where do I go to get the panel not to sort applications by name, but instead place in order application was opened (like Windows originally did by default, & maybe still does)?
In KDE SC 4.4 (11.3), right click an empty bit of the task manager* on the panel, select 'Task Manager Settings'. Under 'Grouping and Sorting', change Sorting to 'Do not sort'. HTH Will * Not necessary in 4.5 - Task Manager Settings is present in the context menu wherever you click on the task manager. -- Will Stephenson, openSUSE Team SUSE LINUX Products GmbH - Nürnberg - AG Nürnberg - HRB 16746 - GF: Markus Rex -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
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Anders Johansson
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