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stakanov＠freenet.de

18 Dec 2015 18 Dec '15

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Von: John Andersen Gesendet: Do. 17.12.2015 20:20 An: opensuse@opensuse.org

First of all thank you to all who replied (also to Carlos ER who replied, given current restrictions off list and was - as times before - helpful). Special thanks also to jdd for his heads-up pointing to the commercial version "Vuescan" (where the only thing that I do not understand yet is the SANE problematic. I wonder if that solution gives also drivers for Canon 4200 and 8100F etc who are chronically long-time-no-served. I am currently using a Canon 210 that is primitive but marvellously supported by SANE. Simple-Scan was the solution I did use on 13.2 before. I found myself quite satisfied (although verrrry shaky with a lot of crashes) with the (g)scan2pdf application. This is the first time I see something that offers integration of tesseract (a gift that has not really been used to a full extend yet). I particularly liked the results in colour, I think however that the devised floating menu with settings is a bit cumbersome (coming from omnipage pro where I would have been happy if it would have been available for linux). However from a resources point of view, useful scanning needs IMO a 4-8 core CPU with 8-32 GB of RAM where for colour scan I would go for a minimum of 16 GB. Otherwise it is getting masochism. So my personal classification of usability and completeness is at the end: (g)scan2pdf (although stability should be better). Simple-Scan Scanlite For who is coming by these days and want to install (g)scan2pdf in leap, you have to take the unstable version and use also a supplementary phyton repo for the dependencies. This because there is a gtk2 dependency to be fulfilled. Once done the repoadd installation was (in my case Leap) straightforward. It would be nice to have a native kde app for this but I know, resources are scarce. I will have a close look to Vuescan too. It seems that all in all in this aspect some advances (although still timid) have been achieved. Scanning is still one of the "open" fields in Linux to make the desktop experience complete. Still I wouldn't go back to windows not even for payment Still, thank you all for your input. P.S. xscan I didn't try, so I do not comment, others may want to have a look. --- Alle Postfächer an einem Ort. Jetzt wechseln und E-Mail-Adresse mitnehmen! http://email.freenet.de/basic/Informationen -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

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Greg Freemyer

18 Dec 18 Dec

15:39

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For who is coming by these days and want to install (g)scan2pdf in leap, you have to take the unstable version and use also a supplementary phyton repo for the dependencies. This because there is a gtk2 dependency to be fulfilled. Once done the repoadd

Please file a bug about that. I had a similar missing dependency in Leaf. It had been in 13.1 and 13.2. Two weeks after filing my bug it appeared as an update. https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=957472 Many thanks to the maintainers who are taking care of bugs so rapidly. Greg -- Greg Freemyer www.IntelligentAvatar.net -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

Andreas Mahel

21:33

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Am Freitag, 18. Dezember 2015, 07:56:40 schrieb stakanov@freenet.de:

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It would be nice to have a native kde app for this but I know, resources are scarce.

Just for completeness: as a KDE native scanner application there would be scangui which comes as part of digikam/kipi (package kipi-plugins- acquireimage), seems very minimalistic, though. And for the friends of old style, there is still kooka from kdegraphics3-scan (or as package kooka - don't know if KDE4 or KF5 based - from some home repositories) /Andreas -- Time flies like an arrow. Fruit flies like a banana. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

David C. Rankin

23 Dec 23 Dec

01:07

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Von: John Andersen Gesendet: Do. 17.12.2015 20:20 An:opensuse@opensuse.org

First of all thank you to all who replied (also to Carlos ER who replied, given current restrictions off list and was - as times before - helpful).

WTF??? Is Carlos banned or some other nonsense like that? What do you mean by this 'given current restrictions off list'? -- David C. Rankin, J.D.,P.E. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

John Andersen

01:16

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On 12/22/2015 05:07 PM, David C. Rankin wrote:

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Von: John Andersen Gesendet: Do. 17.12.2015 20:20 An:opensuse@opensuse.org

First of all thank you to all who replied (also to Carlos ER who replied, given current restrictions off list and was - as times before - helpful).

WTF??? Is Carlos banned or some other nonsense like that? What do you mean by this 'given current restrictions off list'?

I assume he was sick or something or involved in the Spanish elections in some way and couldn't post publicly for election reasons or something. Banning Carlos would make no sense at all, he's one of the most helpful guys around. -- After all is said and done, more is said than done. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

Carl Hartung

01:27

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Banning Carlos would make no sense at all, he's one of the most helpful guys around.

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Basil Chupin

01:41

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On 23/12/15 12:16, John Andersen wrote:

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Von: John Andersen Gesendet: Do. 17.12.2015 20:20 An:opensuse@opensuse.org First of all thank you to all who replied (also to Carlos ER who replied, given current restrictions off list and was - as times before - helpful).

WTF??? Is Carlos banned or some other nonsense like that? What do you mean by this 'given current restrictions off list'?

I assume he was sick or something or involved in the Spanish elections in some way and couldn't post publicly for election reasons or something.

Banning Carlos would make no sense at all, he's one of the most helpful guys around.

Richard Brown had him banned from all lists for some reasons which do not looker kosher to me. However, the ban is only till February (?beginning or end, cannot remember) so Carlos will be back with a vengeance, hopefully :-) . (The whole spectacle unfolded in Project if you care to look at the archives.) BC -- Using openSUSE 13.2, KDE 4.14.9 & kernel 4.3.3-2 on a system with- AMD FX 8-core 3.6/4.2GHz processor 16GB PC14900/1866MHz Quad Channel RAM Gigabyte AMD3+ m/board; Gigabyte nVidia GTX660 GPU -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

John Andersen

02:00

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On 12/22/2015 05:41 PM, Basil Chupin wrote:

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Von: John Andersen Gesendet: Do. 17.12.2015 20:20 An:opensuse@opensuse.org First of all thank you to all who replied (also to Carlos ER who replied, given current restrictions off list and was - as times before - helpful).

