Hello, On Sat, 04 Jul 2020, Carlos E. R. wrote:

There is a search engine or applet thing in Firefox. You type the name of the package and hit enter.

Aside from that, you can create a so called bookmarklet. Just add this location "URI" as a bookmark: ==== one line as the location string ==== javascript:q=prompt('Enter%20text%20to%20search%20software.opensuse.org','');if(q){q=q.replace(/_/g,%22%20%22);location.href='https://software.opensuse.org/search?utf8=%E2%9C%93&baseproject=ALL&q='+encodeURIComponent(q);}else{location.href='https://software.opensuse.org/search';} ==== HTH, -dnh -- overflow error in /dev/null -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-support+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-support+owner@opensuse.org

Carlos E. R. composed on 2020-07-04 21:55 (UTC+0100):

David Haller wrote:

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Aside from that, you can create a so called bookmarklet.

Sorry, what's that? I don't think I heard the term before. :-?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bookmarklet was originally created in 2002. -- Evolution as taught in public schools is religion, not science. Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-support+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-support+owner@opensuse.org

* David Haller [07-04-20 15:25]:

Hello,

On Sat, 04 Jul 2020, Carlos E. R. wrote:

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There is a search engine or applet thing in Firefox. You type the name of the package and hit enter.

Aside from that, you can create a so called bookmarklet.

Just add this location "URI" as a bookmark:

==== one line as the location string ==== javascript:q=prompt('Enter%20text%20to%20search%20software.opensuse.org','');if(q){q=q.replace(/_/g,%22%20%22);location.href='https://software.opensuse.org/search?utf8=%E2%9C%93&baseproject=ALL&q='+encodeURIComponent(q);}else{location.href='https://software.opensuse.org/search';} ====

or simply open a text window and: opi <application> and you will find all available to openSUSE, not just those in the locally configured repos. -- (paka)Patrick Shanahan Plainfield, Indiana, USA @ptilopteri http://en.opensuse.org openSUSE Community Member facebook/ptilopteri Photos: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/piwigo paka @ IRCnet freenode -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-support+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-support+owner@opensuse.org

Le 04/07/2020 à 21:24, David Haller a écrit :

Hello,

On Sat, 04 Jul 2020, Carlos E. R. wrote:

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There is a search engine or applet thing in Firefox. You type the name of the package and hit enter.

Aside from that, you can create a so called bookmarklet.

Just add this location "URI" as a bookmark:

==== one line as the location string ==== javascript:q=prompt('Enter%20text%20to%20search%20software.opensuse.org','');if(q){q=q.replace(/_/g,%22%20%22);location.href='https://software.opensuse.org/search?utf8=%E2%9C%93&baseproject=ALL&q='+encodeURIComponent(q);}else{location.href='https://software.opensuse.org/search';} ====

HTH, -dnh

pretty nice, thanks jdd -- http://dodin.org -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-support+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-support+owner@opensuse.org

On 04/07/2020 21.58, Doug McGarrett wrote:

On 7/4/20 11:23 AM, Atri Bhattacharya wrote:

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Hi Doug

On Sat, 2020-07-04 at 02:35 -0400, Doug McGarrett wrote:

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I am finding that certain very common apps appear to be missing from the latest OpenSUSE Tumbleweed--for instance, Artha. That's just one.

We dropped artha from the distro because it has been unmaintained by upstream for many years and susceptible to security issues (e.g. https://bugzilla.suse.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1143860). Please see if you can find some other dictionary app that doesn't hurt your system.

Cheers, I looked and found nothing I want: an esoteric spell checker.

What's that? Esoteric?

Artha can interpret misspellings and give you the correct spelling of many words that the system never even heard of.  I really don't want a dictionary with pages of definitions. If I didn't know what the word meant, I wouldn't have used it!  If anyone out there can suggest a substitute, I would be obliged.

There is a spell checker or two in Linux: aspell and ispell. And they use spell dictionaries. They are used by applications such as Thunderbird or LibreOffice. In fact, I believe it is the LO project who maintains one of the two. -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 15.1 x86_64 at Telcontar)

On 7/4/20 3:58 PM, Doug McGarrett wrote:

On 7/4/20 11:23 AM, Atri Bhattacharya wrote:

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Hi Doug

On Sat, 2020-07-04 at 02:35 -0400, Doug McGarrett wrote:

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I am finding that certain very common apps appear to be missing from the latest OpenSUSE Tumbleweed--for instance, Artha. That's just one.

We dropped artha from the distro because it has been unmaintained by upstream for many years and susceptible to security issues (e.g. https://bugzilla.suse.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1143860). Please see if you can find some other dictionary app that doesn't hurt your system.

Cheers, I looked and found nothing I want: an esoteric spell checker. Artha can interpret misspellings and give you the correct spelling of many words that the system never even heard of.  I really don't want a dictionary with pages of definitions. If I didn't know what the word meant, I wouldn't have used it!  If anyone out there can suggest a substitute, I would be obliged. --doug

Even tho it was dropped after 15.1, the same most recent vsn 1.03 was repackaged for the Education repo for both 15.2 and TW. If you must have a package that is no longer maintained - the last post on artha's home site is 8 years ago - then you'll need to build it from source.  That's not difficult to do at all: 1.  install any dependencies (listed on the page) 2.  download tarball 3.  extract 4.  configure 5.  make 6.  make install -- DennisG -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-support+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-support+owner@opensuse.org

* Doug McGarrett [07-04-20 17:45]: [...]

