On Wednesday 21 January 2004 05:20 pm, John Andersen wrote:
On Wednesday 21 January 2004 11:52, Felix Miata wrote:
If windows were built on dos, dos would always be there yet it clearly isn't.
DOS is in HMA clearly indicates at least some portion of DOS remains even after WIN.COM has loaded.
No, its not there. Untill you invoke a command shell it is NOT in memory. You are useing dos tools to detect dos in a dos emulation environment. No wonder you think its there, because the dos shell is designed precisely to fool you and other software into believing it is there.
When I said rename command.com I meant remame it to some un- executable extension, or even delete it all together.
If its gone windows will still boot. Copy it off to a floppy and try this. Windows runs fine with out its dos emulator. Its just the dos box that won't work.
Win98 does not depend on dos. But dos (as supplied with win98) will not run without windows.
Try the test and prove it to yourself...
Hi John, When IBM sold PC-DOS 7.x at the time that M$ was pushing w98, M$ actually began to sell MS-DOS 7. They even touted it as the same DOS that was in w98!!! When the higher-ups at M$ discovered it's MS-DOS division was out of step with current marketing 'trends' they ordered it stopped, because it contradicted the w98 divisions marketing mantra = "Windows 98 in NOT built on DOS!" The w98 division was still scared of OS/2 Warp, a much superior OS that also included a "DOS-emulator" that was a much better DOS environment than anything from M$. I know IBMers who have seen the M$ DOS7 literature and boxes. If you ignore NT, XP is the first M$ consumer OS that does not rely upon DOS. Novell, in its suit against M$ developed evidence in discovery that M$ used MS-DOS 7 under w95 and w98, while they publically postured that "There is no DOS in w98". This was shown as blatantly damaging to DR-DOS sales. DR-DOS offered a superior DOS to underly w9x as it did in the w3x market. Evidence they got from M$ showed that M$ was notably agitated that DR-DOS was displacing MS-DOS. Evidence also showed that M$ had actually put code into Windows that would "Put DR-DOS on a treadmill" when it was detected, as a M$ coder wrote in an internal email. It became an urgent goal, for M$ upper managment, to make sure w98 was presented as being monolithic and not in any way dependant on MS-DOS. Marketing deception at it's finest. You arn't the only one who got snowed! PeterB ................... (Former Team OS/2 member and former IBMer) -- -- Proud to use SuSE Linux, since 5.2 Loving using SuSE Linux 8.2 MyBlog http://vancampen.org/blog/ Nothing is as perfect as a Cultured Diamond There was never any Blood on a Cultured Diamond --