WTF??? Is Carlos banned or some other nonsense like that? What do you mean by this 'given current restrictions off list'?

I assume he was sick or something or involved in the Spanish elections in some way and couldn't post publicly for election reasons or something.

Banning Carlos would make no sense at all, he's one of the most helpful guys around.

Richard Brown had him banned from all lists for some reasons which do not looker kosher to me. However, the ban is only till February (?beginning or end, cannot remember) so Carlos will be back with a vengeance, hopefully :-) .

(The whole spectacle unfolded in Project if you care to look at the archives.)

BC

Given the posting attitude of Brown, I suspect the wrong guy got banned. Puts the lie to the whole "Community Drstro" claim that OpenSuse always likes to make. -- After all is said and done, more is said than done. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

Felix Miata

02:29

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John Andersen composed on 2015-12-22 18:00 (UTC-0800):

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Given the posting attitude of Brown, I suspect the wrong guy got banned.

At the time, I did indeed get a sense http://lists.opensuse.org/opensuse/2014-09/msg00883.html was blamed on him, one of the earlier of the ban triggers, one in which I could find no sign of his participation in. -- "The wise are known for their understanding, and pleasant words are persuasive." Proverbs 16:21 (New Living Translation) Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

David C. Rankin

02:14

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On 12/22/2015 07:41 PM, Basil Chupin wrote:

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Richard Brown had him banned from all lists for some reasons which do not looker kosher to me. However, the ban is only till February (?beginning or end, cannot remember) so Carlos will be back with a vengeance, hopefully :-) .

(The whole spectacle unfolded in Project if you care to look at the archives.)

It seems we have some we have some less than constructive currents flowing through the community as of late. Sad... Seems a long way from "Software und SystemEntwicklung" -- David C. Rankin, J.D.,P.E. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

Xen

18:13

New subject: [opensuse] Moderation on mailing list (was: Scan application question: [SOLVED])

David C. Rankin schreef op 23-12-2015 3:14:

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Richard Brown had him banned from all lists for some reasons which do not looker kosher to me. However, the ban is only till February (?beginning or end, cannot remember) so Carlos will be back with a vengeance, hopefully :-) .

(The whole spectacle unfolded in Project if you care to look at the archives.)

It seems we have some we have some less than constructive currents flowing through the community as of late. Sad... Seems a long way from "Software und SystemEntwicklung"

Yeah, at least then ban me. I'm trying to find the places in Project where Carlos has been offensive, but I can't find any. It's getting a bit tiring. Except perhaps: "Hopefully now Richard will see now that is nothing personal with me, as he usually seems to think." I must say, just an opinion, and as usual quite worthless, that I thought this Richard Brown, as he is the project leader apparently, and I do not know such things, but: I thought mr. Richard to be less respectful in his wording and messaging than Carlos or any of the others. For example, attacking someone because the person uses the "it was said" style of referring to other people's opinions (referring to an unknown group that has a certain opinion, without providing evidence or reference) and then saying " I'm very disappointed to see you use the technique of citing others without examples in order to make your opinion sound more widely supported." is not only a tad hostile but also rather dishonest itself. Other people chimed in (in that thread) and provided those "much wanted references" which kinda made it clear, or even proved, that mr. Carlos was not "inventing things". So even though his statements may be or may have been called "lazy" it was not a dishonest technique in order to influence the apparent public opinion in a dishonest or unfair way. At the same time, mr. Richard's statement can certainly be called such: he tried to influence the apparent public opinion by dishonestly calling mr. Carlos's statement "ungrounded" when they were not. So the one thing mr. Richard Brown accused mr. Carlos E.R. of, he was doing himself. Now, perhaps, if someone is using dishonest techniques himself, in a subtle yet obvious way, as a means of stifling debate or cutting short some people or some opinions, I can imagine these people would respond eventually in a "aggressive" way. First you disrespect people, and then if they object, you ban them for their "aggression". In this way, disagreement is framed as impoliteness and then framed in such a way as to be in violation of some Code of Conduct. It has happened before. It is also simply a way to cut short any form of resistance. We have, if I am this time allowed to refer to it, perhaps all heard of the Kubuntu debacle in which mr. Jonathan Riddell was one of those "aggressors" who violated the "CoC" when he became angry with attempts by the Ubuntu Council to thwart real dicussion and honest appraisal of his complaints. Riddell may have been ghastly, was often a bit arrogant and overly short and perhaps abrasive in his responses, which made UCC members feel rather afraid of working with him, but at the same time that doesn't mean those UCC members and Canonical itself hadn't been doing the exact thing he said they had been doing. And people sometimes become impatient and annoyed. And a company's or a group's mode of operation may very well be structurally disrespectful of other people's rights. Yet such disrespect is always framed as being civilized, appropriate and "well intended". Meanwhile these civilized, appropriate and well-intending individuals often trample other people's rights and concerns. But they get away with it, because they are in charge. They are the ones wielding the ban stick. You never see it the other way around: the 'oppressors' resorting to 'aggression' and violating the 'code of conduct' they themselves have devised to keep people in check. Perhaps I am, as they say, being hyperbolic again. Perhaps my mode of operandus is overly assaultive again, at this point?. But I just want to say that not all is as it appears. Every hierarchical organisation uses a stick to beat people that fall out of line. Often times, such falling out of line is framed in terms of a flaw in character: they fall out of line because they have an "authority issue" and if you want a funny yet horrid example of this just read the first chapter of "Living with the passsive-aggressive man" by Scott Wetzler to see how resistance is framed as a personal failing. Succumbing or submitting to authority is seen as the proper way to live life. There are more such attributions that are well-known, such as "commitment issues" or "fear of commitment" when a man (always a man) doesn't want to stick to a fixed monogamous relationship. His natural tendency to be free is seen as personal failing. But in this case. Mr. Carlos was probably being what we may call "disobedient" and he was punished for it. It was said that they hope that this punishment will "improve" his behaviour. If anything, it will naturally make him more resentful and even more angry. I think this is dishonest. He was being a trouble and he was disciplined for it. It has nothing to do with morals, or politeness, or behaviour, and everything to do with politics. So if this is the truth, at least just say so. Say "We disciplined him because he was a troublesome element" or "He was disciplined for falling out of line." Insincerity is the final hallmark of a repressive regime. And I'd be happy to take his place as a banned person, as my contributions are practically worthless anyway, as I'm sure you'd all agree. Regards, and signing out , .. "Xen". -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