I mentioned in a reply to Patrick (a few notes further on in the list) that an app that is mentioned in the system, aspell, might fulfill the requirement, if I could figure out how to install and use it.

No, you replied private mail. Noone else saw your reply.

OTOH, I have used Artha for years without any sign of a problem, and I would certainly be happy to go back to it.

w/o regard to it's possible security problems!

How do I get to the Education repo?

you need to do a little looking for answers yourself so you maybe retain some knowledge as you have been advised even today about: zypper addrepo

This system of alternate (or extra?) repos has baffled me for the entire year I have been a Suser.

But you have been an openSUSE user for much longer than a year, many years. I have mail in this list from "Date: Tue, 08 Jun 2004 20:06:12 -0400"

Once I know how to get to these extra repos,  what is the means of finding what may be available within them? (Frinstance, I'm told that Master PDF Editor is hiding in one of them, and I'd like to get it and use it. It has features that Okular does not.)

and you have been advised by several individuals on this particular thread how to accomplish this.

(I realize that this may be a tall order; I am willing to go and read the fine manual, if there is one.)

no, you really are not. -- (paka)Patrick Shanahan Plainfield, Indiana, USA @ptilopteri http://en.opensuse.org openSUSE Community Member facebook/ptilopteri Photos: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/piwigo paka @ IRCnet freenode -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-support+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-support+owner@opensuse.org

* Doug McGarrett [07-04-20 23:14]: [...]

I would say that the latest version of the s/w is more difficult to maneuver around than the last. If the old computer hadn't died, I'd still be using the (updated) edition of 2019. I managed to get both printers and the scanner working in the 2019 version; not yet working in the 2020 edition. (The packaged lists of printers for both HP and Epson are even older than I can remember! And HP expects me to have Windows, MAC, or UNIX--Linux is not even on the horizon in their present "guidance.")

you would probably recognize a similarity of unix and linux. And I sincerely doubt HP cares what operating system you prefer/utilize. They are excellent in providing drivers for their printers on linux, I would hazzard to say they are the best manufacturer in providing linux drivers. your haphazard/shotgun approach to maintaining your system and following direction(s) people take the time to prvide you, appears your greatest problem. -- (paka)Patrick Shanahan Plainfield, Indiana, USA @ptilopteri http://en.opensuse.org openSUSE Community Member facebook/ptilopteri Photos: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/piwigo paka @ IRCnet freenode -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-support+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-support+owner@opensuse.org

On 7/4/20 11:12 PM, Doug McGarrett wrote:

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long snip

(The packaged lists of printers for both HP and Epson are even older than I can remember! And HP expects me to have Windows, MAC, or UNIX--Linux is not even on the horizon in their present "guidance.")

--doug

Guidance???  Actually, most HP spec sheets now refer you to the following, also top-of-list with a simple google search on "HP printers linux": https://support.hp.com/us-en/document/bpu00658 Which explains HP's linux printer program suite, HPLIP.  Follow the link there to: https://developers.hp.com/hp-linux-imaging-and-printing which links you to the "all supported printers" page.  Find yours and note the HPLIP version required for your printer.  TW has the latest (3.20.6) but only the newest printers need that update, most do fine with 3.19.12 that is in 15.2.  IIRC (but don't hold me to this), if you want to use the entire toolkit it's better to install the printer using HPLIP (look for HP Device Manager on your KDE menu); but if only the driver alone is wanted, better to install via YaST. Doug, as an aside (and no offense meant), IMO you would happier with Leap than TW:  "Tumbleweed appeals to Power Users, Software Developers, and openSUSE Contributors"; it is "bleeding edge.". Leap is the "regular release" that is "most stabilized".  While I use Leap now, for a long time I used TW/Factory.  I don't use TW now only because I got lazy and prefer other tinkering (which is often required with TW, it being a rolling release).  For that matter, openSUSE in general is more geared to power users or groups with sysadmin support; there are Debian derivatives better suited for regular users, especially those coming from Windows world (e.g., Mint, Ubuntu, MX, etc.).  Just my $.02 -- DennisG MSI B450-A Pro, Ryzen 5 2400, 16GB, Leap 15.1, KDE 5.55/5.12.8, stock kernel -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-support+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-support+owner@opensuse.org

On Mon, 6 Jul 2020 00:14:03 +0200 "Carlos E. R." wrote:

I agree, but he said he wanted a rolling distro to avoid reinstalls.

There is another way to avoid reinstalls of course. Long-term support releases. I'm getting increasingly tempted, but I'd have to switch distros to get such a fine beast, and that in itself is disruption. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-support+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-support+owner@opensuse.org

On 7/5/20 6:14 PM, Carlos E. R. wrote:

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snip

I agree, but he said he wanted a rolling distro to avoid reinstalls.

Not meaning to be a smart-ass, but what a user wants and what a user can do/is feasible, is often not the same.  IMO the related threads demonstrate this point.  The irony is that for most regular users, an upgrade (why reinstall???) every 18 months or so is much less challenging (and work) than a rolling release intended for power users.  Folks on this list (and certainly, yourself) have been more than generous with your time and expertise; me thinks though that /tutoring/ is a bridge too far. -- DennisG MSI B450-A Pro, Ryzen 5 2400, 16GB, Leap 15.1, KDE 5.55/5.12.8, stock kernel -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-support+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-support+owner@opensuse.org

On Sun, 2020-07-05 at 17:33 -0400, DennisG wrote:

Doug, as an aside (and no offense meant), IMO you would happier with Leap than TW: "Tumbleweed appeals to Power Users, Software Developers, and openSUSE Contributors"; it is "bleeding edge.".

