On Wednesday 12 June 2002 16:26, you wrote:
On Wed, 12 Jun 2002 23:14:47 +0200
"Clinton F. Aarts"
wrote: I know what you're going through, but for god's sake man get a hold of
yourself.
Yes, right.
At 12:37 PM 6/9/2002 -0500, he wrote: I have a mortgage
investment banking business to run,
He does(?), and he shouts (and rants) like this over HIS PROBLEMS?
Perhaps the list would like to know his business name in order to avoid it.
Terence
Screw you too Terence. WTF is wrong with my problems? They're yours too.
I am a catalyst, and I must depend on my OS because I have much more important things to do. And the nature of these problems is failure of integration. We all know that. And we all know that they're doing their best. But it's not good enough to operate at this point.
Yeah, there are problems with K3 too, and though I don't blame these on Suse, that only compounds it for me. I will give it one more shot, because I am a (former) acolyte. But that's it.
I have to chime in with my .02 here. It never ceases to amaze me that every time a .0 release comes out, someone will load it on a server, and scream because it's not as stable as their old .3 release was. Folks, just in case a few of you haven't yet figured it out yet, .0 releases are barely more than beta, and shouldn't be used on servers. I don't know why people always need to be reminded of that. The guys at SuSE, or Mandrake, or RedHat, or where ever, do their very best to bring all the packages together into a cohesive, runnable distribution. It's an amazingly complex thing to do, and no, it's not a perfect world. .0 releases will have bugs. It's a fact of life. Get used to it. If you have a production machine, leave it on the old .3 release, until the new version is stable, and stop pounding on the fine folks that put out your distro, so that they can get to the task of actually fixing things for the next release. If you load a .0 release, the assumption should be made that it's not stable, and you're loading it on a non-critical machine for testing, and evaluation. If you are "testing", and have found legitimate problems, document them, and "nicely" send them off to SuSE through the normal channels. Constructive criticism is actually welcome, and needed. That's how problems get fixed. Ranting & raving here will accomplish little beyond getting you added to a filter. If you think building a stable distro is a trivial matter, I challenge you to try it. If you're not willing to walk in their shoes, don't complain about their tracks. And that's all I have to say on the subject. Have a nice day. Ric