May mean nothing. https://www.theregister.com/2023/03/23/suse_announces_new_ceo_arriving/
On 3/23/23 17:27, joe a wrote:
May mean nothing.
https://www.theregister.com/2023/03/23/suse_announces_new_ceo_arriving/
Saw that, and glad to see El Reg is widely read :) Let's hope that van Leeuwen is more community-centric and container adverse than di Donato was. (Geeze, can't SUSE find a CEO with a 1-part last name? -- two in a row...) -- David C. Rankin, J.D.,P.E.
David C. Rankin wrote:
On 3/23/23 17:27, joe a wrote:
May mean nothing.
https://www.theregister.com/2023/03/23/suse_announces_new_ceo_arriving/
Saw that, and glad to see El Reg is widely read :)
Let's hope that van Leeuwen is more community-centric and container adverse than di Donato was.
(Geeze, can't SUSE find a CEO with a 1-part last name? -- two in a row...)
Butbut, they _are_ 1-part last names? Leeuwen, Donato ? -- Per Jessen, Zürich (14.0°C) Member, openSUSE Heroes (2016 - present) We're hiring - https://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Heroes
Op vrijdag 24 maart 2023 13:31:58 CET schreef Pit Suetterlin via openSUSE Users:
Per Jessen wrote:
Butbut, they _are_ 1-part last names? Leeuwen, Donato ?
That's not last name, that's last part of the last name :D Both "di" and "van" are last name parts meaning the same: "of", "von" etc. Quite common in fact.
-- Gertjan Lettink a.k.a. Knurpht openSUSE Board openSUSE Forums Team
Pit Suetterlin via openSUSE Users wrote:
Per Jessen wrote:
Butbut, they _are_ 1-part last names? Leeuwen, Donato ?
That's not last name, that's last part of the last name :D
Hehe :-) Way off-topic of course, but it is Friday. Maybe it is just me, but I usually don't consider the "van", "von", "zu", "di", "auf", "van den", "in der", "auf der" to be a part of the last name. It is an old indication of nobility, even if not in much use any more. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nobiliary_particle -- Per Jessen, Zürich (11.9°C) Member, openSUSE Heroes (2016 - present) We're hiring - https://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Heroes
On 3/24/2023 9:02 AM, Per Jessen wrote:
Pit Suetterlin via openSUSE Users wrote:
Per Jessen wrote:
Butbut, they _are_ 1-part last names? Leeuwen, Donato ?
That's not last name, that's last part of the last name :D
Hehe :-)
Way off-topic of course, but it is Friday.
Maybe it is just me, but I usually don't consider the "van", "von", "zu", "di", "auf", "van den", "in der", "auf der" to be a part of the last name. It is an old indication of nobility, even if not in much use any more.
Not start a "war", but that choice of meaning may suit the "ego history" of certain lines, but may also indicate a certain "extra-legal" status of the first of that name, chosen to indicate biological rather than legal heritage. "Folk-lore"? Or, "Such is the reality of life"?
joe a wrote:
On 3/24/2023 9:02 AM, Per Jessen wrote:
Pit Suetterlin via openSUSE Users wrote:
Per Jessen wrote:
Butbut, they _are_ 1-part last names? Leeuwen, Donato ?
That's not last name, that's last part of the last name :D
Hehe :-)
Way off-topic of course, but it is Friday.
Maybe it is just me, but I usually don't consider the "van", "von", "zu", "di", "auf", "van den", "in der", "auf der" to be a part of the last name. It is an old indication of nobility, even if not in much use any more.
Not start a "war", but that choice of meaning
There is no choice involved, that _is_ the meaning. However, when the particle can be omitted, it is clear to me that it is not part of the name. Ursula von der Leyen, President of the European Commission, is often just referred to as "Frau Leyen", e.g. in German-language media. Of course, when the particle and the last name have been merged, as in : zumtobel, vontobel, vandenberg, dimaggio, aufdermauer the particle cannot be omitted, but then the name is only 1-part anyway :-) -- Per Jessen, Zürich (11.4°C) Member, openSUSE Heroes (2016 - present) We're hiring - https://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Heroes
There is no choice involved, that _is_ the meaning.
However, when the particle can be omitted, it is clear to me that it is not part of the name. Ursula von der Leyen, President of the European Commission, is often just referred to as "Frau Leyen", e.g. in German-language media. Of course, when the particle and the last name have been merged, as in :
zumtobel, vontobel, vandenberg, dimaggio, aufdermauer
the particle cannot be omitted, but then the name is only 1-part anyway :-) Depends on country / region. In dutch "van Bergen" only means that the ancestor during Napoleon, when last names were mandatory for everyone, was
Op vrijdag 24 maart 2023 18:16:59 CET schreef Per Jessen: living in Bergen. One of my ancestors was named "van Altena" totally unrelated to the region Altena, but to the farm he owned, which is not even near Altena. To distinguish these from nobility related names, the latter may carry their title as part of their last name. f.e. "Bladiebla Barones van Where ever" Just fyi. -- Gertjan Lettink a.k.a. Knurpht openSUSE Board openSUSE Forums Team
Knurpht-openSUSE wrote:
Op vrijdag 24 maart 2023 18:16:59 CET schreef Per Jessen:
There is no choice involved, that _is_ the meaning.