Sorry Dennis, but with all due respect, this is incorrect information. On the openSUSE wiki, the TW portal page [1] says the following in its __second__ paragraph to answer the question, "Who should try Tumbleweed?": "Also, Tumbleweed should appeal most to Power Users, Software Developers (who require the latest software stacks and IDEs) and openSUSE Contributors (who need a reliable platform that is as close to openSUSE Factory as possible while remaining usable)." This means that if you are a power user, developer, or an oS contributor, TW should appeal to you the most (i.e. more than Leap) -- quite different from the impression your (mis)quoted text conveys. TW is definitely meant to be -- and recommended to be -- used by regular users who need or want the most recent *stable* (i.e. not bleeding edge) versions of packages. Indeed, on the same wiki page, the first paragraph actually says, "Any user who wishes to have newer packages than are available in the openSUSE Leap repositories." Specific to Doug's case, he would face the exact same problems if he were to change to Leap 15.2 today, namely: no artha; even older versions of gutenprint drivers than on TW; installing non-free (and probably illegally distributed) master-pdf-editor from some random OBS repository; etc. Cheers, [1] https://en.opensuse.org/Portal:Tumbleweed -- Atri Bhattacharya Mon 6 Jul 00:38:43 CEST 2020 Sent from openSUSE Tumbleweed on my laptop. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-support+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-support+owner@opensuse.org

On Mon, 06 Jul 2020 01:15:13 +0200 Atri Bhattacharya wrote:

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On Sun, 2020-07-05 at 17:33 -0400, DennisG wrote:

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Doug, as an aside (and no offense meant), IMO you would happier with Leap than TW: "Tumbleweed appeals to Power Users, Software Developers, and openSUSE Contributors"; it is "bleeding edge.". Sorry Dennis, but with all due respect, this is incorrect information. On the openSUSE wiki, the TW portal page [1] says the following in its __second__ paragraph to answer the question, "Who should try Tumbleweed?": "Also, Tumbleweed should appeal most to Power Users, Software Developers (who require the latest software stacks and IDEs) and openSUSE Contributors (who need a reliable platform that is as close to openSUSE Factory as possible while remaining usable)."

This means that if you are a power user, developer, or an oS contributor, TW should appeal to you the most (i.e. more than Leap) -- quite different from the impression your (mis)quoted text conveys. There seems to be some language problem here, because you and Dennis appear to me to be saying the same thing.

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TW is definitely meant to be -- and recommended to be -- used by regular users who need or want the most recent *stable* (i.e. not bleeding edge) versions of packages. Indeed, on the same wiki page, the first paragraph actually says, "Any user who wishes to have newer packages than are available in the openSUSE Leap repositories."

Specific to Doug's case, he would face the exact same problems if he were to change to Leap 15.2 today, namely: no artha; even older versions of gutenprint drivers than on TW; installing non-free (and probably illegally distributed) master-pdf-editor from some random OBS repository; etc. Doug's problems are different, IMHO. Not a lot to do with the difference between TW and Leap.

Doug wanted to avoid the problems associated with upgrades from one Leap release to the next. Moving to TW would not be my choice to resolve that problem (if indeed it is capable of resolution).

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Cheers,

[1] https://en.opensuse.org/Portal:Tumbleweed I think I should probably chime in here, since I am the object of the comments. First, I am grateful for those who have tried (and usually eventually) succeeded in dragging me into this future. I have never pretended that Linux is an easy route, altho in some respects it is a lot easier than Windows--usually

On 7/5/20 7:50 PM, Dave Howorth wrote: there is some way to get where you want to go, here, whereas in Windows there are certain things that are just not possible at all.  (As a frinstance, up until a couple of months ago, it was not possible to turn off hibernation in the latest edition of Win10. They finally fixed it so you can, now.) And Microsoft keeps throwing garbage in your face, along the way! Like, they would not allow me to create a recovery file on either of two flash-drives that I formatted to FAT32 on a Linux machine. Be that as it may, all of you here, unless you took computer courses in college, have gone thru the same learning curves as I am facing here. And I must say, this latest version of TW seems to be much more opaque than the version from last year. A lot of my previous Linux experience seemed to be applicable, whereas now things have changed in ways unexpected. Yes , I take notes, or at least I did when I had a printer working!  As of tonite, I am copying off useful information to my other machine, so as to print it out. (Printing and scanning will be my next hurdle here!) (Yes, I had some trouble with the 2019 version--it turned out that I had to reset the fixed ip to one of the printers. Never found out why, but it worked. Figured that out myself, btw.) So I hope that I am not proving to be an intractable burden on the inhabitants of this little corner of the computer world. I do appreciate the assistance, and perhaps I will be on the giving end also, one of these days. (I have contributed to these lists in areas that I am familiar with, like radio frequency equipment and design, rf components, propagation, antenna measurements, and so on.  And even computing: I have pointed out to the troglodytes on Microsoft that there is a COMPOSE program that they can use to get things like ₤, ¢, ß, ° ⅓, ö, ç, and so on. ) --doug -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-support+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-support+owner@opensuse.org

On 7/6/20 7:17 AM, Atri Bhattacharya wrote:

Right, let's draw a line under this thread now. This is a support channel, it is useful to have short focused back-and-forths answering specific support questions. This thread has more than run its course by now.

Doug, if you have any other specific issues please feel free to raise each as a single message. General discussion about oS and TW vs Leap goes in the general opensuse list (not here).

