Thunderbird characters size not adjustable
Hello, Somebody could tell me if I have any chance to adjust Inbox messages characters size whose source contains: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Messages coming sent with the above format are not adjustable in characters size by Thunderbird: they stay the same and too small for reading. I say this because if the format of source message is different, as for example: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252"; format="flowed" Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Then the size of the characters size is adjustable and adequate for an optimal reading. I remember this is a very old problem of Thundebird I faced from the very beginning many years ago. Thanks, -- Marco Calistri Build: openSUSE Tumbleweed 20210408 Kernel:5.11.11-1-default Desktop: XFCE (4.16.0)
On 14/04/2021 21.32, Marco Calistri wrote:
Hello,
Somebody could tell me if I have any chance to adjust Inbox messages characters size whose source contains:
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
This message of yours is: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit and I can resize it with [ctrl][+] / [-] (numeric keybpad)
-- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 15.2 x86_64 at Telcontar)
Il 14/04/21 17:45, Carlos E.R. ha scritto:
On 14/04/2021 21.32, Marco Calistri wrote:
Hello,
Somebody could tell me if I have any chance to adjust Inbox messages characters size whose source contains:
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
This message of yours is:
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
and I can resize it with [ctrl][+] / [-] (numeric keybpad)
Yes, This is working for me as well but it is not practical to use the CTRL-Zoom in my opinion. I would like to have a fixed option valid for all the messages view in the Thunderbird main pane, independently of their encoding. Thanks, -- Marco Calistri Build: openSUSE Tumbleweed 20210408 Kernel:5.11.11-1-default Desktop: XFCE (4.16.0)
Il 14/04/21 17:45, Carlos E.R. ha scritto:
On 14/04/2021 21.32, Marco Calistri wrote:
Hello,
Somebody could tell me if I have any chance to adjust Inbox messages characters size whose source contains:
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
This message of yours is:
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
and I can resize it with [ctrl][+] / [-] (numeric keybpad)
Yes,
This is working for me as well but it is not practical to use the CTRL-Zoom in my opinion. I would like to have a fixed option valid for all the messages view in the Thunderbird main pane, independently of their encoding.
Thanks,
-- Marco Calistri Build: openSUSE Tumbleweed 20210408 Kernel:5.11.11-1-default Desktop: XFCE (4.16.0) It was interesting to modify the type size with the ctrl and + and - keys in the keypad--something I never would have guessed at. The user should be aware, however, that whatever modification he/she has made to one post, will remain active on all following
On 4/14/21 7:00 PM, Marco Calistri wrote: posts--if you made the text 1/2" high in message 1, it will be 1/2" high in messages 2, 3, 4, and so on, ad infinitum, until you change it back. That may be what you want, or it may not be, so bear that in mind! --doug
On 4/14/21 4:45 PM, Carlos E.R. wrote:
On 14/04/2021 21.32, Marco Calistri wrote:
Hello,
Somebody could tell me if I have any chance to adjust Inbox messages characters size whose source contains:
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
This message of yours is:
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
and I can resize it with [ctrl][+] / [-] (numeric keybpad)
also [ctrl] + mousewheel
On 15/04/2021 10.37, Peter McD wrote:
Am 15.04.21 um 01:18 schrieb Michael Spartana:
On 4/14/21 4:45 PM, Carlos E.R. wrote:
and I can resize it with [ctrl][+] / [-] (numeric keybpad)
also [ctrl] + mousewheel
Great, I didn't know that.
Me neither... -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 15.2 x86_64 at Telcontar)
On Thu, Apr 15, 2021 at 12:16:47PM +0200, Carlos E. R. wrote:
On 15/04/2021 10.37, Peter McD wrote:
Am 15.04.21 um 01:18 schrieb Michael Spartana:
On 4/14/21 4:45 PM, Carlos E.R. wrote:
and I can resize it with [ctrl][+] / [-] (numeric keybpad)
also [ctrl] + mousewheel
Great, I didn't know that.
Me neither...
This is a generic zoom operation that works within most applications, try it with konsole for fun. Super-handy when you have the wrong glasses perched on your head and can't find the right ones chained around your neck - so I've been told ;-) Daniel
On 15/04/2021 13.08, Daniel Morris wrote:
On Thu, Apr 15, 2021 at 12:16:47PM +0200, Carlos E. R. wrote:
On 15/04/2021 10.37, Peter McD wrote:
Am 15.04.21 um 01:18 schrieb Michael Spartana:
On 4/14/21 4:45 PM, Carlos E.R. wrote:
and I can resize it with [ctrl][+] / [-] (numeric keybpad)
also [ctrl] + mousewheel
Great, I didn't know that.
