Right, let's draw a line under this thread now. This is a support channel, it is useful to have short focused back-and-forths answering specific support questions. This thread has more than run its course by now. Doug, if you have any other specific issues please feel free to raise each as a single message. General discussion about oS and TW vs Leap goes in the general opensuse list (not here). Dennis, if I offended you with my previous message, apologies. TW vs Leap is a discussion I am happy to have with anyone, but let's keep that out of the support ML. Thanks and best wishes. remaining usable)." This means that if you are a power user, developer, or an oS contributor, TW should appeal to you the most (i.e. more than Leap) -- quite different from the impression your (mis)quoted text conveys.