Felix Miata

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Basil Chupin composed on 2015-12-23 12:41 (UTC+1100):

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WTF??? Is Carlos banned or some other nonsense like that? What do you mean by this 'given current restrictions off list'?

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I assume he was sick or something or involved in the Spanish elections in some way and couldn't post publicly for election reasons or something.

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Banning Carlos would make no sense at all, he's one of the most helpful guys around.

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Richard Brown had him banned from all lists for some reasons which do not looker kosher to me.

What it comes down to is don't drink and post. If you do what naturally occurs during the tongue liberation that occurs whilst imbibing, and get caught, it can cost you. Carlos got caught, IMO by a micromanaging moderation team that has very low tolerance for certain subjects and words in any way associated with opensuse.org escaping into the grasp of Google.

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However, the ban is only till February (?beginning or end, cannot remember)

Middle of Feb. The "final warning" was on 22 Oct., the 3 month ban 23 days later. -- "Politicians are like diapers; they need to be changed often, and for the same reason." Mark Twain Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

David C. Rankin

02:01

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On 12/22/2015 07:16 PM, John Andersen wrote:

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I assume he was sick or something or involved in the Spanish elections in some way and couldn't post publicly for election reasons or something.

Banning Carlos would make no sense at all, he's one of the most helpful guys around.

Not to mention one of the most polite, apolitical and overtly helpful for at least the past decade, if not longer. That makes more sense now. I had a moment where I thought the world was coming unglued, unhinged, etc.. Carlos banned... really... What kind of numbskull would ban Carlos? -- David C. Rankin, J.D.,P.E. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

Felix Miata

02:42

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David C. Rankin composed on 2015-12-22 20:01 (UTC-0600):

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Carlos banned... really... What kind of numbskull would ban Carlos?

Had this thread a proper topic, Carlos would probably provide a private answer. He might anyway, at least if you ask him. It will surprise me if Richard Brown does not provide an answer once he awakens to find this thread. -- "The wise are known for their understanding, and pleasant words are persuasive." Proverbs 16:21 (New Living Translation) Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

Basil Chupin

05:56

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On 23/12/15 13:42, Felix Miata wrote:

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David C. Rankin composed on 2015-12-22 20:01 (UTC-0600):

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Carlos banned... really... What kind of numbskull would ban Carlos? Had this thread a proper topic, Carlos would probably provide a private answer. He might anyway, at least if you ask him. It will surprise me if Richard Brown does not provide an answer once he awakens to find this thread.

Oh I am sure that he certainly will respond, and we all await that with bated breaths :-) . BC -- Using openSUSE 13.2, KDE 4.14.9 & kernel 4.3.3-2 on a system with- AMD FX 8-core 3.6/4.2GHz processor 16GB PC14900/1866MHz Quad Channel RAM Gigabyte AMD3+ m/board; Gigabyte nVidia GTX660 GPU -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

Oliver Kurz

07:30

New subject: [opensuse] Re: Moderation on mailing list (was: Scan application question: [SOLVED])

On Wednesday 23 December 2015 16:56:23 Basil Chupin wrote:

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David C. Rankin composed on 2015-12-22 20:01 (UTC-0600):

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Carlos banned... really... What kind of numbskull would ban Carlos?

Had this thread a proper topic, Carlos would probably provide a private answer. He might anyway, at least if you ask him. It will surprise me if Richard Brown does not provide an answer once he awakens to find this thread. Oh I am sure that he certainly will respond, and we all await that with bated breaths :-) .

… or maybe not as you just try to lure him into dangerous waters ;-) Please stick to the netiquette: https://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Mailing_list_netiquette#Changing_the_subjec... Also the following paragraph might be helpful: "Don't be aggressive" If you think you can do better than other members of the community, that's good! Stick to the good examples to show this :-) Oliver -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

Richard Brown

08:35

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David C. Rankin composed on 2015-12-22 20:01 (UTC-0600):

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Carlos banned... really... What kind of numbskull would ban Carlos?

Had this thread a proper topic, Carlos would probably provide a private answer. He might anyway, at least if you ask him. It will surprise me if Richard Brown does not provide an answer once he awakens to find this thread. Oh I am sure that he certainly will respond, and we all await that with bated breaths :-) .

