My issue was a fresh install of the KDE4 LiveCD. I updated and added the nVidia and other repos and installed Mplayer and stuff. Then, I expanded the desktop folder until it was the whole desktop(and at that point, none of the widgets would work. After a reboot to start the new nVidia modules(which may not have been neccessary, but it's a new build), my folder view was gone. Can't find it anywhere, and couldn't find an "intuitive" way to fix it. Right clicking on the desktop showed no quick, useful options to recover it. So, time for a wipe and a fresh install off the DVD with KDE3 to see how that goes. Everyone needs to honestly see if there is a compelling reason to even upgrade. So far, I've seen very little. Most of the big improvements were in 11.0. And, with 11.2 looking to be 8-10 months out, I may just stay wit 11.0 until I can figure out this KDE4 stuff on a non-production machine. No matter what the KDE4 guys say about it's a new or better way, if it gets in the way of me being productive, then to me it's a deal breaker until I can find the time to figure it out. Some have already gotten to that point. I may end up that way, but I can't see it happening anytime soon. KDE3 just works for me, and while that may be because I am used to it, like I said, any upgrade needs a compelling reason. Again, I haven't seen any yet. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org