The major frustration of the past year+ with kde4 has been the way it has been marketed as a "finished" and "released" desktop that can take the place of kde3. Face it, that has just been dishonest. To date, there still isn't a printer configuration in kde control center.
System Settings -> Printer Configuration. I used it just yesterday on the wife's desktop. That said, I do agree that KDE 4 needs a lot of work before it could be released to hose with the standards of KDE 3.
That notwithstanding, KDE4.3 is what I, and I think a lot of people would agree, is an official non-beta release of KDE. Yes, it has it's annoyances, but at least most of the pieces are there and we finally have *most* of the icons in kde control center. It is a huge step forward and a step in the right direction over whatever kde 4.2 was. If what Dotan is suggesting is that there is now going to be a big push to clean it up, then fantastic, kde4 will be one hell of a desktop -- but the work has got to get done, it isn't there yet.
The "big push" is from you and me. I've filed over 1000 bugs on KDE 4 fit and finish, and about half of them are already resolved. Now I need users with a sharp eye for details to help me find the rest of the issues. That "big push" is from the community, and we probably should have done it sooner.
Now, I haven't just set idly back an bitched about kde4 without trying to do my part. I have put my efforts were my mouth is to test every part of kde4 and author or contribute to bug reports on everything I find and have time to report in hope of getting this desktop to a point where I, and everyone else, can enjoy using it without having 1/2 your time wasted chasing down bugs in it or trying to figure out why x, y and z don't work. Here is the url to the list of 121 kde4 bugs I have either authored or contributed to over that period of time:
Thanks, I will take the time to triage each of those that I can in the coming weeks. I encourage others to make a list of pet bugs and post, so that the community cn triage as well.
Dotan, if you are serious about wanting the list of the major kde4 problems to push them to whereever or whoever they need to go to so they can be fixed prior to the 11.2 release, I am more than willing to prepare a list of the most glaring kde4 bugs that will really annoy 11.2 users who are transitioning from kde3 to kde4. Of the 121 kde4 bugs contained in the list above, the following are the really annoying ones that I, and everyone else, would be grateful if you would help get fixed.
I am serious and I am triaging, but I cannot do it alone. We need the OpenSuse community to post and support those bugs. Many of the issues the devs do not agree with, and without community support they will not get fixed. Even the bugs closed as WONTFIX (or, especially those) need community input to get reopened.
The way I look at it, the real visible and annoying ones are the ones that a user will see when they try to do the simple things like have konqueror file manager open up looking the same as it did the last time they closed it (after saving the file-management profile). That still doesn't work and things like that where you have to continually repeat basic application or desktop setup is just inexcusable in the "third" (.3) release of a finished desktop. I have taken the time to pull from my bug list the top 20 or so annoyances and grouped them by kde component. (e.g. Konqueror, Plasma-Desktop, etc..)
If these are fixed, then kde4 *will be* a replacement for KDE3.
Thank you, I will go through the list and triage. It is exactly involvement like yours that KDE needs more than anything right now. Thanks!
I don't know how you get these fixed faster, but it seems many of them have just been lingering on the kde bug list without much effort put toward getting them fixed. I look at the list above and think about "what kde4 would be like to use without them", and I think it would rock. So I know it will get there, it just a bit frustrating to use at present.
I triage the bugs and confirm them. Each time there is activity on the bug the dev gets an email. If the mails sounds like "confirmed in XYZ" it gets attention. That is why the whole community must help here: these bugs need attention. -- Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org