Me neither...
This is a generic zoom operation that works within most applications, try it with konsole for fun. Super-handy when you have the wrong glasses perched on your head and can't find the right ones chained around your neck - so I've been told ;-)
:-D There are so many "tricks" that it is impossible to remember all of them. -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 15.2 x86_64 at Telcontar)
On 2021/04/14 12:32, Marco Calistri wrote:
Hello,
Somebody could tell me if I have any chance to adjust Inbox messages characters size whose source contains:
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
--- Many times there is a separate font used for the cases you mention, they are usually configurable under Options+Display then fonts -- where that can allow you to choose fonts/encoding. Also if you know how to get into the about:config option in Tbird, and look for the value of "layout.css.devPixelsPerPx", (I see it as a string value), then changing that value from the default of -1 (or 1) to values like 1.1 or 1.2 should give about a 10 or 20% size increase across your entire UI.
Il 14/04/21 20:33, L A Walsh ha scritto:
On 2021/04/14 12:32, Marco Calistri wrote:
Hello,
Somebody could tell me if I have any chance to adjust Inbox messages characters size whose source contains:
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
Many times there is a separate font used for the cases you mention, they are usually configurable under Options+Display then fonts -- where that can allow you to choose fonts/encoding.
Also if you know how to get into the about:config option in Tbird, and look for the value of "layout.css.devPixelsPerPx", (I see it as a string value), then changing that value from the default of -1 (or 1) to values like 1.1 or 1.2 should give about a 10 or 20% size increase across your entire UI.
This is interesting to check! I'll try that as soon as I get some spare time. Thank you! -- Marco Calistri Build: openSUSE Tumbleweed 20210408 Kernel:5.11.11-1-default Desktop: XFCE (4.16.0)
Il 14/04/21 20:33, L A Walsh ha scritto:
On 2021/04/14 12:32, Marco Calistri wrote:
Hello,
Somebody could tell me if I have any chance to adjust Inbox messages characters size whose source contains:
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
Many times there is a separate font used for the cases you mention, they are usually configurable under Options+Display then fonts -- where that can allow you to choose fonts/encoding.
Also if you know how to get into the about:config option in Tbird, and look for the value of "layout.css.devPixelsPerPx", (I see it as a string value), then changing that value from the default of -1 (or 1) to values like 1.1 or 1.2 should give about a 10 or 20% size increase across your entire UI I tried this "about.config" option as first attempt but for me it has no effect: default was -1.0 I changed to 1.0 and no effects on the UI.
I resolved my chars size issue just by _disabling_ the option (I'm trying to translate from Italian to English): */Use fixed width characters for simple text messages/**/ /**/ /*Now I have not to zoom anymore to read such small simple text messages in Thunderbird. Regards, //*//* -- Marco Calistri Build: openSUSE Tumbleweed 20210408 Kernel:5.11.11-1-default Desktop: XFCE (4.16.0)
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Il 14/04/21 20:33, L A Walsh ha scritto: On 2021/04/14 12:32, Marco Calistri wrote:
...
I resolved my chars size issue just by disabling the option (I'm trying to translate from Italian to English):
Use fixed width characters for simple text messages
That's specially bad in a computer related mail list. Tell me how you see this: +----------+ | | | | | |----> Ascii Drawing. | 1 | | +----------+ a - -- Cheers, Carlos E. R. (from openSUSE 15.2 x86_64 at Telcontar) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iHoEARECADoWIQQZEb51mJKK1KpcU/W1MxgcbY1H1QUCYHh9Sxwccm9iaW4ubGlz dGFzQHRlbGVmb25pY2EubmV0AAoJELUzGBxtjUfVo4EAn3n+sRXhRZLtsk92qF7g 5XsBx9D+AKCIZzxoelQLD45SunN4jwFDHSAfsQ== =i0qu -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
Il 15/04/21 14:52, Carlos E. R. ha scritto:
El 2021-04-15 a las 12:10 -0300, Marco Calistri escribió:
Il 14/04/21 20:33, L A Walsh ha scritto: On 2021/04/14 12:32, Marco Calistri wrote:
...
