joe a wrote:
On 3/24/2023 9:02 AM, Per Jessen wrote:
Pit Suetterlin via openSUSE Users wrote:
Per Jessen wrote:
Butbut, they _are_ 1-part last names? Leeuwen, Donato ?
That's not last name, that's last part of the last name :D
Hehe :-)
Way off-topic of course, but it is Friday.
Maybe it is just me, but I usually don't consider the "van", "von", "zu", "di", "auf", "van den", "in der", "auf der" to be a part of the last name. It is an old indication of nobility, even if not in much use any more.
Not start a "war", but that choice of meaning
There is no choice involved, that _is_ the meaning. However, when the particle can be omitted, it is clear to me that it is not part of the name. Ursula von der Leyen, President of the European Commission, is often just referred to as "Frau Leyen", e.g. in German-language media. Of course, when the particle and the last name have been merged, as in : zumtobel, vontobel, vandenberg, dimaggio, aufdermauer the particle cannot be omitted, but then the name is only 1-part anyway :-) -- Per Jessen, Zürich (11.4°C) Member, openSUSE Heroes (2016 - present) We're hiring - https://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Heroes