A very poor friend gave me his Packard Bell Celeron 366 & 64M of RAM to "fix". The originally planned fix was the usual one, reinstall doze 98 to get rid of the junkware, trojans, spyware & virii. Once I got that done, I talked him into converting to multiboot with Linux. He said OK, but only afterward did I think about the limited RAM problem. I stuck in another 32M stick & tried to do an FTP 9.1 install. After about 10 hours of errors and only 15% complete due to excess swap churning, I stole a 128M stick out of another machine to retry the install, and that is now finished. Now I need to pull my 128M back out (and my NIC). I can let him keep my 32M stick, for an installed total of 96M. He'll be on dialup only. So, I can reduce overhead by disabling at least some portion of the network, but how do I do that? If I use runlevel editor to disable network in 3 & 5, will dialup still work? What else can I uninstall or disable to ease the pain of only 96M of RAM (until he can get more, if he can at all)? Is there some HOWTO that covers this (if so, where)? -- "Blessed is the nation whose God is the Lord." Psalm 33:12 NIV Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 Felix Miata *** http://members.ij.net/mrmazda/
* Felix Miata <mrmazda@ij.net> [09-29-04 10:51]:
Now I need to pull my 128M back out (and my NIC). I can let him keep my 32M stick, for an installed total of 96M. He'll be on dialup only. So, I can reduce overhead by disabling at least some portion of the network, but how do I do that? If I use runlevel editor to disable network in 3 & 5, will dialup still work? What else can I uninstall or disable to ease the pain of only 96M of RAM (until he can get more, if he can at all)? Is there some HOWTO that covers this (if so, where)?
Do not disable networking. Networking is not what is using memory, it is the X-window display, kde or gnome. Change is window manager to Xfce and you will run fine. -- Patrick Shanahan Registered Linux User #207535 http://wahoo.no-ip.org @ http://counter.li.org HOG # US1244711 Photo Album: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/photos
On Wednesday 29 September 2004 10:57, Patrick Shanahan wrote:
* Felix Miata <mrmazda@ij.net> [09-29-04 10:51]:
Now I need to pull my 128M back out (and my NIC). I can let him keep my 32M stick, for an installed total of 96M. He'll be on dialup only. So, I can reduce overhead by disabling at least some portion of the network, but how do I do that? If I use runlevel editor to disable network in 3 & 5, will dialup still work? What else can I uninstall or disable to ease the pain of only 96M of RAM (until he can get more, if he can at all)? Is there some HOWTO that covers this (if so, where)?
Do not disable networking. Networking is not what is using memory, it is the X-window display, kde or gnome. Change is window manager to Xfce and you will run fine.
I agree as to XFCE. It is a very good desktop. Be sure you don't use the one that came with SuSE. Delete that copy, using YAST. Then go to the XFCE web site (www.sfce.com) and follow the instructions to get to the web site from which you can get the RPMs of version 4.6 available for SuSE 9.1. dj tuchler
On Wed, 2004-09-29 at 12:11, Dennis J. Tuchler wrote:
On Wednesday 29 September 2004 10:57, Patrick Shanahan wrote: I agree as to XFCE. It is a very good desktop. Be sure you don't use the one that came with SuSE. Delete that copy, using YAST. Then go to the XFCE web site (www.sfce.com) and follow the instructions to get to the web site from which you can get the RPMs of version 4.6 available for SuSE 9.1.
dj tuchler
Wrong link. www.xfce.com I hate when the fingers don't follow what the brain says to do. :) -- Ken Schneider unix user since 1989 linux user since 1994 SuSE user since 1998 (5.2) * PLEASE only reply to the list * 2 to go
On Wed, 2004-09-29 at 13:07, Ken Schneider wrote:
On Wed, 2004-09-29 at 12:11, Dennis J. Tuchler wrote:
On Wednesday 29 September 2004 10:57, Patrick Shanahan wrote: I agree as to XFCE. It is a very good desktop. Be sure you don't use the one that came with SuSE. Delete that copy, using YAST. Then go to the XFCE web site (www.sfce.com) and follow the instructions to get to the web site from which you can get the RPMs of version 4.6 available for SuSE 9.1.
dj tuchler
Wrong link.
www.xfce.com
I hate when the fingers don't follow what the brain says to do. :)
Wrong again. www.xfce.org will work. -- Ken Schneider unix user since 1989 linux user since 1994 SuSE user since 1998 (5.2) * PLEASE only reply to the list *
www.xfce.org will work.