I resolved my chars size issue just by disabling the option (I'm trying to translate from Italian to English):
Use fixed width characters for simple text messages
That's specially bad in a computer related mail list. Tell me how you see this:
+----------+ | | | | | |----> Ascii Drawing. | 1 | | +----------+
a
-- Cheers, Carlos E. R. (from openSUSE 15.2 x86_64 at Telcontar)
I see some signs: +, -, |, > and the phrase Ascii Drawing. I don't care about "recommendations" regarding mailing list because they are not representing my focus. I want to be able to read the email in same way, independtly if HTML or pure text without to get boring to do Ctrl something to zoom in just on mailing list too small fonts. Thanks and regards, -- Marco Calistri Build: openSUSE Tumbleweed 20210408 Kernel:5.11.11-1-default Desktop: XFCE (4.16.0)
On 16/04/2021 17.21, Marco Calistri wrote:
Il 15/04/21 14:52, Carlos E. R. ha scritto:
El 2021-04-15 a las 12:10 -0300, Marco Calistri escribió:
Il 14/04/21 20:33, L A Walsh ha scritto: On 2021/04/14 12:32, Marco Calistri wrote:
...
I resolved my chars size issue just by disabling the option (I'm trying to translate from Italian to English):
Use fixed width characters for simple text messages
That's specially bad in a computer related mail list. Tell me how you see this:
+----------+ | | | | | |----> Ascii Drawing. | 1 | | +----------+
I see some signs: +, -, |, > and the phrase Ascii Drawing.
I don't care about "recommendations" regarding mailing list because they are not representing my focus.
Your loss. I made a drawing, and your choices do not permit you to see it.
I want to be able to read the email in same way, independtly if HTML or pure text without to get boring to do Ctrl something to zoom in just on mailing list too small fonts.
I adjusted mine, no problems. -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 15.2 x86_64 at Telcontar)
Il 15/04/21 14:52, Carlos E. R. ha scritto:
El 2021-04-15 a las 12:10 -0300, Marco Calistri escribió:
Il 14/04/21 20:33, L A Walsh ha scritto: On 2021/04/14 12:32, Marco Calistri wrote:
...
I resolved my chars size issue just by disabling the option (I'm trying to translate from Italian to English):
Use fixed width characters for simple text messages
That's specially bad in a computer related mail list. Tell me how you see this:
+----------+ | | | | | |----> Ascii Drawing. | 1 | | +----------+
a
-- Cheers, Carlos E. R. (from openSUSE 15.2 x86_64 at Telcontar)
To be more detailed Carlos, With fixed fonts disabled the Ascii drawing results imperfect (not linear) but it is still quietly viewable. Regards, Marco
Carlos, et al -- ...and then Carlos E. R. said... % % El 2021-04-15 a las 12:10 -0300, Marco Calistri escribió: ... % >Use fixed width characters for simple text messages % % That's specially bad in a computer related mail list. Tell me how % you see this: That's bad? I would think that that it is GOOD. Why would proportional fonts be better than fixed on a computer list? I can think of countless occasions when someone tried to list some code (indentation), point to a piece of a line above (lots of spacing/tabbing), draw a picture (spacing plus chars of different thicknesses), and so on that crash horribly under proportional fonts. % % +----------+ % | | % | | % | |----> Ascii Drawing. % | 1 % | | % +----------+ It looks like a lovely box to me, of course (save for the "1" oops), because I use a fixed-with font :-) Soooooo ... Confusion? Typo? Or a real opinion that proportional is better than fixed? Just curious, with a dash of confused ... Have a great day! :-D -- David T-G See http://justpickone.org/davidtg/email/ See http://justpickone.org/davidtg/tofu.txt
On 18/04/2021 05.23, David T-G wrote:
Carlos, et al --
...and then Carlos E. R. said... % % El 2021-04-15 a las 12:10 -0300, Marco Calistri escribió: ... % >Use fixed width characters for simple text messages % % That's specially bad in a computer related mail list. Tell me how % you see this:
That's bad? I would think that that it is GOOD. Why would proportional fonts be better than fixed on a computer list? I can think of countless occasions when someone tried to list some code (indentation), point to a piece of a line above (lots of spacing/tabbing), draw a picture (spacing plus chars of different thicknesses), and so on that crash horribly under proportional fonts.
Exactly, that's the issue. Wait, maybe I misunderstood what he said :-? [...] Yeah, I did. My mind read a different thing that what the letter said :-( My mind interpreted "use proportional font". Sorry, Marco.
% % +----------+ % | | % | | % | |----> Ascii Drawing. % | 1 % | | % +----------+
It looks like a lovely box to me, of course (save for the "1" oops), because I use a fixed-with font :-)
Soooooo ... Confusion? Typo? Or a real opinion that proportional is better than fixed? Just curious, with a dash of confused ...
