Am Samstag, 13. Mai 2006 16:18 schrieb Martin Schlander:
On Saturday 13 May 2006 13:30, David Wright wrote:
After seeing some of the negative comments about 10.1 on the list, especially about the package manager, I thought I'd take this opportunity to say something positive.
Since I guess I'm one of the proponents for "negative comments" I'd like to clarify I few things.
I still believe that the package manager will cause serious problems for a lot of people - certainly for anybody adding a lot of 3rd party repos which aren't signed. Any noob is going to be very confused and scared stiff about those constant warnings. I agree, but not because of the warning. Those dialogs you can easily switch off. The problem is, that YaST and zen-* are not always synchron. And it's very hard to get rid of sources, which were not properly signed..
Guess there will be lot's of online updates ;-)
Another example - downloaded single RPMs - I downloaded libdvdutil - right click on it > install with zen .. didn't work.. tried right click > install with yast didn't work. Had to install with rpm -i. Install with YaST from Konqueror is broken. Known bug. But install with zen works fine for me (yes, I was surprised ;-)
Downloaded Opera 9beta rpm. Installed with either YaST or Zen (I'm not sure which one anymore) with Right click > install with.. .. you know what happened? Opera 8.5x was installed from the non-oss repo - including a patch from the update source.. had to use rpm -Uhv to get my Opera9beta.
Also we are going to have a lot of happy go lucky people who've upgraded without any reflection complaining about no nvidia-update, rt2500 and Atheros not working, problems with ndiswrapper/networkmanager etc. rt24xx and rt25xx was not Suses fault. Afaik they do not compile with kernel 2.6.16. Networkmanager is one of the best things in 10.1 for me. As I often change the AP, life is now much easier. It still needs improvement, but setup over YaST was just years behind modern operating systems....
This doesn't mean I don't agree with the changes made. I do - I believe Zen, Rug and YaST software management will complement each other perfectly (in 10.2). I also think it was right to remove binary only kernel modules. Once Nvidia and ATI have KMPs things will look better etc. I know the reasons for these changes - and I don't blame the developers for the problems - I agree that everybody has been great - and I have greatly enjoyed taking part in this development process.
I'm only saying thatI think Novell (as well as the openSUSE, that's us btw) should be prepared to do some damage control - and put a damper on people's expectations for 10.1. Do some damage control - or else I fear that the state of 10.1 can seriously damage SUSEs reputation in the long run. I think some of us (me:-) wanted a new, great package manager for 10.1. And instead of this great new package manager we got some development tools, which will now be tested by the masses. The chances for 10.2 are there. Let's see.
Imagine zen-installer, zen-remover and zen-updater within one window with tabs. That could already be called a package manager without coding more than 10 lines ;-) So Suse has plenty of time now to improve the package management... -- Üdvözlettel -- Mit freundlichen Grüssen, Marcel Hilzinger