Dennis, if I offended you with my previous message, apologies. TW vs Leap is a discussion I am happy to have with anyone, but let's keep that out of the support ML.

Thanks and best wishes.

remaining usable)."

This means that if you are a power user, developer, or an oS contributor, TW should appeal to you the most (i.e. more than Leap) -- quite different from the impression your (mis)quoted text conveys.

No offense taken at all.  Thx for the thought. Agreed.  It was certainly not my intent or desire to set off a tussle.  But, no harm, no foul.  :) Best, -- DennisG MSI B450-A Pro, Ryzen 5 2400, 16GB, Leap 15.1, KDE 5.55/5.12.8, stock kernel

On 7/4/20 11:12 PM, Doug McGarrett wrote:

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long snip

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(The packaged lists of printers for both HP and Epson are even older than I can remember! And HP expects me to have Windows, MAC, or UNIX--Linux is not even on the horizon in their present "guidance.")

--doug

Guidance???  Actually, most HP spec sheets now refer you to the following, also top-of-list with a simple google search on "HP printers linux":

https://support.hp.com/us-en/document/bpu00658

Which explains HP's linux printer program suite, HPLIP.  Follow the link there to:

https://developers.hp.com/hp-linux-imaging-and-printing

which links you to the "all supported printers" page.  Find yours and note the HPLIP version required for your printer.  TW has the latest (3.20.6) but only the newest printers need that update, most do fine with 3.19.12 that is in 15.2.  IIRC (but don't hold me to this), if you want to use the entire toolkit it's better to install the printer using HPLIP (look for HP Device Manager on your KDE menu); but if only the driver alone is wanted, better to install via YaST.

Doug, as an aside (and no offense meant), IMO you would happier with Leap than TW:  "Tumbleweed appeals to Power Users, Software Developers, and openSUSE Contributors"; it is "bleeding edge.". Leap is the "regular release" that is "most stabilized".  While I use Leap now, for a long time I used TW/Factory.  I don't use TW now only because I got lazy and prefer other tinkering (which is often required with TW, it being a rolling release).  For that matter, openSUSE in general is more geared to power users or groups with sysadmin support; there are Debian derivatives better suited for regular users, especially those coming from Windows world (e.g., Mint, Ubuntu, MX, etc.).  Just my $.02

-- DennisG MSI B450-A Pro, Ryzen 5 2400, 16GB, Leap 15.1, KDE 5.55/5.12.8, stock kernel Thanx for the heads up on HP and printers. I'll follow that path and see what happens. I've heard the Leap commercial too many times. I chose Tumbleweed BECAUSE it is a rolling release. That means that if I ever get it working, I won't have to install a new Linux next year or some other time down the line, and start over. (And THIS start over has been a brute, compared to the start a year ago!) (If you've been reading the mail for a while, You know

On 7/5/20 5:33 PM, DennisG wrote: that my previous PC bit the dust big-time a couple of months ago.) --doug -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-support+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-support+owner@opensuse.org

Andrei Borzenkov composed on 2020-07-06 08:20 (UTC+0300):

Doug McGarrett composed:

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I chose Tumbleweed BECAUSE it is a rolling release. That means that if I ever get it working, I won't have to install a new Linux next year or some other time down the line, and start over.

If you use TW it means you will be installing new Linux every time you update. Not once in two years, but three times a week.

That depends on your interpretation of "install". A zypper dup while providing an equivalent result to a fresh installation, is hardly the bother that a fresh installation or upgrade process using a DVD, NET boot or USB stick installation entails. Linux is the kernel, not the distro. Every TW release does not include a newer kernel than the last. -- Evolution as taught in public schools is religion, not science. Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-support+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-support+owner@opensuse.org

Le 06/07/2020 à 08:16, Doug McGarrett a écrit :

On 7/6/20 1:20 AM, Andrei Borzenkov wrote:

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06.07.2020 07:40, Doug McGarrett пишет:

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I chose Tumbleweed BECAUSE it is a rolling release. That means that if I ever get it working, I won't have to install a new Linux next year or some other time down the line, and start over. If you use TW it means you will be installing new Linux every time you update. Not once in two years, but three times a week.

But it will work. Remember I had this system functioning for a year, with uncounted upgrades, but they didn't modify the function in any way that I noticed. I used to run the upgrades when the number got above 1000. --doug

the problem is that it may stop working at any moment, not necessarily when you have time to fix the problem. In distro update you have 6 month to wait jdd -- http://dodin.org -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-support+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-support+owner@opensuse.org

* Carlos E. R. [07-06-20 05:02]:

On 06/07/2020 06.40, Doug McGarrett wrote:

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Thanx for the heads up on HP and printers. I'll follow that path and see what happens. I've heard the Leap commercial too many times. I chose Tumbleweed BECAUSE it is a rolling release. That means that if I ever get it working, I won't have to install a new Linux next year or some other time down the line, and start over. (And THIS start over has been a brute, compared to the start a year ago!) (If you've been reading the mail for a while, You know that my previous PC bit the dust big-time a couple of months ago.)

In TW you get updates every week. Usually small, but tons of them, instead of a relatively big controlled change once a year. Every change that hits Leap eventually, hits TW first. And hits people often unawares, because it is here that the experiments are done and solved.

You keep referring to Tw as expermental. Tw is not experimental, that is Factory. Everything in Tw has been tested in Factory and solved there, first.