However, when the particle can be omitted, it is clear to me that it is not part of the name. Ursula von der Leyen, President of the European Commission, is often just referred to as "Frau Leyen", e.g. in German-language media. Of course, when the particle and the last name have been merged, as in :
zumtobel, vontobel, vandenberg, dimaggio, aufdermauer
the particle cannot be omitted, but then the name is only 1-part anyway :-)
Depends on country / region. In dutch "van Bergen" only means that the ancestor during Napoleon, when last names were mandatory for everyone, was living in Bergen.
That is much like "auf der Mauer" (for instance). It also only means that person is from a family that used to live in Mauer. (Muur).
One of my ancestors was named "van Altena" totally unrelated to the region Altena, but to the farm he owned, which is not even near Altena. To distinguish these from nobility related names, the latter may carry their title as part of their last name. f.e. "Bladiebla Barones van Where ever" Just fyi.
If I've understood you correctly, yes, that is also frequently the case in Denmark, Germany and Switzerland. The particle does not automatically imply nobility. -- Per Jessen, Zürich (12.1°C) Member, openSUSE Heroes (2016 - present) We're hiring - https://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Heroes
On 3/24/23 08:02, Per Jessen wrote:
Pit Suetterlin via openSUSE Users wrote:
Per Jessen wrote:
Butbut, they _are_ 1-part last names? Leeuwen, Donato ? That's not last name, that's last part of the last name :D Hehe :-)
Way off-topic of course, but it is Friday.
Maybe it is just me, but I usually don't consider the "van", "von", "zu", "di", "auf", "van den", "in der", "auf der" to be a part of the last name. It is an old indication of nobility, even if not in much use any more.
Not necessarily nobility. Could be where they are from. Carlos de Seville would be a different person than Carlos de Madrid. Before patronymics that was how you told which was which. -- In times of Tyranny and injustice when law oppresses the people, the outlaw takes his place in history. ~ · Robin Hood · 2010 · Screen Title
On 3/24/23 08:02, Per Jessen wrote:
Pit Suetterlin via openSUSE Users wrote:
Per Jessen wrote:
Butbut, they _are_ 1-part last names? Leeuwen, Donato ? That's not last name, that's last part of the last name :D Hehe :-)
Way off-topic of course, but it is Friday.
Maybe it is just me, but I usually don't consider the "van", "von", "zu", "di", "auf", "van den", "in der", "auf der" to be a part of the last name. It is an old indication of nobility, even if not in much use any more.
Or "de la Guardia".
On 3/24/2023 3:19 AM, David C. Rankin wrote:
On 3/23/23 17:27, joe a wrote:
May mean nothing.
https://www.theregister.com/2023/03/23/suse_announces_new_ceo_arriving/
Saw that, and glad to see El Reg is widely read :)
Let's hope that van Leeuwen is more community-centric and container adverse than di Donato was.
(Geeze, can't SUSE find a CEO with a 1-part last name? -- two in a row...)
"widely read"? What could, or should, one make of that?
On 3/24/23 08:43, joe a wrote:
"widely read"? What could, or should, one make of that?
Widely read, relates to a publications circulation within a community. (contrast with a niche publication only read by a limited few zealots) For example, a magazine or newspaper would be considered "widely read" if distributed and read by a significant percentage of the community. I've always advocated for subscribing to The Register (it's just that good with a twist of English humor thrown in). It keeps you abreast of developments in the tech world (such as the SUSE CEO change) or CVEs discovered, and for me particular as an Aero-Eng., the space updates from around the globe are an added bonus :) -- David C. Rankin, J.D.,P.E.
On Sat, 25 Mar 2023 at 00:06, David C. Rankin
I've always advocated for subscribing to The Register (it's just that good with a twist of English humor thrown in). It keeps you abreast of developments in the tech world (such as the SUSE CEO change) or CVEs discovered, and for me particular as an Aero-Eng., the space updates from around the globe are an added bonus :)
Glad you like it. :-) FWIW, I wrote the article you linked to, and I am ex-SUSE myself. -- Liam Proven ~ Profile: https://about.me/liamproven Email: lproven@cix.co.uk ~ gMail/gTalk/FB: lproven@gmail.com Twitter/LinkedIn: lproven ~ Skype: liamproven IoM: (+44) 7624 277612: UK: (+44) 7939-087884 Czech [+ WhatsApp/Telegram/Signal]: (+420) 702-829-053
David C. Rankin wrote:
On 3/24/23 08:43, joe a wrote:
"widely read"? What could, or should, one make of that?
Widely read, relates to a publications circulation within a community. (contrast with a niche publication only read by a limited few zealots)
I too tought it was a slightly odd comment - I think I've been reading ElReg for over twenty years, maybe since 1998-1999. -- Per Jessen, Zürich (12.4°C) Member, openSUSE Heroes (2016 - present) We're hiring - https://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Heroes
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