… or maybe not as you just try to lure him into dangerous waters ;-)

Actually I will, but I'll try my best to keep it short and sweet :) Yes, Carlos is currently banned from posting on any openSUSE mailinglists or Forum. The reason for this was an ongoing pattern of behaviour which can only be described as 'disruptive', including disparagement/disrespect of other contributors and their contributions, excessive 'content-light/noise making' posts on development lists and personal attacks. The trigger for the ban was a personal attack against me, but the ban (an exceptional action) was only considered due to the exceptional nature and volume of all of Carlos' behaviour leading up to and including the personal attack against me. The ban was not a singular response to that single incident. I did not 'arrange' for the Ban. This course of action was decided collectively by the openSUSE Board after significant deliberations, and included the co-operation of both our Forum and Mailinglist administrators. Permanent and Indefinite bans were considered, but I tabled the suggestion of a time-limited ban, and the Board decided on a 3 month period, which is due to end on 14th February. It is worth noting that Carlos was previously banned from the Forums a few weeks earlier for similar behaviours, an action which was decided by the Forum team without escalation to the Board. When deciding upon this recent sanction banning him from both the forums and the lists for a longer period of time, the Board took the previous issues and actions by the Forum team into account. While I realise it is an escalation, I hope that this action might finally lead to positive change. Banning people from our communication channels is a last resort, but discussions, warnings and previous bans were all proven to have no effect. I am encouraged by seeing Carlos continuing his support of users on this list (something which he has always done well and is a credit to his character), and am hopeful that when he returns in February we can all experience his positive involvement in the Project without the negative, disruptive aspects we've sadly had to deal with leading up to his ban Richard Brown openSUSE Chairman of the Board On Behalf of the openSUSE Board -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

Basil Chupin

24 Dec 24 Dec

13:54

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On 23/12/15 19:35, Richard Brown wrote:

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Carlos banned... really... What kind of numbskull would ban Carlos? Had this thread a proper topic, Carlos would probably provide a private answer. He might anyway, at least if you ask him. It will surprise me if Richard Brown does not provide an answer once he awakens to find this

David C. Rankin composed on 2015-12-22 20:01 (UTC-0600): thread. Oh I am sure that he certainly will respond, and we all await that with bated breaths :-) . … or maybe not as you just try to lure him into dangerous waters ;-)

Actually I will, but I'll try my best to keep it short and sweet :)

Yes, Carlos is currently banned from posting on any openSUSE mailinglists or Forum.

The reason for this was an ongoing pattern of behaviour which can only be described as 'disruptive', including disparagement/disrespect of other contributors and their contributions, excessive 'content-light/noise making' posts on development lists and personal attacks.

The trigger for the ban was a personal attack against me,

I am wondering if some other people apart from Carlos have been banned, at your request or otherwise, when they have made a "personal attack against [you]"? I only ask to be sure that I have the story clear in my mind about what happened with Carlos' banning. Particularly, I am wondering if the following have been banned by posting what I would recognise as attacks on one's competence: quote As long as I'm concerned about _how_ you are doing your job, I'm going to criticize it. And given the way you are communicating recently, I'm concerned a lot. So I'm going to criticize you, learn to live with it. Or, better, try to learn from the feedback you get. unquote http://lists.opensuse.org/opensuse-project/2015-12/msg00038.html and then a few days ago this was posted': quote But you need to get that really bad attitude out of your responses; even an imagined insinuation that Leap is not the greatest thing since sex gets a snide and nasty response from you. I have no opinion on Leap at all, either way, so cool it. Thank you. unquote http://lists.opensuse.org/opensuse/2015-12/msg00474.html

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but the ban (an exceptional action) was only considered due to the exceptional nature and volume of all of Carlos' behaviour leading up to and including the personal attack against me. The ban was not a singular response to that single incident.

I did not 'arrange' for the Ban. This course of action was decided collectively by the openSUSE Board after significant deliberations, and included the co-operation of both our Forum and Mailinglist administrators.

Permanent and Indefinite bans were considered, but I tabled the suggestion of a time-limited ban, and the Board decided on a 3 month period, which is due to end on 14th February.

It is worth noting that Carlos was previously banned from the Forums a few weeks earlier for similar behaviours, an action which was decided by the Forum team without escalation to the Board. When deciding upon this recent sanction banning him from both the forums and the lists for a longer period of time, the Board took the previous issues and actions by the Forum team into account. While I realise it is an escalation, I hope that this action might finally lead to positive change. Banning people from our communication channels is a last resort, but discussions, warnings and previous bans were all proven to have no effect.

I am encouraged by seeing Carlos continuing his support of users on this list (something which he has always done well and is a credit to his character),

And I am sure that I express the feelings of many others when I state that we are all looking forward to the end of the Carlos' unnecessary and undeserved disengagement from the openSUSE mail lists.

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and am hopeful that when he returns in February we can all experience his positive involvement in the Project without the negative, disruptive aspects we've sadly had to deal with leading up to his ban

And I am sure that I express the hope of many others on these lists that we would not have to read in the new year or at any other time in the future such comments as I quote above by Michal and 'listreader'. And as today is -- it is now being close to 0100 hours -- Christmas day I wish you, Richard, and everyone else on this list, Season's Greetings.

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Richard Brown openSUSE Chairman of the Board On Behalf of the openSUSE Board

BC -- Using openSUSE 13.2, KDE 4.14.9 & kernel 4.3.3-2 on a system with- AMD FX 8-core 3.6/4.2GHz processor 16GB PC14900/1866MHz Quad Channel RAM Gigabyte AMD3+ m/board; Gigabyte nVidia GTX660 GPU -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

ellanios82

15:38

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Carlos' ~ from the openSUSE mail lists ..........