And for the record, I have never /installed again/ openSUSE in my main machine since around year 2000, using what is now called Leap.

not so, you have "installed again" whenever you did a "zypper dup". It even advises such: "You are about to do a distribution upgrade with all enabled repositories." granted, it is not a "bare metal" install. Please stop the confusion you generate about Tumbleweed. It is a solid and stable operating system. -- (paka)Patrick Shanahan Plainfield, Indiana, USA @ptilopteri http://en.opensuse.org openSUSE Community Member facebook/ptilopteri Photos: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/piwigo paka @ IRCnet freenode -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-support+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-support+owner@opensuse.org

On 7/4/20 5:42 PM, Doug McGarrett wrote:

On 7/4/20 4:52 PM, DennisG wrote:

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On 7/4/20 3:58 PM, Doug McGarrett wrote:

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Even tho it was dropped after 15.1, the same most recent vsn 1.03 was repackaged for the Education repo for both 15.2 and TW.

If you must have a package that is no longer maintained - the last post on artha's home site is 8 years ago - then you'll need to build it from source.  That's not difficult to do at all: 1.  install any dependencies (listed on the page) 2.  download tarball 3.  extract 4.  configure 5.  make 6.  make install

-- DennisG

I mentioned in a reply to Patrick (a few notes further on in the list) that an app that is mentioned in the system, aspell, might fulfill the requirement, if I could figure out how to install and use it. OTOH, I have used Artha for years without any sign of a problem, and I would certainly be happy to go back to it. How do I get to the Education repo? This system of alternate (or extra?) repos has baffled me for the entire year I have been a Suser. Once I know how to get to these extra repos,  what is the means of finding what may be available within them? (Frinstance, I'm told that Master PDF Editor is hiding in one of them, and I'd like to get it and use it. It has features that Okular does not.) (I realize that this may be a tall order; I am willing to go and read the fine manual, if there is one.) --doug

Be sure to reply to the list, not an individual.  I don't think we saw that msg to Patrick. Anyway, all you need to do is load software.opensuse.org and search for "artha."  That brings up a list of the repo options.  I did this a few hours ago, TW was one of the choices; strangely not there now (maybe I'm getting dementia).  Anyway, very likely the 15.2 package will work, though; click on that and then Experimental.  You can use the 1-click install shown; that will add the repo and do the install for you.  Or you can choose Expert Download, which gives commands to manually add the repo and install via zypper, or to directly download the rpm which you would subsequently install with zypper or YaST (right-clicking on the rpm file downloaded in Dolphin will present a YaST install option).  Since you are pulling from the 15.2 repo, I would go the downloaded rpm route which avoids have to add a repo you don't want thereafter.  So there are several ways to do this - you should familiarize yourself with all of this, it is basic to installing software not in the standard repo. IMO, for other obscure packages, as I wrote prev you really want to learn how to compile because with pkgs like that, it may be the only option.  It may seem intimidating at first, but it is not really difficult, other than sometimes getting dependencies installed (which the make command will tell you that are missing, if the source page didn't provide). -- DennisG -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-support+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-support+owner@opensuse.org

On 2020-07-05 1:03 a.m., Doug McGarrett wrote:

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I'm snowed. I carefully copied the instruction and tried to run it, and this is the result:

DESKTOP-4FH9U1P:/home/doug # zypper addrepo https://download.opensuse.org/repositories/openSUSE:Leap:15.1/standard/openS... File '/repositories/openSUSE:Leap:15.1/standard/openSUSE:Leap:15.1.repo' not found on medium 'https://download.opensuse.org/' Abort, retry, ignore? [a/r/i/...? shows all options] (a):

What version of Leap are you installing this on? If 15.1, artha 1.0.3 is in the OSS repo which you should already have configured. Or, there is a more recent version here: https://download.opensuse.org/repositories/Education/openSUSE_Leap_15.1/ If 15.2, add this repository: https://download.opensuse.org/repositories/Education/openSUSE_Leap_15.2/ Note that the URI in those instructions you read is very wrong; /repositories/openSUSE:Leap:15.1 no longer exists on the download server, and I am not even sure that it ever did exist. /repositories/openSUSE: does exist, but you won't find artha in any of its subdirectories. In future, if you wish to find an openSUSE=specific package, may I suggest you simply go to https://software.opensuse.org/ and enter the package name in the search box. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-support+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-support+owner@opensuse.org

On 2020-07-05 4:51 a.m., Carlos E. R. wrote:

On 05/07/2020 10.17, Darryl Gregorash wrote:

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I'm snowed. I carefully copied the instruction and tried to run it, and this is the result:

DESKTOP-4FH9U1P:/home/doug # zypper addrepo https://download.opensuse.org/repositories/openSUSE:Leap:15.1/standard/openS...

File '/repositories/openSUSE:Leap:15.1/standard/openSUSE:Leap:15.1.repo' not found on medium 'https://download.opensuse.org/' Abort, retry, ignore? [a/r/i/...? shows all options] (a):

What version of Leap are you installing this on?

He is on OS-TW--2020.0702

I missed that..... in which case, if it were my system, I'd just give the 15.2 package a try. If it doesn't work, nothing lost. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-support+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-support+owner@opensuse.org

Hi Carlos, On Sun, 2020-07-05 at 13:47 +0200, Carlos E. R. wrote:

No need, it is in the education repo for TW.

It isn't as of today. It had not built on openSUSE TW for months and the last published binary would install but crash on the system immediately (did I also mention a security hole? ;-) ). So, I cleaned up these stale packages from the repository yesterday.

