On Sun, 2020-02-16 at 14:06 +0200, Mykola Krachkovsky wrote:
неділя, 16 лютого 2020 р. 01:04:28 EET tomas.kuchta.lists@gmail.com написано:
This IT (web hosting) problem was mentioned here when we talked about what are the plans for 15.2 and opensuse.org website in general.
If I remember correctly, opensuse.org is hosted by/at Microfocus datacent somewhere in Provo, UT. SuSE and openSuse has no access to it and IT tickets are not being answered. There was some talk of releasing that HW/SW access to SuSE at some point. It has probably been forgotten or ....
While it was not said, based on my corporate experience, I would dare to guess that there is some unsurmountable obstacle in getting this done. Perhaps it is ownership problem or the fact that Microfocus does not see reason to do anything about it after SuSE spin off....
Tomas
Yes, but maybe something could be done? If server could be moved somewhere else, maybe do it with some help of community (fundraising or some other help).
Or if server couldn't be moved (due to policy or other reasons) and problem is linked to heavy load of bugzilla server, create something like mirror(s) for searching.
Just stupid ideas. But this problem persists for quite a time.
I agree that it should be possible and relatively easy to do - fix/improve project's web presence - these days - with relatively small stable funding and core volunteers. Under the surface of openSuSE open source project appearance - this maybe really, really, really difficult though. ----Disclaimer---- I have no affiliation with SuSE and no first hand knowledge of inner-workings of SuSE or openSuSE. I have been fan/user personal and corporate for over 20 years now - that is my only connection. So, please take my opinions with healthy measure of critical scrutiny. I do have practical experience with running corporate IT and a cultural charity in my past. ----End - Disclaimer---- It seems to me that openSuSE, for better or worse, is coupled with SuSE development and needs. That, in my opinion, is not necessarily bad, but over time this leaked out many external people from the general openSuSE community. Perhaps to this point where there is very weak community driven agenda/voice. On the openSuSE infrastructure side, again, for better or worse, the community cannot really participate with resources ($$/expertise). This is because from accounting, corporate and legal point of view openSuSE == SuSE. Corporations cannot freely take gifts without contracts, setup corporate backed community web/infrastructure without liability. All the corporate governance responsibilities makes any true community driven IT activities difficult and costly to SuSE. In my opinion, the biggest obstacle to the true community driven openSuSE, with or without SuSE's backing - is the projects name an ownership - if openSuSE, as a community, makes mistakes or just diverges too much from SuSE - it might affect SuSE brand. That is perhaps why RedHat --> Fedora/CentOS, Cannonical --> Ubuntu are separated by name and by their own legal entities - albeitsuccessfully sponsored/influenced by the need of their backer. I hope that my understanding of the current openSuSE project constraints makes sense and it is somewhat accurate. Tomas -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-support+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-support+owner@opensuse.org