Now, a really dumb question -- I've been using red-carpet and yast for updates, but I do have apt4rpm installed, and do seem to have the suser-ollakka "source" in my /etc/apt/sources.list file... How do I install it from the command line? apt install xfce just installs the 3.8 one that comes with SuSE 9.1. Steve
Now, a really dumb question -- I've been using red-carpet and yast for updates, but I do have apt4rpm installed, and do seem to have the suser-ollakka "source" in my /etc/apt/sources.list file... How do I install it from the command line? apt install xfce just installs the 3.8 one that comes with SuSE 9.1.
Got it running-- Good ol' command-line rpm -Uvh ;) Seems like a nice little desktop, never used it before, but definately makes my old Celeron 366 laptop a lot snappier.
Steve Kratz wrote:
Got it running-- Good ol' command-line rpm -Uvh ;)
"It"? http://ftp.gwdg.de/pub/linux/suse/apt/SuSE/9.1-i386/RPMS.suser-ollakka/ has 27 rpms. Where do I start? Do I do them all? -- "Blessed is the nation whose God is the Lord." Psalm 33:12 NIV Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 Felix Miata *** http://members.ij.net/mrmazda/
http://ftp.gwdg.de/pub/linux/suse/apt/SuSE/9.1-i386/RPMS.suser-ollakka/ has 27 rpms. Where do I start? Do I do them all?
That's what I did - Tossed them in a directory, rpm -Uvh *.rpm It complained about one dependency (gtk2-services) but that was easy to get via apt. After that, I ran SuSEconfig & ldconfig (as root), logged out of KDE, and xfce was a new menu option on the logon menu.
Op woensdag 29 september 2004 22:10, schreef Steve Kratz:
http://ftp.gwdg.de/pub/linux/suse/apt/SuSE/9.1-i386/RPMS.suser-ollakka/ has 27 rpms. Where do I start? Do I do them all?
That's what I did - Tossed them in a directory, rpm -Uvh *.rpm
It complained about one dependency (gtk2-services) but that was easy to get via apt. After that, I ran SuSEconfig & ldconfig (as root), logged out of KDE, and xfce was a new menu option on the logon menu.
Name : xfce4 Relocations: (not relocateable) Summary : Meta package to install XFce4 Description : Meta package to install xfce4 apt install xfce4, would be sufficient... -- Richard Bos Without a home the journey is endless
* Richard Bos <radoeka@xs4all.nl> [09-29-04 15:28]:
Name : xfce4 Relocations: (not relocateable) Summary : Meta package to install XFce4 Description : Meta package to install xfce4
apt install xfce4, would be sufficient...