That's the appropriate package for him. Activating a repo from another release is a dangerous thing to do as you can install other packages by accident, or deity forbids, libraries.

I second this. For the sake of your system, never use a Leap repo on TW and vice versa! Cheers, -- Atri Bhattacharya Sun 5 Jul 14:50:23 CEST 2020 Sent from openSUSE Tumbleweed on my laptop. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-support+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-support+owner@opensuse.org

On 7/5/20 8:52 AM, Atri Bhattacharya wrote:

Hi Carlos,

On Sun, 2020-07-05 at 13:47 +0200, Carlos E. R. wrote:

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That's the appropriate package for him. Activating a repo from another release is a dangerous thing to do as you can install other packages by accident, or deity forbids, libraries.

I second this. For the sake of your system, never use a Leap repo on TW and vice versa!

Cheers,

Which is why I wrote: "Since you are pulling from the 15.2 repo, I would go the downloaded rpm route which /avoids having to add a repo you don't want thereafter/." Mea culpa, clearly I should have issued a stronger more explicit warning.  And more clearly, compiling from source is out of the question for the OP; my bad for even having mentioned that. At least I don't have dementia after all.  I could have sworn that there was a TW package, turns out there was.  Atri just trying to mess with my old brain.  :) -- DennisG -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-support+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-support+owner@opensuse.org

On 7/5/20 11:56 AM, Atri Bhattacharya wrote:

On Sun, 2020-07-05 at 11:11 -0400, DennisG wrote:

On 7/5/20 8:52 AM, Atri Bhattacharya wrote:

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snip Which is why I wrote:

"Since you are pulling from the 15.2 repo, I would go the downloaded rpm route which /avoids having to add a repo you don't want thereafter/." This isn't recommended either, since a package built against Leap 15.2 would look for the symbols provided by lib* packages from 15.2 in the installed system. Often, this would lead to dependency problems if the updated libfoo pkg, say in an installed TW or TW repository, does not provide the exact same symbol. It could also lead to the application crashing outright, often with the error "could not find symbol complicatedlongnamefoo".

Right.  I think my mistake has been to assume that such inexperienced users would use the forums rather than this list. I've on occasion needed to borrow an rpm (or compile) from a different version repo (say, in the case where that's the only alternative for a new printer driver), but like folks here I can easily deal with a problem should it arise.  Alas, as the "ass" cliche teaches once again, assumptions are often unwise.  Lesson re-learned.

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At least I don't have dementia after all. I could have sworn that there was a TW package, turns out there was. Atri just trying to mess with my old brain. :) Ha ha, didn't mean to. I am sorry if I had you questioning reality there for a while ;-)

No problem.  You will be hearing from my lawyer.  :) -- DennisG MSI B450-A Pro, Ryzen 5 2400, 16GB, Leap 15.1, KDE 5.55/5.12.8, stock kernel -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-support+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-support+owner@opensuse.org

On 05/07/2020 14.55, Darryl Gregorash wrote:

On 2020-07-05 5:47 a.m., Carlos E. R. wrote:

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On 05/07/2020 13.36, Darryl Gregorash wrote:

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in which case, if it were my system, I'd just give the 15.2 package a try. If it doesn't work, nothing lost.

No need, it is in the education repo for TW. That's the appropriate package for him. Activating a repo from another release is a dangerous thing to do as you can install other packages by accident, or deity forbids, libraries.

What URI is that? I'm looking at education/tumbleweed right now, and artha is not there.

See Atri reply of minutes ago. But I posted the URL yesterday. -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 15.1 x86_64 at Telcontar)

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Even tho it was dropped after 15.1, the same most recent vsn 1.03 was repackaged for the Education repo for both 15.2 and TW.

If you must have a package that is no longer maintained - the last post on artha's home site is 8 years ago - then you'll need to build it from source.  That's not difficult to do at all: 1.  install any dependencies (listed on the page) There are about a dozen, I think. The rest I could do. 2.  download tarball 3.  extract 4.  configure 5.  make 6.  make install

I'm snowed. I carefully copied the instruction and tried to run it, and this is the result:

DESKTOP-4FH9U1P:/home/doug # zypper addrepo https://download.opensuse.org/repositories/openSUSE:Leap:15.1/standard/openS... File '/repositories/openSUSE:Leap:15.1/standard/openSUSE:Leap:15.1.repo' not found on medium 'https://download.opensuse.org/' Abort, retry, ignore? [a/r/i/...? shows all options] (a):

Don't do this.

Now, FAST: remove that repo you added. Yast, manage repositories tool. Opened up yast, but did not find a command to remove whatever repo might have been added. Anyway, since

On 7/5/20 6:52 AM, Carlos E. R. wrote: the choice was to abort, it would seem that no damage was done. --doug -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-support+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-support+owner@opensuse.org

Doug, To cut through everything else, first let me reiterate: Artha has been left **unmaintained by upstream for almost 8 years** now. As a result, a) it has at least one open security hole (already previously mentioned) and b) no longer even builds for Tumbleweed. Therefore, it is **unavailable for TW** from any openSUSE repository (Education or otherwise) unless someone fixes these issues. Now, some other points... On Sun, 2020-07-05 at 03:03 -0400, Doug McGarrett wrote:

On 7/4/20 9:33 PM, DennisG wrote:

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On 7/4/20 5:42 PM, Doug McGarrett wrote:

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On 7/4/20 4:52 PM, DennisG wrote:

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Even tho it was dropped after 15.1, the same most recent vsn 1.03 was repackaged for the Education repo for both 15.2 and TW.