Confusion. Thanks for noticing... (yes, you also noticed the "1" oops. The "|" in the Spanish keyboard is on the "1" key + [AltGr]), and depending on the font (I'm playing with font changes to find the proper one) it is not very visible). -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 15.2 x86_64 at Telcontar)
On 2021/04/15 08:10, Marco Calistri wrote
Il 14/04/21 20:33, L A Walsh ha scritto:
"layout.css.devPixelsPerPx", (I see it as a string value), then changing that value from the default of -1 (or 1) to values like 1.1 or 1.2: should give about a 10 or 20% size increase across your entire UI I tried this "about.config" option as first attempt but for me it has no effect: default was -1.0 I changed to 1.0 and no effects on the UI.
-1 means to use the OS default. If your OS uses 96DPI (windows default, unsized), then '1' or '1.0' should look about the same. You'd have to use 1.1 (110%) or 1.2 (120%) to get a magnification effect > 1.0 (100%). The magnification is applied to all elements, not just text, so it's really for enlarging the entire UI when you have a higher DPI display.
I resolved my chars size issue just by disabling the option (I'm trying to translate from Italian to English):
*/Use fixed width characters for simple text messages/**/ /**/ /*Now I have not to zoom anymore to read such small simple text messages in Thunderbird.
--- Excellent, glad you found a solution. There is often more than one.
Il 15/04/21 20:03, L A Walsh ha scritto:
On 2021/04/15 08:10, Marco Calistri wrote
Il 14/04/21 20:33, L A Walsh ha scritto:
"layout.css.devPixelsPerPx", (I see it as a string value), then changing that value from the default of -1 (or 1) to values like 1.1 or 1.2: should give about a 10 or 20% size increase across your entire UI I tried this "about.config" option as first attempt but for me it has no effect: default was -1.0 I changed to 1.0 and no effects on the UI.
-1 means to use the OS default. If your OS uses 96DPI (windows default, unsized), then '1' or '1.0' should look about the same. You'd have to use 1.1 (110%) or 1.2 (120%) to get a magnification effect > 1.0 (100%).
The magnification is applied to all elements, not just text, so it's really for enlarging the entire UI when you have a higher DPI display.
I resolved my chars size issue just by disabling the option (I'm trying to translate from Italian to English):
*/Use fixed width characters for simple text messages/**/ /**/ /*Now I have not to zoom anymore to read such small simple text messages in Thunderbird.
--- Excellent, glad you found a solution. There is often more than one.
Linda, I adjust the UI size with my DE General Settings, I think it being preferable. BTW thanks for your suggestion! Best regards, -- Marco Calistri Build: openSUSE Tumbleweed 20210408 Kernel:5.11.11-1-default Desktop: XFCE (4.16.0)
Marco, et al -- ...and then Marco Calistri said... % % I tried this "about.config" option as first attempt but for me it % has no effect: default was -1.0 I changed to 1.0 and no effects on % the UI. [snip] Just in case that wasn't a typo and you never did get to play with configuration ... It isn't a period (.) but a colon (:) in the about:config URL/command to get into the inner workings. Have a great day! :-D -- David T-G See http://justpickone.org/davidtg/email/ See http://justpickone.org/davidtg/tofu.txt
Am 14.04.21 um 21:32 schrieb Marco Calistri:
Hello,
Somebody could tell me if I have any chance to adjust Inbox messages characters size whose source contains:
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
try: (free translated from german to english, maybe a little different) configuration view formatting advanced in the list of chars, scroll down to the bottom. there should be something like "other charsets" set this to a bigger size (and of course the standart charset "latin" simoN -- www.becherer.de
On 15/04/2021 08.00, Simon Becherer wrote:
Am 14.04.21 um 21:32 schrieb Marco Calistri:
Hello,
Somebody could tell me if I have any chance to adjust Inbox messages characters size whose source contains:
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
try: (free translated from german to english, maybe a little different) configuration view formatting advanced in the list of chars, scroll down to the bottom. there should be something like "other charsets" set this to a bigger size (and of course the standart charset "latin"
English version: Edit / Preferences /General / Fonts & colours / Advanced. Problem: there are 28 languages to set up. "other Writing Systems" -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 15.2 x86_64 at Telcontar)
Il 15/04/21 03:00, Simon Becherer ha scritto:
Hello,
Somebody could tell me if I have any chance to adjust Inbox messages characters size whose source contains:
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
Am 14.04.21 um 21:32 schrieb Marco Calistri: try: (free translated from german to english, maybe a little different) configuration view formatting advanced in the list of chars, scroll down to the bottom. there should be something like "other charsets" set this to a bigger size (and of course the standart charset "latin"
simoN
Will verify this as soon I get some time. Thanks! -- Marco Calistri Build: openSUSE Tumbleweed 20210408 Kernel:5.11.11-1-default Desktop: XFCE (4.16.0)
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