New Years Day Clemency : apposite ........... regards -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

ianseeks

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On Friday 25 Dec 2015 00:54:05 Basil Chupin wrote:

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David C. Rankin composed on 2015-12-22 20:01 (UTC-0600):

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Carlos banned... really... What kind of numbskull would ban Carlos?

Had this thread a proper topic, Carlos would probably provide a private answer. He might anyway, at least if you ask him. It will surprise me if Richard Brown does not provide an answer once he awakens to find this thread.

Oh I am sure that he certainly will respond, and we all await that with bated breaths :-) .

… or maybe not as you just try to lure him into dangerous waters ;-)

Actually I will, but I'll try my best to keep it short and sweet :)

Yes, Carlos is currently banned from posting on any openSUSE mailinglists or Forum.

The reason for this was an ongoing pattern of behaviour which can only be described as 'disruptive', including disparagement/disrespect of other contributors and their contributions, excessive 'content-light/noise making' posts on development lists and personal attacks.

The trigger for the ban was a personal attack against me,

I am wondering if some other people apart from Carlos have been banned, at your request or otherwise, when they have made a "personal attack against [you]"? I only ask to be sure that I have the story clear in my mind about what happened with Carlos' banning.

Particularly, I am wondering if the following have been banned by posting what I would recognise as attacks on one's competence:

quote

As long as I'm concerned about _how_ you are doing your job, I'm going to criticize it. And given the way you are communicating recently, I'm concerned a lot. So I'm going to criticize you, learn to live with it. Or, better, try to learn from the feedback you get.

unquote

http://lists.opensuse.org/opensuse-project/2015-12/msg00038.html

and then a few days ago this was posted':

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But you need to get that really bad attitude out of your responses; even an imagined insinuation that Leap is not the greatest thing since sex gets a snide and nasty response from you. I have no opinion on Leap at all, either way, so cool it. Thank you.

unquote

http://lists.opensuse.org/opensuse/2015-12/msg00474.html

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but the ban

(an exceptional action) was only considered due to the exceptional nature and volume of all of Carlos' behaviour leading up to and including the personal attack against me. The ban was not a singular response to that single incident.

I did not 'arrange' for the Ban. This course of action was decided collectively by the openSUSE Board after significant deliberations, and included the co-operation of both our Forum and Mailinglist administrators.

Permanent and Indefinite bans were considered, but I tabled the suggestion of a time-limited ban, and the Board decided on a 3 month period, which is due to end on 14th February.

It is worth noting that Carlos was previously banned from the Forums a few weeks earlier for similar behaviours, an action which was decided by the Forum team without escalation to the Board. When deciding upon this recent sanction banning him from both the forums and the lists for a longer period of time, the Board took the previous issues and actions by the Forum team into account. While I realise it is an escalation, I hope that this action might finally lead to positive change. Banning people from our communication channels is a last resort, but discussions, warnings and previous bans were all proven to have no effect.

I am encouraged by seeing Carlos continuing his support of users on this list (something which he has always done well and is a credit to his character),

And I am sure that I express the feelings of many others when I state that we are all looking forward to the end of the Carlos' unnecessary and undeserved disengagement from the openSUSE mail lists.

agreed

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and am hopeful that when he returns in February we can

all experience his positive involvement in the Project without the negative, disruptive aspects we've sadly had to deal with leading up to his ban

And I am sure that I express the hope of many others on these lists that we would not have to read in the new year or at any other time in the future such comments as I quote above by Michal and 'listreader'.

And as today is -- it is now being close to 0100 hours -- Christmas day I wish you, Richard, and everyone else on this list, Season's Greetings.

...
Richard Brown openSUSE Chairman of the Board On Behalf of the openSUSE Board

BC

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Per Jessen

31 Dec 31 Dec

08:14

New subject: [opensuse] Re: Moderation on mailing list

Basil Chupin wrote:

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And I am sure that I express the feelings of many others when I state that we are all looking forward to the end of the Carlos' unnecessary and undeserved disengagement from the openSUSE mail lists.

Absolutely. -- Per Jessen, Zürich (4.6°C) http://www.hostsuisse.com/ - virtual servers, made in Switzerland. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

buhorojo

24 Dec 24 Dec

17:52

New subject: [opensuse] Re: Moderation on mailing list

On 23/12/15 09:35, Richard Brown wrote:

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On 23 December 2015 at 07:30, Oliver Kurz wrote:

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On Wednesday 23 December 2015 16:56:23 Basil Chupin wrote:

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On 23/12/15 13:42, Felix Miata wrote:

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Carlos banned... really... What kind of numbskull would ban Carlos? Had this thread a proper topic, Carlos would probably provide a private answer. He might anyway, at least if you ask him. It will surprise me if Richard Brown does not provide an answer once he awakens to find this

David C. Rankin composed on 2015-12-22 20:01 (UTC-0600): thread. Oh I am sure that he certainly will respond, and we all await that with bated breaths :-) . … or maybe not as you just try to lure him into dangerous waters ;-)

Actually I will, but I'll try my best to keep it short and sweet :)

Yes, Carlos is currently banned from posting on any openSUSE mailinglists or Forum.

The reason for this was an ongoing pattern of behaviour which can only be described as 'disruptive', including disparagement/disrespect of other contributors and their contributions, excessive 'content-light/noise making' posts on development lists and personal attacks.

The trigger for the ban was a personal attack against me, but the ban (an exceptional action) was only considered due to the exceptional nature and volume of all of Carlos' behaviour leading up to and including the personal attack against me. The ban was not a singular response to that single incident.