If you must have a package that is no longer maintained - the last post on artha's home site is 8 years ago - then you'll need to build it from source. That's not difficult to do at all: 1. install any dependencies (listed on the page) There are about a dozen, I think. The rest I could do. 2. download tarball 3. extract 4. configure 5. make 6. make install

This will not work against system libraries on TW as artha, being **old and unmaintained**, does not compile with more recent libraries any more.

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I'm snowed. I carefully copied the instruction and tried to run it, and this is the result:

DESKTOP-4FH9U1P:/home/doug # zypper addrepo https://download.opensuse.org/repositories/openSUSE:Leap:15.1/standard/openS... File '/repositories/openSUSE:Leap:15.1/standard/openSUSE:Leap:15.1.repo' not found on medium 'https://download.opensuse.org/' Abort, retry, ignore? [a/r/i/...? shows all options] (a):

You are using Tumbleweed, a different distribution from Leap. Do not mix Tumbleweed and Leap 15.X repositories. I would recommend you to select "openSUSE Tumbleweed" in the distribution selection box on < https://software.opensuse.org/> (set to "All Distributions" by default) before searching. See, for example: https://paste.opensuse.org/68766330.

I went to firefox and got this mish-mosh: artha from openSUSE:Leap:15.1 project Select Your Operating System

Grab binary packages directly

firefox wants me to sign in! I don't think I ever had a username and password for Firefox, but if I did it was a long time ago.

My guess is, this is likely asking for a password for an openSUSE Build Service account, if you have one --- not a Firefox password. You will not need any password unless you try to get unpublished packages from the build service.

I tried to find another source in FF for artha, but it comes with a long list of libs.

Again, there aren't any sources for artha for openSUSE TW (from the build service and repositories at least). Consider this software expired. Cheers, P.S.: Thanks in advance for not CC-ing me when you reply; simply reply to the list, I read the messages there in any case. -- Atri Bhattacharya Sun 5 Jul 12:56:43 CEST 2020 Sent from openSUSE Tumbleweed on my laptop. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-support+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-support+owner@opensuse.org

On Sun, 2020-07-05 at 14:57 +0200, Carlos E. R. wrote:

On 05/07/2020 14.29, Atri Bhattacharya wrote:

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To cut through everything else, first let me reiterate: Artha has been left **unmaintained by upstream for almost 8 years** now. As a result, a) it has at least one open security hole (already previously mentioned) and b) no longer even builds for Tumbleweed. Therefore, it is **unavailable for TW** from any openSUSE repository (Education or otherwise) unless someone fixes these issues.

Yesterday the search indicated that the Education repo has artha for TW. Today it doesn't.

Yes, sorry, you were not wrong when you said that it had artha for TW yesterday or earlier today. I have clarified this elsewhere in the thread. Cheers, -- Atri Bhattacharya Sun 5 Jul 14:59:52 CEST 2020 Sent from openSUSE Tumbleweed on my laptop. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-support+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-support+owner@opensuse.org

On 04/07/2020 23.42, Doug McGarrett wrote:

I mentioned in a reply to Patrick (a few notes further on in the list) that an app that is mentioned in the system, aspell, might fulfill the requirement, if I could figure out how to install and use it. OTOH, I have used Artha for years without any sign of a problem, and I would certainly be happy to go back to it. How do I get to the Education repo? This system of alternate (or extra?) repos has baffled me for the entire year I have been a Suser.

I explained that not a day ago, so I'm not going to repeat it. -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 15.1 x86_64 at Telcontar)

On 05/07/2020 09.17, Doug McGarrett wrote:

On 7/4/20 10:05 PM, Carlos E. R. wrote:

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On 04/07/2020 23.42, Doug McGarrett wrote:

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I mentioned in a reply to Patrick (a few notes further on in the list) that an app that is mentioned in the system, aspell, might fulfill the requirement, if I could figure out how to install and use it. OTOH, I have used Artha for years without any sign of a problem, and I would certainly be happy to go back to it. How do I get to the Education repo? This system of alternate (or extra?) repos has baffled me for the entire year I have been a Suser.

I explained that not a day ago, so I'm not going to repeat it.

I just went thru every message on the machine that's signed Carlos E. R. in the incoming and the trash pile and I can't find that.

Then you have a mail problem as well. https://lists.opensuse.org/opensuse-support/2020-07/msg00020.html -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 15.1 x86_64 at Telcontar)

On 06/07/2020 04.30, Doug McGarrett wrote:

On 7/5/20 6:57 AM, Carlos E. R. wrote:

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On 05/07/2020 09.17, Doug McGarrett wrote:

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On 7/4/20 10:05 PM, Carlos E. R. wrote:

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On 04/07/2020 23.42, Doug McGarrett wrote:

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I mentioned in a reply to Patrick (a few notes further on in the list) that an app that is mentioned in the system, aspell, might fulfill the requirement, if I could figure out how to install and use it. OTOH, I have used Artha for years without any sign of a problem, and I would certainly be happy to go back to it. How do I get to the Education repo? This system of alternate (or extra?) repos has baffled me for the entire year I have been a Suser.

I explained that not a day ago, so I'm not going to repeat it.

I just went thru every message on the machine that's signed Carlos E. R. in the incoming and the trash pile and I can't find that.

