Hello, (Lukas, feel free to join the discussion again ;-) on Sonntag, 9. Dezember 2007, Pascal Bleser wrote:
Christian Boltz wrote:
on Freitag, 7. Dezember 2007, Pascal Bleser wrote:
Lukas Ocilka wrote:
[... deleted several things we agree on ...]
I think we have two usecases:
a) users going through all patterns without knowing in advance what they need exactly. Let's call it "window shopping" ;-) In this case the long list as seen on the screenshots (maybe combined with [+] / [-] expand switches) is the best solution.
b) users who know exactly what they want to install. In this case a category list would be better.
c) users who look for software by purpose ("I want email and office and those cool looking animations")
Maybe a list of "favourites" on top (5-6 items at most) would help for this use case. Those should be desktop related ones (off the top of my head: KDE, GNOME, OpenOffice.org, Compiz-Fusion)
Nice idea. However, these "Favorites" category will need to duplicate the patterns because they also have to be in their related category (for example: KDE and GNOME in "graphical desktop")
- do more users fit into a) or b)?
I'd put that question the opposite way: whom are the patterns and hence the pattern selection dialog most useful to ? Group (b) sounds more experienced to me, and those can still search for specific packages in YaST's Software Management screen. IMHO the patterns and its selection screen is most useful to target group (a). But that's really just my very personal gut feeling.
You might be right. For example, I'm often using the pattern _detail_ view in package manager when I want to install more than one or two packages. The pattern names are good for a first orientation, but I often select or unselect some packages inside the chosen pattern. (Yes, I would say I fit into b).)
Maybe we can have a solution for both usecases by using a category list with links like
Or maybe a group "all".
If it preserves the sort order and category "headlines". Sorting all patterns alphabetically is, well, not optimal ;-)
* Possibility to hide the pattern description (?)
With the long list, this would be a very good idea.
hmh. But how understandable is "Enhanced base system" or "Console tools" without its description ? Or what's the difference between "KDE Desktop Environment" and "KDE Base System" without the descriptions ?
Beginners should of course NOT hide the pattern description, but it might save experts some scrolling ;-) Not sure if it is worth the work and/or causes confusion to newbies...
- Sort KDE and Gnome alphabetically to avoid flamewars ;-))
Over 70% use KDE ;P
And the remaining ~30% will ask for an explanation if KDE is at the top of the list ;-)
Hmm, maybe we should discuss pattern view and sw_single (+ inst_source, YOU etc.) as _one_ module (using tabs), since this is what I would see as target.
100% ACK ! That's indeed what it should be like at some point.
OK, then over to Lukas and all the other YaST developers: Is this possible? ;-) Sidenote: Possible improvements for adding a repository are listed in https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=346718#c6 Regards, Christian Boltz, random sig ;-) -- Möglicherweise laufe ich sogar mit fliegenden Fahnen von Gnome zu KDE über. Jedenfalls, bis sich das Gnome-Projekt dazu entschliesst, Nautilus durch /irgendwas/ zu ersetzen. Notfalls eine Parkuhr oder einen Bratenwender. Aber nicht dieses.... "Ding". [Ratti in suse-linux] -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-softwaremgmt+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-softwaremgmt+help@opensuse.org