I did not 'arrange' for the Ban. This course of action was decided collectively by the openSUSE Board after significant deliberations, and included the co-operation of both our Forum and Mailinglist administrators.

Permanent and Indefinite bans were considered, but I tabled the suggestion of a time-limited ban, and the Board decided on a 3 month period, which is due to end on 14th February.

It is worth noting that Carlos was previously banned from the Forums a few weeks earlier for similar behaviours, an action which was decided by the Forum team without escalation to the Board. When deciding upon this recent sanction banning him from both the forums and the lists for a longer period of time, the Board took the previous issues and actions by the Forum team into account. While I realise it is an escalation, I hope that this action might finally lead to positive change. Banning people from our communication channels is a last resort, but discussions, warnings and previous bans were all proven to have no effect.

I am encouraged by seeing Carlos continuing his support of users on this list (something which he has always done well and is a credit to his character), and am hopeful that when he returns in February we can all experience his positive involvement in the Project without the negative, disruptive aspects we've sadly had to deal with leading up to his ban

Richard Brown openSUSE Chairman of the Board On Behalf of the openSUSE Board Please reinstate him now. His off list help in both Spanish and English has been invaluable to us. Thanks.

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ianseeks

19:43

New subject: [opensuse] Re: Moderation on mailing list

On Thursday 24 Dec 2015 18:52:01 buhorojo wrote:

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On 23/12/15 09:35, Richard Brown wrote:

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On 23 December 2015 at 07:30, Oliver Kurz wrote:

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On Wednesday 23 December 2015 16:56:23 Basil Chupin wrote:

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On 23/12/15 13:42, Felix Miata wrote:

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David C. Rankin composed on 2015-12-22 20:01 (UTC-0600):

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Carlos banned... really... What kind of numbskull would ban Carlos?

Had this thread a proper topic, Carlos would probably provide a private answer. He might anyway, at least if you ask him. It will surprise me if Richard Brown does not provide an answer once he awakens to find this thread.

Oh I am sure that he certainly will respond, and we all await that with bated breaths :-) .

… or maybe not as you just try to lure him into dangerous waters ;-)

Actually I will, but I'll try my best to keep it short and sweet :)

Yes, Carlos is currently banned from posting on any openSUSE mailinglists or Forum.

The reason for this was an ongoing pattern of behaviour which can only be described as 'disruptive', including disparagement/disrespect of other contributors and their contributions, excessive 'content-light/noise making' posts on development lists and personal attacks.

The trigger for the ban was a personal attack against me, but the ban (an exceptional action) was only considered due to the exceptional nature and volume of all of Carlos' behaviour leading up to and including the personal attack against me. The ban was not a singular response to that single incident.

I did not 'arrange' for the Ban. This course of action was decided collectively by the openSUSE Board after significant deliberations, and included the co-operation of both our Forum and Mailinglist administrators.

Permanent and Indefinite bans were considered, but I tabled the suggestion of a time-limited ban, and the Board decided on a 3 month period, which is due to end on 14th February.

It is worth noting that Carlos was previously banned from the Forums a few weeks earlier for similar behaviours, an action which was decided by the Forum team without escalation to the Board. When deciding upon this recent sanction banning him from both the forums and the lists for a longer period of time, the Board took the previous issues and actions by the Forum team into account. While I realise it is an escalation, I hope that this action might finally lead to positive change. Banning people from our communication channels is a last resort, but discussions, warnings and previous bans were all proven to have no effect.

I am encouraged by seeing Carlos continuing his support of users on this list (something which he has always done well and is a credit to his character), and am hopeful that when he returns in February we can all experience his positive involvement in the Project without the negative, disruptive aspects we've sadly had to deal with leading up to his ban

Richard Brown openSUSE Chairman of the Board On Behalf of the openSUSE Board

Please reinstate him now. His off list help in both Spanish and English has been invaluable to us. Thanks.

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Ruben Safir

25 Dec 25 Dec

20:31

New subject: [opensuse] Re: Moderation on mailing list (was: Scan application question: [SOLVED])

On Wed, Dec 23, 2015 at 08:35:28AM +0000, Richard Brown wrote:

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On 23 December 2015 at 07:30, Oliver Kurz wrote:

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On Wednesday 23 December 2015 16:56:23 Basil Chupin wrote:

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On 23/12/15 13:42, Felix Miata wrote:

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David C. Rankin composed on 2015-12-22 20:01 (UTC-0600):

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Carlos banned... really... What kind of numbskull would ban Carlos?

Had this thread a proper topic, Carlos would probably provide a private answer. He might anyway, at least if you ask him. It will surprise me if Richard Brown does not provide an answer once he awakens to find this thread. Oh I am sure that he certainly will respond, and we all await that with bated breaths :-) .

… or maybe not as you just try to lure him into dangerous waters ;-)

Actually I will, but I'll try my best to keep it short and sweet :)

Yes, Carlos is currently banned from posting on any openSUSE mailinglists or Forum.

The reason for this was an ongoing pattern of behaviour which can only be described as 'disruptive', including disparagement/disrespect of other contributors and their contributions, excessive 'content-light/noise making' posts on development lists and personal attacks.

This is BULLSHIT. Carlos doesn't need this list, but this list needs Carlos. You can write about this for days and it won't matter. I've had disagreements up and down this mailing list, and with Carlos, but it would NEVER cross my mind to shut down the most helpful, and accurate poster on the list. This comes down to a single item point, which is that someones ego has been unecessarly frayed. Fuck it. Check your ego at the door. There is only one right thing to do in this case which is to make a public agology to Carlos and reinstate him... and then hope he returns.