Then you have a mail problem as well.

https://lists.opensuse.org/opensuse-support/2020-07/msg00020.html

Yes, it turns out that I have a mail problem, but not with OpenSUSE; once in a while I download mail on an OLD PCLOS on another machine. It turns out that the version of Thunderbird running on that machine HAS NO AVAILABLE TRASH PILE! So if I erased the message--which of course I should not have--on that mail prog, it is effectively gone for good. The PCLOS is probably 5 years old, and I don't dare mess with it, since it has been very thoroughly superseded (and ruined!) I use that machine since I cannot at present print or scan with the new PC and this OS. (Now that you have repeated the message for me--thank you!--I have opened it again on the other PC and printed it out.)

Then I suggest you never open email on that machine ever again. And don't trash any messages, learn to handle email without trashing. -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 15.1 x86_64 at Telcontar)

Op maandag 6 juli 2020 21:22:01 CEST schreef Doug McGarrett:

On 7/6/20 5:12 AM, Carlos E. R. wrote: /snip/

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I just went thru every message on the machine that's signed Carlos E. R. in the incoming and the trash pile and I can't find that.

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Then you have a mail problem as well.

https://lists.opensuse.org/opensuse-support/2020-07/msg00020.html

Yes, it turns out that I have a mail problem, but not with OpenSUSE; once in a while I download mail on an OLD PCLOS on another machine. It turns out that the version of Thunderbird running on that machine HAS NO AVAILABLE TRASH PILE! So if I erased the message--which of course I should not have--on that mail prog, it is effectively gone for good. The PCLOS is probably 5 years old, and I don't dare mess with it, since it has been very thoroughly superseded (and ruined!) I use that machine since I cannot at present print or scan with the new PC and this OS. (Now that you have repeated the message for me--thank you!--I have opened it again on the other PC and printed it out.)

Then I suggest you never open email on that machine ever again.

And don't trash any messages, learn to handle email without trashing.

Yes, absolutely! I don't normally trash messages of use; this one apparently slipped thru. As I mentioned earlier, I will only open messages on that machine which I have already read here on Suse, so as to print them out. Until I make the printers work here. --doug Doug, can you stick to one topic per thread, please. Nobody dropping in here will be able make something out of the chaos this thread has become.

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On Sat, 04 Jul 2020 17:23:52 +0200 Atri Bhattacharya wrote:

Hi Doug

On Sat, 2020-07-04 at 02:35 -0400, Doug McGarrett wrote:

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I am finding that certain very common apps appear to be missing from the latest OpenSUSE Tumbleweed--for instance, Artha. That's just one.

We dropped artha from the distro because it has been unmaintained by upstream for many years and susceptible to security issues (e.g. https://bugzilla.suse.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1143860). Please see if you can find some other dictionary app that doesn't hurt your system.

I just looked at the openSUSE bug report and went from there to various other links, including https://www.exploit-db.com/exploits/45760 but I still don't understand what the vulnerability actually is? It claims "Artha The Open Thesaurus 1.0.3.0 - Denial of Service (PoC)" (and note that Artha says it is a thesaurus rather than a spelling app) and the exploit itself is a python script that creates a small file containing 256 instances of the letter 'A'. But I don't understand what this has to do with Artha? Or what problem it causes (or even can cause?) What is one supposed to do with this script and Artha to cause a DOS? And what exactly gets DOSed - just Artha or my entire system or what? And how exactly would a python script get into my system and somehow run to interact with Artha to cause whatever probelm is alleged? Exactly what is the alleged problem? -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-support+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-support+owner@opensuse.org

On Sun, 05 Jul 2020 14:40:19 +0200 Atri Bhattacharya wrote:

Dave,

On Sun, 2020-07-05 at 11:59 +0100, Dave Howorth wrote:

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I just looked at the openSUSE bug report and went from there to various other links, including https://www.exploit-db.com/exploits/45760 but I still don't understand what the vulnerability actually is?

It claims "Artha The Open Thesaurus 1.0.3.0 - Denial of Service (PoC)"

(and note that Artha says it is a thesaurus rather than a spelling app)

and the exploit itself is a python script that creates a small file containing 256 instances of the letter 'A'.

But I don't understand what this has to do with Artha? Or what problem it causes (or even can cause?) What is one supposed to do with this script and Artha to cause a DOS? And what exactly gets DOSed - just Artha or my entire system or what? And how exactly would a python script get into my system and somehow run to interact with Artha to cause whatever probelm is alleged?

Exactly what is the alleged problem?

I am not an expert here, but that has never stopped me from hazarding a guess ;-)

Thanks for your reply. I'm definitely not an expert either but I'm trying to understand what the problem is.

The problem seems to be that artha has a buffer overflow in its code, which can be exploited by a specifically crafted script -- the python script in that example, for instance -- to DDOS your system. The python script can get into your system by any number of ways: website caches, downloading malicious attachments from emails, etc.

The exploit has been in the open since 2018 -- not just alleged, but demonstrated and reproduced using that script -- so I would think it is, by now, rather straightforward for anyone to exploit.

Well, I'd like to reproduce the problem using the script but I don't understand how to. There don't seem to be any instructions for what to do with the script to invoke the bug. Just running the script simply creates the text file. Pasting the script itself into Artha's query box produces a message: "Regular expression pattern detected "No matches found! Please check your expression and try again." Pasting the name of the text file, or pasting the contents of the text file both produce the same error message: "Queried string not found in thesaurus!" So I don't understand what the alleged bug is, nor do I see a plausible method by which any bug could be invoked by that script without active cooperation from the victim. Maybe it's just my ignorance and I've missed something somewhere that explains what is supposed to be the problem? How could the original author or anybody else fix the 'bug' if they can't find out how to invoke it?

Cheers,

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