apt -y install xfce4 Reading Package Lists... Done Building Dependency Tree... Done The following extra packages will be installed: dbh gtk-xfce-engine xfce-mcs-plugins xfce-utils xfce4-iconbox xfce4-mixer xfce4-panel xfce4-systray xfce4-themes xfce4-toys xfce4-trigger-launcher xfdesktop xffm xffm-icons xfprint xfwm4-themes The following NEW packages will be installed: dbh gtk-xfce-engine xfce-mcs-plugins xfce-utils xfce4 xfce4-iconbox xfce4-mixer xfce4-panel xfce4-systray xfce4-themes xfce4-toys xfce4-trigger-launcher xfdesktop xffm xffm-icons xfprint xfwm4-themes 0 upgraded, 17 newly installed, 0 removed and 11 not upgraded. Need to get 0B/11.9MB of archives. After unpacking 19.6MB of additional disk space will be used. Committing changes... Preparing... ########################################### [100%] file /opt/gnome/share/themes/Xfce-b5/gtk-2.0/gtkrc from install of gtk-xfce-engine-2.1.10-1suse90 conflicts with file from package gtk2-engines-2.2.0-400.SuSE.ulb.1 file /opt/gnome/share/themes/Xfce-basic/gtk-2.0/gtkrc from install of gtk-xfce-engine-2.1.10-1suse90 conflicts with file from package gtk2-engines-2.2.0-400.SuSE.ulb.1 file /opt/gnome/share/themes/Xfce-curve/gtk-2.0/gtkrc from install of gtk-xfce-engine-2.1.10-1suse90 conflicts with file from package gtk2-engines-2.2.0-400.SuSE.ulb.1 file /opt/gnome/share/themes/Xfce-kolors/gtk-2.0/gtkrc from install of gtk-xfce-engine-2.1.10-1suse90 conflicts with file from package gtk2-engines-2.2.0-400.SuSE.ulb.1 file /opt/gnome/share/themes/Xfce-light/gtk-2.0/gtkrc from install of gtk-xfce-engine-2.1.10-1suse90 conflicts with file from package gtk2-engines-2.2.0-400.SuSE.ulb.1 file /opt/gnome/share/themes/Xfce-redmondxp/gtk-2.0/gtkrc from install of gtk-xfce-engine-2.1.10-1suse90 conflicts with file from package gtk2-engines-2.2.0-400.SuSE.ulb.1 file /opt/gnome/share/themes/Xfce-saltlake/gtk-2.0/gtkrc from install of gtk-xfce-engine-2.1.10-1suse90 conflicts with file from package gtk2-engines-2.2.0-400.SuSE.ulb.1 file /opt/gnome/share/themes/Xfce-stellar/gtk-2.0/gtkrc from install of gtk-xfce-engine-2.1.10-1suse90 conflicts with file from package gtk2-engines-2.2.0-400.SuSE.ulb.1 file /opt/gnome/share/themes/Xfce/gtk-2.0/gtkrc from install of gtk-xfce-engine-2.1.10-1suse90 conflicts with file from package gtk2-engines-2.2.0-400.SuSE.ulb.1 E: Error while running transaction -- Patrick Shanahan Registered Linux User #207535 http://wahoo.no-ip.org @ http://counter.li.org HOG # US1244711 Photo Album: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/photos
Op woensdag 29 september 2004 23:26, schreef Patrick Shanahan:
apt -y install xfce4
Reading Package Lists... Done Building Dependency Tree... Done The following extra packages will be installed: dbh gtk-xfce-engine xfce-mcs-plugins xfce-utils xfce4-iconbox xfce4-mixer xfce4-panel xfce4-systray xfce4-themes xfce4-toys xfce4-trigger-launcher xfdesktop xffm xffm-icons xfprint xfwm4-themes The following NEW packages will be installed: dbh gtk-xfce-engine xfce-mcs-plugins xfce-utils xfce4 xfce4-iconbox xfce4-mixer xfce4-panel xfce4-systray xfce4-themes xfce4-toys xfce4-trigger-launcher xfdesktop xffm xffm-icons xfprint xfwm4-themes 0 upgraded, 17 newly installed, 0 removed and 11 not upgraded. Need to get 0B/11.9MB of archives. After unpacking 19.6MB of additional disk space will be used. Committing changes... Preparing... ########################################### [100%] file /opt/gnome/share/themes/Xfce-b5/gtk-2.0/gtkrc from install of gtk-xfce-engine-2.1.10-1suse90 conflicts with file from package gtk2-engines-2.2.0-400.SuSE.ulb.1
rpm is complaining here, although it seems to come from apt. Solution: 'man apt' ;) RPM OPTIONS --force-rpm Rpm option --force. -- Richard Bos Without a home the journey is endless
* Richard Bos <radoeka@xs4all.nl> [09-30-04 01:45]:
rpm is complaining here, although it seems to come from apt.
