On Sun April 12 2009 1:52:46 pm Rajko M. wrote:
On Sunday 12 April 2009 12:01:26 pm peter nikolic wrote:
If you intend to release 11.2 with NO KDE.3.5 then you have got to �ensure that it has ALL the functions that are wanted/needed that includes ALL Packages and softwares that are in KDE 3.5.x and i do mean ALL packages anything less is COMPLETELY unacceptable �, you know it, �i know it, �we all know it �yet you still continue �to do absolutely nothing except give people a hard time just because they voice a very GENUINE and to the point �thing .
Pete,
can you re-read what you wrote. I'm very sure that anybody using "ALL" have actually no idea what he is using, nor he tried to find equivalents.
Focusing on words like ALL or EVERYBODY in an attempt to cloud or divert the real issues is a favorite tactic o people that Pete was responding to and often it is successful in clouding or diverting the real, underlying issue(s). The OP wasn't lambasting KDE4, he was saying that while attempting to upgrade KDE3, a change in KDE4 caused a failure. He asked the legitimate question which I paraphrase 'Why not fix bugs especially the easy ones because I have pointed out what and where the bug lives and when it happened'. Sven chose to make it a KDE3 vs KDE4 issue, not an issue that is much more fundemental to todays support and development model(s).
I'm talking as KDE3 user that moves KDE4 applications in File Associations, from second to first place, and that makes me informed about issues that people can face. The difference between applications is by the day smaller, with more settings offered on KDE4 side. Not all components are at the same development level, but what seems to be fairly well completed is better than what is provided in version 3.
Again, the issue isn't one of KDE3 vs KDE4 and no one argued that KDE4 is not progressing nicely but one could argue that until it is much further along, it is premature to drop, even remove, a previous and essentially complete and functional product especially for the sake of developing a functional replacement. While KDE4 2.2 is a long way ahead of earlier versions, it still isn't ready to be jammed down peoples throats by saying if you want to upgrade your system (kernel, drivers, other applications, etc), you will lose the Desktop Environment that currently works well for your needs, worse, as Sven indicated in a previous post in this thread, it will remove previous versions. So, 11.2 will damage existing installations if you aren't careful when you *upgrade*.
See this: http://en.opensuse.org/KDE_Configure_Desktop/General/Desktop/Window_Shadow itty-bitty function that never existed in KDE3. Important if you want to tune graphical layout to perfection, not important if you have customers that will stick with you despite competition that offers all the same plus good look, which indicates attention to detail.
-- Regards, Rajko
No one said that KDE4 doesn't potentially offer new or even valuable features. What has been said is that fixing bugs should be of a higher priority than trying to add features. Fixing bugs in an earlier, but still included in the current distribution can often prevent the same thpes of errors from be incorporated in the new development version. Unfixed bugs are often there because of bad logic which will often be used in the new development and thus propogate that type of bug in the new code. Of course, the mentality of not fixing bugs in current releases because a new one is under development won't stop the developend version from having the same/similar bugs. Worse, once released, that becomes the 'current' version and won't be fixed because a 'newer, more wonderous, less ancient, etc. version is again under development so the bug will have yet another chance to propogate. Rajko, while I occasionally, even farily often, disagree with you on some issues, I respect you because in the bigger picture, I perceive that you are being, or trying to be, constructive. The person you responded to has none of those virtues, nor my respect. FWIW, I too use KDE3, have KDE4 installed and seen a lot of progress. That isn't the real issue. I hope KDE4 succeeds my wildest hopes and even the wildest expectations of those involved with its development, the issue is one of priorities and attitudes and while KDE is a good example of how not to introduce a new product, it isn't even the issue of this thread. -- Richard -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org