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The trigger for the ban was a personal attack against me,

I have news for you. If you the the trigger for banning Carlos, you need to go. You did a disservice the the world wide SuSE community. I hope your proud of that.... .... I have other things to say mubling under my breadth but I will hold my tounge. Ruben -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

Steven Hess

20:46

New subject: [opensuse] Re: Moderation on mailing list (was: Scan application question: [SOLVED])

I won't make any friends with this but you mostly are ignorant of the facts. Carlos was not banned for his activity on this list. It was for his useless noise and confrontational attitude on the Factory list. He was warned at least twice very politely to self moderate. I didn't. His ban was his own doing. He is lucky it was not forever. Steven -- ____________ Apply appropriate technology. Use what works without prejudice. Steven L Hess ARS KC6KGE DM05gd22 Owner Flex-1500 and Flex-3000 Flex-6300, FT-857D, FT-817ND 927.0875Mhz and 441.125 Repeaters Taft Ca. openSUSE Tumbleweed KDE Plasma with Packman -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

Ruben Safir

20:49

New subject: [opensuse] Re: Moderation on mailing list (was: Scan application question: [SOLVED])

On Fri, Dec 25, 2015 at 12:46:17PM -0800, Steven Hess wrote:

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I won't make any friends with this but you mostly are ignorant of the facts.

Carlos was not banned for his activity on this list. It was for his useless noise and confrontational attitude on the Factory list. He was warned at least twice very politely to self moderate. I didn't. His ban was his own doing. He is lucky it was not forever.

Thus speaketh flamebait at spymail dot com Here is a cue stick for you, don't let it hit you on the way out. Whatever the precieved problems were on the factory list, it had nothing to do with this list.

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Steven

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ianseeks

26 Dec 26 Dec

08:04

New subject: [opensuse] Re: Moderation on mailing list (was: Scan application question: [SOLVED])

On Friday 25 Dec 2015 12:46:17 Steven Hess wrote:

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I won't make any friends with this but you mostly are ignorant of the facts.

Carlos was not banned for his activity on this list. It was for his useless noise and confrontational attitude on the Factory list. He was warned at least twice very politely to self moderate. I didn't. His ban was his own doing. He is lucky it was not forever.

that all sounds like a very trivial and contrived excuse to all of us.

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Steven

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Michal Hrusecky

25 Dec 25 Dec

21:29

New subject: [opensuse] Re: Moderation on mailing list (was: Scan application question: [SOLVED])

Ruben Safir - 15:31 25.12.15 wrote:

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On Wed, Dec 23, 2015 at 08:35:28AM +0000, Richard Brown wrote:

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On 23 December 2015 at 07:30, Oliver Kurz wrote:

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On Wednesday 23 December 2015 16:56:23 Basil Chupin wrote:

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On 23/12/15 13:42, Felix Miata wrote:

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David C. Rankin composed on 2015-12-22 20:01 (UTC-0600):

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Carlos banned... really... What kind of numbskull would ban Carlos?

Had this thread a proper topic, Carlos would probably provide a private answer. He might anyway, at least if you ask him. It will surprise me if Richard Brown does not provide an answer once he awakens to find this thread. Oh I am sure that he certainly will respond, and we all await that with bated breaths :-) .

… or maybe not as you just try to lure him into dangerous waters ;-)

Actually I will, but I'll try my best to keep it short and sweet :)

Yes, Carlos is currently banned from posting on any openSUSE mailinglists or Forum.

The reason for this was an ongoing pattern of behaviour which can only be described as 'disruptive', including disparagement/disrespect of other contributors and their contributions, excessive 'content-light/noise making' posts on development lists and personal attacks.

This is BULLSHIT. Carlos doesn't need this list, but this list needs Carlos.

You can write about this for days and it won't matter. I've had disagreements up and down this mailing list, and with Carlos, but it would NEVER cross my mind to shut down the most helpful, and accurate poster on the list.

This comes down to a single item point, which is that someones ego has been unecessarly frayed.

Fuck it.

I will ignore the part where you are ignoring explanations, but would remind you to mind your language. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

Ruben Safir

21:58

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This comes down to a single item point, which is that someones ego has been unecessarly frayed.

Fuck it.

I will ignore the part where you are ignoring explanations,

There is no explanation.... narrow minded moron.

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but would remind you to mind your language.

This is Brooklyn and that language is clean HERE. http://www.mrbrklyn.com/fucked.mp4 -- So many immigrant groups have swept through our town that Brooklyn, like Atlantis, reaches mythological proportions in the mind of the world - RI Safir 1998 http://www.mrbrklyn.com DRM is THEFT - We are the STAKEHOLDERS - RI Safir 2002 http://www.nylxs.com - Leadership Development in Free Software http://www2.mrbrklyn.com/resources - Unpublished Archive http://www.coinhangout.com - coins! http://www.brooklyn-living.com Being so tracked is for FARM ANIMALS and and extermination camps, but incompatible with living as a free human being. -RI Safir 2013 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

Basil Chupin

24 Dec 24 Dec

14:06

New subject: [opensuse] Re: Moderation on mailing list

On 23/12/15 18:30, Oliver Kurz wrote:

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On Wednesday 23 December 2015 16:56:23 Basil Chupin wrote:

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On 23/12/15 13:42, Felix Miata wrote:

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Carlos banned... really... What kind of numbskull would ban Carlos? Had this thread a proper topic, Carlos would probably provide a private answer. He might anyway, at least if you ask him. It will surprise me if Richard Brown does not provide an answer once he awakens to find this

David C. Rankin composed on 2015-12-22 20:01 (UTC-0600): thread. Oh I am sure that he certainly will respond, and we all await that with bated breaths :-) . … or maybe not as you just try to lure him into dangerous waters ;-)

I still haven't quite managed to grasp the art -- but I am practising VERY hard every day I assure you! -- of hypnotising someone over a distance of many thousands of kilometres to perform acts and, alas, in Richard's case I am not in any position, nor am I even trying to , to lure him into any waters be they dangerous or otherwise. At times I think that he may well get some benefit from the waters at Lourdes but well ... "One can take a horse to water but you cannot make it drink", as the Actress said to the Bishop :-) .

