On 11/15/05, Steven T. Hatton
On Tuesday 15 November 2005 06:41 pm, Fred A. Miller wrote:
On Tuesday 15 November 2005 3:45 am, Curtis Rey wrote:
On Mon November 14 2005 23:25, Andre Truter wrote:
I don't know why they even have the desktop choises as a default in SLES.
It's for all those MSCE drones that can't figure out what to do in a Nix CLI.
'Know what......bet that's the reason, alright! :)
But people need to take that seriously. Anymore, I rarely use the KDM installed on my servers. Since KSnuffle was abandoned, I have far less reason for having the KDE on a server. But for a long time, I felt more comfortable being able to get a complete desktop at the server console. My servers boot to init 3 these days.
Call it training wheels, or whatever other disparaging epithet you care to give it, but noobs often need that kind of transition assistance. We have to provied a recovery path for MCSE's and the like.
Also, there are many cases inwhich a GUI can consolidate information and/or controls in ways that simply cannot be done effectively with traditional TTY interfaces.
ding ding ding! We finally have a winner! Hello, "world of supposed linux boosters"! --- if you want linux to dominate the market, that means it MUST be accessible. To those who just need to get their work done, but have not the spare time to devote 600 hours to learning the ins and outs of the various CLI commands and config files. Please. I've been doing networking and computer support since the late 80's ..... all of it in netware/windows world. I am not a linux/grep/regex/bash script etc .... pro. I'm "making the shift" because I believe that the OSS model makes sense and because I think it is in my customers best interests to have choices. But I don't have alot of extra time to develop some the expertise that I know I will eventually have. So, I put the gui on servers .... I configure them to boot to run level 3, but I know that startx is but a command away. Is it helpful to have to listen to bigots spout about "stoopid noobies" that need a GUI on a server? No. Does it make me feel any less smart? No. It simply lessens my enthusiasm for getting some of my customers exposed to this list, for example, because it can be DISCOURAGING rather than helpful. For me ... I could care less. Many of those "MCSE drones" are my customers, and potential customers ... and many are very very smart very very busy people. Want to guess whom I think is the "drone" or the "moron"? But if you want to grow linux? ... grow up! Peter