Solution: 'man apt' ;)
RPM OPTIONS
--force-rpm Rpm option --force.
OK, I understood about the 'force', but was hesitant to use as I do not understand fully the consequences. I made the install and everything *seems* ok, xfce4 is available and runs and nothing else burped except: 1:dbh ########################################### [ 6%] /sbin/ldconfig: relative path 1' used to build cache error: %post(dbh-1.0.15-2) scriptlet failed, exit status 1 and: apt executing: /sbin/ldconfig W: Some errors occurred while running transaction Subsequent initiatin of SuSEconfig and ldconfig completed w/o any errors. dbh shows successful install and from what I see in the rpm, the post script is just an echo of text: echo "Libraries has been placed in %{prefix}/lib" echo "Headers have been placed in %{prefix}/include" Is this something to worry about? I would think not! -- Patrick Shanahan Registered Linux User #207535 http://wahoo.no-ip.org @ http://counter.li.org HOG # US1244711 Photo Album: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/photos
Op donderdag 30 september 2004 22:49, schreef Patrick Shanahan:
--force-rpm Rpm option --force.
OK, I understood about the 'force', but was hesitant to use as I do not understand fully the consequences. I made the install and everything *seems* ok, xfce4 is available and runs and nothing else burped except:
1:dbh ########################################### [ 6%] /sbin/ldconfig: relative path 1' used to build cache error: %post(dbh-1.0.15-2) scriptlet failed, exit status 1
This is an error from rpm...
and:
apt executing: /sbin/ldconfig W: Some errors occurred while running transaction
That's because rpm errored
Subsequent initiatin of SuSEconfig and ldconfig completed w/o any errors.
dbh shows successful install and from what I see in the rpm, the post script is just an echo of text:
echo "Libraries has been placed in %{prefix}/lib" echo "Headers have been placed in %{prefix}/include"
I would expect to see /sbin/ldconfig there...
Is this something to worry about? I would think not!
I prefer to see no errors..... but as your system seems to run fine, I wouldn't worry. -- Richard Bos Without a home the journey is endless
Steve Kratz wrote:
Felix Miata wrote:
http://ftp.gwdg.de/pub/linux/suse/apt/SuSE/9.1-i386/RPMS.suser-ollakka/ has 27 rpms. Where do I start? Do I do them all?
That's what I did - Tossed them in a directory, rpm -Uvh *.rpm
It complained about one dependency (gtk2-services) but that was easy to get via apt. After that, I ran SuSEconfig & ldconfig (as root), logged out of KDE, and xfce was a new menu option on the logon menu.
Not for me. :-( It complained about 3 missing packages. I installed those with YaST, then did rpm -Uvh *rpm. That seemed to run without complaint, as did SuSEconfig and ldconfig afterward. However, no XFCE in the KDM menu, even after reboot, only: Default Custom FVWM KDE TWM Windowmaker admin Failsafe Now what do I do? -- "Blessed is the nation whose God is the Lord." Psalm 33:12 NIV Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 Felix Miata *** http://members.ij.net/mrmazda/
* Felix Miata <mrmazda@ij.net> [09-29-04 16:06]:
Not for me. :-( It complained about 3 missing packages. I installed those with YaST, then did rpm -Uvh *rpm. That seemed to run without complaint, as did SuSEconfig and ldconfig afterward. However, no XFCE in the KDM menu, even after reboot, only:
startx xfce4 -- :1 or add xcfe4 to the window list. -- Patrick Shanahan Registered Linux User #207535 http://wahoo.no-ip.org @ http://counter.li.org HOG # US1244711 Photo Album: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/photos
Patrick Shanahan wrote:
or add xcfe4 to the window list.
