On Friday 25 Dec 2015 00:54:05 Basil Chupin wrote:
On 23/12/15 19:35, Richard Brown wrote:
On 23 December 2015 at 07:30, Oliver Kurz
wrote: On Wednesday 23 December 2015 16:56:23 Basil Chupin wrote:
On 23/12/15 13:42, Felix Miata wrote:
David C. Rankin composed on 2015-12-22 20:01 (UTC-0600):
Carlos banned... really... What kind of numbskull would ban Carlos?
Had this thread a proper topic, Carlos would probably provide a private answer. He might anyway, at least if you ask him. It will surprise me if Richard Brown does not provide an answer once he awakens to find this thread.
Oh I am sure that he certainly will respond, and we all await that with bated breaths :-) .
… or maybe not as you just try to lure him into dangerous waters ;-)
Actually I will, but I'll try my best to keep it short and sweet :)
Yes, Carlos is currently banned from posting on any openSUSE mailinglists or Forum.
The reason for this was an ongoing pattern of behaviour which can only be described as 'disruptive', including disparagement/disrespect of other contributors and their contributions, excessive 'content-light/noise making' posts on development lists and personal attacks.
The trigger for the ban was a personal attack against me,
I am wondering if some other people apart from Carlos have been banned, at your request or otherwise, when they have made a "personal attack against [you]"? I only ask to be sure that I have the story clear in my mind about what happened with Carlos' banning.
Particularly, I am wondering if the following have been banned by posting what I would recognise as attacks on one's competence:
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As long as I'm concerned about _how_ you are doing your job, I'm going to criticize it. And given the way you are communicating recently, I'm concerned a lot. So I'm going to criticize you, learn to live with it. Or, better, try to learn from the feedback you get.
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http://lists.opensuse.org/opensuse-project/2015-12/msg00038.html
and then a few days ago this was posted':
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But you need to get that really bad attitude out of your responses; even an imagined insinuation that Leap is not the greatest thing since sex gets a snide and nasty response from you. I have no opinion on Leap at all, either way, so cool it. Thank you.
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http://lists.opensuse.org/opensuse/2015-12/msg00474.html
but the ban
(an exceptional action) was only considered due to the exceptional nature and volume of all of Carlos' behaviour leading up to and including the personal attack against me. The ban was not a singular response to that single incident.
I did not 'arrange' for the Ban. This course of action was decided collectively by the openSUSE Board after significant deliberations, and included the co-operation of both our Forum and Mailinglist administrators.
Permanent and Indefinite bans were considered, but I tabled the suggestion of a time-limited ban, and the Board decided on a 3 month period, which is due to end on 14th February.
It is worth noting that Carlos was previously banned from the Forums a few weeks earlier for similar behaviours, an action which was decided by the Forum team without escalation to the Board. When deciding upon this recent sanction banning him from both the forums and the lists for a longer period of time, the Board took the previous issues and actions by the Forum team into account. While I realise it is an escalation, I hope that this action might finally lead to positive change. Banning people from our communication channels is a last resort, but discussions, warnings and previous bans were all proven to have no effect.
I am encouraged by seeing Carlos continuing his support of users on this list (something which he has always done well and is a credit to his character),
And I am sure that I express the feelings of many others when I state that we are all looking forward to the end of the Carlos' unnecessary and undeserved disengagement from the openSUSE mail lists.
agreed
and am hopeful that when he returns in February we can
all experience his positive involvement in the Project without the negative, disruptive aspects we've sadly had to deal with leading up to his ban
And I am sure that I express the hope of many others on these lists that we would not have to read in the new year or at any other time in the future such comments as I quote above by Michal and 'listreader'.
And as today is -- it is now being close to 0100 hours -- Christmas day I wish you, Richard, and everyone else on this list, Season's Greetings.
Richard Brown openSUSE Chairman of the Board On Behalf of the openSUSE Board
BC
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