Re: [opensuse] Re: On suse being difficult ...
Ted Byers wrote: <snip>
I took a look at a number of web pages describing how to install, or reinstall OS X, and that does not seem to be significantly different in complexity from any other OS. Tony, you're either over stating the simplicity of installing OS X or you're in good company in overstating the difficulty of installing Linux, or both.
<snip> I had to respond to this. Any fool can put an OS X system disk into any Apple box and be on the air in 20 minutes, and most of that time is spent having a beer. That is somewhat of a "cheat" because one is only going to put an OS X disk into an Apple box (unless they're running Virtual Box); there is no fussing with various video drivers, various CPUs, various ethernet cards, various sound cards, and the list goes on. The situation is pre-destined for success. And I would say that in 1999 (or maybe earlier), when I stuffed my first Caldera install disk into a big ugly desktop box, the installation was close to that for the Mac Powerbook that I had at the time (and still own). But no longer. There is a large contingent of linux users that like to feel "more skilled" in that they have the ability to tweak a linux box to act in an appropriate fashion. But there are others that view a computer as a screwdriver, i.e. a tool to get something else done. For those, the computer is not the end unto itself, and those users will pick the shortest, simplest route to getting work done. There was a time when I viewed an open-source Linux box as the wave of the future. That time has passed. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
Le 19/06/2014 07:45, Tony Alfrey a écrit :
That is somewhat of a "cheat" because one is only going to put an OS X disk into an Apple box (unless they're running Virtual Box); there is no fussing with various video drivers, various CPUs, various ethernet cards, various sound cards, and the list goes on. The situation is pre-destined for success.
yes, like it takes only a few step to reinstall a windows bow from the special partition (or the backup dvd's) installing Linux was nearly never "pre" done. Installing OSX on non apple computer is possible but forgiven and tricky, installing any Windows but the very primary one on any computer is from long and diffuclt to impossible. some Linuxes, including openSUSE are pretty easy to install on 90% of the computers. installing an OS is *never* easy and very few people do. even restoring windows is above many users ability (they change computer or ask the seller) jdd -- http://www.dodin.org -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On Thu, Jun 19, 2014 at 7:45 AM, Tony Alfrey
But no longer.
There is a large contingent of linux users that like to feel "more skilled" in that they have the ability to tweak a linux box to act in an appropriate fashion. But there are others that view a computer as a screwdriver, i.e. a tool to get something else done. For those, the computer is not the end unto itself, and those users will pick the shortest, simplest route to getting work done. There was a time when I viewed an open-source Linux box as the wave of the future. That time has passed.
Just my experience.... but.. I can't agree with you in any way shape or form. I install openSUSE on various machines - all modern-ish hardware (eg systems with at least 1.6GHz Atoms or intel i3, 2GB ram etc). If the system has a DVD drive I pop in a DVD I made after downloading the ISO. I boot... I answer a couple questions and wait. A few minutes later the system reboots and it comes up to the desktop I selected (usually KDE4). Everything just works. There is no twiddling, no farting about finding solutions to weird problems. I get a fully functioning OS with a high load of applications preinstalled. I don't have to do anything at this point except simply use the computer. I do add Packman, KDE4 and mozilla repositories, but that's not needed to have a complete and functioning openSUSE install. How easy is it? A friend who thinks rebooting their PC means turning the monitor off and back on wanted to clean up their system. I gave then an openSUSE DVD. Said "boot this, answer the questions is gives you, and if you have any questions, call me". Silence. About 3 hours later I call the person "are you OK, did it work?" His answer.. "oh yah, I've been working on it for about 2 hours now. What's this LibreOffice thing? I like it, can I have it on my other Windows computer too?" I kind of miss the old days of spending hours puzzling out an odd problem. I so rarely have to do that these days that I'm getting rusty on those skills. C -- openSUSE 13.1 x86_64, KDE 4.13 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
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