Nice idea, but I've exhausted all my own ideas how to go about this. :-( -- "Blessed is the nation whose God is the Lord." Psalm 33:12 NIV Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 Felix Miata *** http://members.ij.net/mrmazda/
On Wednesday 29 September 2004 23:18, Patrick Shanahan wrote:
* Felix Miata <mrmazda@ij.net> [09-29-04 16:06]:
Not for me. :-( It complained about 3 missing packages. I installed those with YaST, then did rpm -Uvh *rpm. That seemed to run without complaint, as did SuSEconfig and ldconfig afterward. However, no XFCE in the KDM menu, even after reboot, only:
startx xfce4 -- :1
or add xcfe4 to the window list.
or add a xfce4.desktop file to /opt/kde3/share/apps/kdm/sessions/ You can use xfce.desktop as a template, and use 'startxfce4' as new values to the variables 'Exec' and 'TryExec'. Cheers, Leen
Leendert Meyer wrote:
On Wednesday 29 September 2004 23:18, Patrick Shanahan wrote:
* Felix Miata <mrmazda@ij.net> [09-29-04 16:06]:
Not for me. :-( It complained about 3 missing packages. I installed those with YaST, then did rpm -Uvh *rpm. That seemed to run without complaint, as did SuSEconfig and ldconfig afterward. However, no XFCE in the KDM menu, even after reboot, only:
startx xfce4 -- :1
or add xcfe4 to the window list.
or add a xfce4.desktop file to /opt/kde3/share/apps/kdm/sessions/
But, it's already there!
You can use xfce.desktop as a template,
Template for what?
and use 'startxfce4' as new values to the variables 'Exec' and 'TryExec'.
Variables where? I can't believe this has to be so hard. Isn't one of those installed rpms supposed to add what's required to the dm? If not, surely there must be some howto for something to explain this. :-( For all the trouble this is, I might as well just let the guy use KDE and hate SuSE for it. -- "Blessed is the nation whose God is the Lord." Psalm 33:12 NIV Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 Felix Miata *** http://members.ij.net/mrmazda/
On Wed, 2004-09-29 at 21:21, Felix Miata wrote:
Leendert Meyer wrote:
On Wednesday 29 September 2004 23:18, Patrick Shanahan wrote:
* Felix Miata <mrmazda@ij.net> [09-29-04 16:06]:
Not for me. :-( It complained about 3 missing packages. I installed those with YaST, then did rpm -Uvh *rpm. That seemed to run without complaint, as did SuSEconfig and ldconfig afterward. However, no XFCE in the KDM menu, even after reboot, only:
startx xfce4 -- :1
or add xcfe4 to the window list.
or add a xfce4.desktop file to /opt/kde3/share/apps/kdm/sessions/
But, it's already there!
You can use xfce.desktop as a template,
Template for what?
and use 'startxfce4' as new values to the variables 'Exec' and 'TryExec'.
Variables where?
If you're running KDE try this, click on the Gecko and select "Run Command", enter kdesu konqueror, and input the root password at the prompt. Navigate to the directory, locate the xfce4.desktop file and right click it, select open with, and choose a text editor, I used nedit, but you might not have that installed. Here's the top of the file that I used with the editions that Leenart mentions: [Desktop Entry] Encoding=UTF-8 Type=XSession Exec=startxfce4 TryExec=startxfce4 Name=XFce4 ...... Name[sv]=Xfce4 Name[xx]=xxXFce4xx
I can't believe this has to be so hard. Isn't one of those installed rpms supposed to add what's required to the dm? If not, surely there must be some howto for something to explain this. :-( For all the trouble this is, I might as well just let the guy use KDE and hate SuSE for it.
