The really crazy aspect of all this is the fact that Ubuntu started out as a Gnome desktop only distro. KDE is so popular that Kubuntu was created replacing Gnome with KDE. Now, even Mark Shuttleworth the founder of Ubuntu is using Kubuntu more and more. See this page for more: http://www.kubuntu.org/announcements/kde-commitment.php Now, after having used Gnome for a whole morning - whoopee doo I hear you cry :-))) I really don't know which I prefer. I like both KDE and Gnome with all it's intricacies ;-) I think that SuSE Novell ought to really look at community preference with this one. Perhaps a new press release might be a good idea to quell the 'debate' :-) -- ============================================== I am only human, please forgive me if I make a mistake it is not deliberate. ============================================== Take care. Kevan Farmer 34 Hill Street Cheslyn Hay Staffordshire WS6 7HR