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Please stick to the netiquette: https://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Mailing_list_netiquette#Changing_the_subjec... Also the following paragraph might be helpful: "Don't be aggressive" If you think you can do better than other members of the community, that's good! Stick to the good examples to show this :-)

You sound like a very nice chap so I will ask you if you are addressing the comments in the above paragraph at me or at people in general? I ask because I have only posted 2 responses to posts in this thread, namely: 1) Richard Brown had him banned from all lists for some reasons which do not looker kosher to me. However, the ban is only till February (?beginning or end, cannot remember) so Carlos will be back with a vengeance, hopefully . (The whole spectacle unfolded in Project if you care to look at the archives.) ; and 2) Oh I am sure that he [Richard] certainly will respond, and we all await that with bated breaths . and I cannot see, therefore, how either, in particular, would qualify for the comment "Don't be aggressive". BC -- Using openSUSE 13.2, KDE 4.14.9 & kernel 4.3.3-2 on a system with- AMD FX 8-core 3.6/4.2GHz processor 16GB PC14900/1866MHz Quad Channel RAM Gigabyte AMD3+ m/board; Gigabyte nVidia GTX660 GPU -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

Oliver Kurz

21:59

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On Friday 25 December 2015 01:06:42 Basil Chupin wrote:

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Please stick to the netiquette: https://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Mailing_list_netiquette#Changing_the_subj ect_without_opening_a_new_thread Also the following paragraph might be helpful: "Don't be aggressive" If you think you can do better than other members of the community, that's good! Stick to the good examples to show this :-)

You sound like a very nice chap so I will ask you if you are addressing the comments in the above paragraph at me or at people in general?

Not at you specifically, just people in general.

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[…] and I cannot see, therefore, how either, in particular, would qualify for the comment "Don't be aggressive".

Me neither, that's fine. Was just a "quick reminder" to keep the stakes at bay. Everything is ok so far, continue as usual ;-) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

Basil Chupin

25 Dec 25 Dec

10:31

New subject: [opensuse] Re: Moderation on mailing list

On 25/12/15 08:59, Oliver Kurz wrote:

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On Friday 25 December 2015 01:06:42 Basil Chupin wrote:

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Please stick to the netiquette: https://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Mailing_list_netiquette#Changing_the_subj ect_without_opening_a_new_thread Also the following paragraph might be helpful: "Don't be aggressive" If you think you can do better than other members of the community, that's good! Stick to the good examples to show this :-) You sound like a very nice chap so I will ask you if you are addressing

[…] the comments in the above paragraph at me or at people in general? Not at you specifically, just people in general.

Thank you.

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[…] and I cannot see, therefore, how either, in particular, would qualify for the comment "Don't be aggressive". Me neither, that's fine. Was just a "quick reminder" to keep the stakes at bay. Everything is ok so far, continue as usual ;-)

"Continue" I will -- but only in so far as it deals with technical matters, or matters which affect the dissemination of technical information in these list such as Carlos not being allowed to help those using the Spanish HELP list :-) . BC -- Using openSUSE 13.2, KDE 4.14.9 & kernel 4.3.3-2 on a system with- AMD FX 8-core 3.6/4.2GHz processor 16GB PC14900/1866MHz Quad Channel RAM Gigabyte AMD3+ m/board; Gigabyte nVidia GTX660 GPU -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

Joachim Schrod

23 Dec 23 Dec

02:04

New subject: [opensuse] Re: Scan application question: [SOLVED]

On 12/23/15 02:16, John Andersen wrote:

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On 12/22/2015 05:07 PM, David C. Rankin wrote:

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On 12/18/2015 12:56 AM, stakanov@freenet.de wrote:

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Von: John Andersen Gesendet: Do. 17.12.2015 20:20 An:opensuse@opensuse.org

First of all thank you to all who replied (also to Carlos ER who replied, given current restrictions off list and was - as times before - helpful).

WTF??? Is Carlos banned or some other nonsense like that? What do you mean by this 'given current restrictions off list'?

I assume he was sick or something or involved in the Spanish elections in some way and couldn't post publicly for election reasons or something.

Banning Carlos would make no sense at all, he's one of the most helpful guys around.

Yes, talk about banning Carlos, irritating as he is often enough, makes me actively evaluating other distros. (I'm using S.u.S.E. since 4.2, FWIW. Yes, that's the one with the dot between 4 and 2) Also the opinion that Leap users shall not use OBS repositories because they are too incompetent to handle the resulting situation is disheartening; OBS and its available software add-on repositories not included in the distro is *the* primary argument for using openSUSE. Joachim -- =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Joachim Schrod, Roedermark, Germany Email: jschrod@acm.org -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

jdd

07:11

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Le 23/12/2015 02:07, David C. Rankin a écrit :

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WTF??? Is Carlos banned or some other nonsense like that? What do you mean by this 'given current restrictions off list'?

yes... jdd -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

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