I do realize that this isn't just a few clicks, but the information that Leenart and others have posted has allowed me to, in the space of several minutes dl, install, make this desktop available, and switch users to test and make sure it works. (it did. :) Mike
On Thursday 30 September 2004 04:21, Felix Miata wrote:
Leendert Meyer wrote:
On Wednesday 29 September 2004 23:18, Patrick Shanahan wrote:
* Felix Miata <mrmazda@ij.net> [09-29-04 16:06]:
Not for me. :-( It complained about 3 missing packages. I installed those with YaST, then did rpm -Uvh *rpm. That seemed to run without complaint, as did SuSEconfig and ldconfig afterward. However, no XFCE in the KDM menu, even after reboot, only:
startx xfce4 -- :1
or add xcfe4 to the window list.
or add a xfce4.desktop file to /opt/kde3/share/apps/kdm/sessions/
But, it's already there!
Ok, then I think startxfce4, that is mentioned by the 'Exec' and 'TryExec' variables in xfce4.desktop, cannot be found. Maybe the package containing that command is missing? Or the command has been renamed? Cheers, Leen
Op donderdag 30 september 2004 00:44, schreef Leendert Meyer:
or add a xfce4.desktop file to /opt/kde3/share/apps/kdm/sessions/
You can use xfce.desktop as a template, and use 'startxfce4' as new values to the variables 'Exec' and 'TryExec'.
It should be there already; suse/apt $ zgrep xfce4.desktop AptContents.SuSE-9.1-i386.gz opt/kde3/share/apps/kdm/sessions/xfce4.desktop System_GUI_KDE/kdebase3-kdm opt/kde3/share/apps/kdm/sessions/xfce4.desktop System_GUI_KDE/kdebase3-kdm opt/kde3/share/apps/kdm/sessions/xfce4.desktop System_GUI_KDE/kdebase3-kdm opt/kde3/share/apps/kdm/sessions/xfce4.desktop System_GUI_KDE/kdebase3-kdm opt/kde3/share/apps/kdm/sessions/xfce4.desktop System_GUI_KDE/kdebase3-kdm -- Richard Bos Without a home the journey is endless
On Thursday 30 September 2004 08:43, Richard Bos wrote:
Op donderdag 30 september 2004 00:44, schreef Leendert Meyer:
or add a xfce4.desktop file to /opt/kde3/share/apps/kdm/sessions/
You can use xfce.desktop as a template, and use 'startxfce4' as new values to the variables 'Exec' and 'TryExec'.
It should be there already; suse/apt $ zgrep xfce4.desktop AptContents.SuSE-9.1-i386.gz opt/kde3/share/apps/kdm/sessions/xfce4.desktop System_GUI_KDE/kdebase3-kdm opt/kde3/share/apps/kdm/sessions/xfce4.desktop System_GUI_KDE/kdebase3-kdm opt/kde3/share/apps/kdm/sessions/xfce4.desktop System_GUI_KDE/kdebase3-kdm opt/kde3/share/apps/kdm/sessions/xfce4.desktop System_GUI_KDE/kdebase3-kdm opt/kde3/share/apps/kdm/sessions/xfce4.desktop System_GUI_KDE/kdebase3-kdm
Indeed. But I /vaguely/ remember from a time that I tried xfce4, I had to create that file... ;) Cheers, Leen
Dennis J. Tuchler wrote:
On Wednesday 29 September 2004 10:57, Patrick Shanahan wrote:
Do not disable networking. Networking is not what is using memory, it is the X-window display, kde or gnome. Change is window manager to Xfce and you will run fine.
I agree as to XFCE. It is a very good desktop. Be sure you don't use the one that came with SuSE. Delete that copy, using YAST. Then go to the XFCE web site (www.sfce.com) and follow the instructions to get to the web site from which you can get the RPMs of version 4.6 available for SuSE 9.1.
I tried. I went to http://www.xfce.org and used wget to put all the 9.1 contrib rpms in a local dir. I then started YaST and set that dir as an additional source. Now when I try to run YaST -> add/remove software, it tries to start, then dies reading package information. :-( -- "Blessed is the nation whose God is the Lord." Psalm 33:12 NIV Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 Felix Miata *** http://members.ij.net/mrmazda/
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