Hello
It is my pleasure to announce that voting for openSUSE board [0] has begun [2] - so please don't forget to cast your vote at:
Voting will last until 2017-02-01 and on 2017-02-02 results will be announced, you can cast three votes, all members [2][3] are eligible for voting.
Cheers and good luck to all candidates
Martin Pluskal
0. https://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Board_election 1. https://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Board_election#Phase_2:_Election 2. https://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Members 3. https://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Membership_officials#Process 4. https://connect.opensuse.org/pg/polls/read/pluskalm/52868/opensuse-board-ele...
On 21.01.2017 8:57, Martin Pluskal wrote:
Hello
It is my pleasure to announce that voting for openSUSE board [0] has begun [2] - so please don't forget to cast your vote at:
Voting will last until 2017-02-01 and on 2017-02-02 results will be announced, you can cast three votes
Correction, two votes.
Happy voting
Martin
Le 21/01/2017 à 09:17, Martin Pluskal a écrit :
Correction, two votes.
Happy voting
Martin
I see you remove the initial poll. There where already 7 votes, so people that voted already cast again your vote :-)
jdd
On 21.01.2017 9:17, Martin Pluskal wrote:
On 21.01.2017 8:57, Martin Pluskal wrote:
Hello
It is my pleasure to announce that voting for openSUSE board [0] has begun [2] - so please don't forget to cast your vote at:
Voting will last until 2017-02-01 and on 2017-02-02 results will be announced, you can cast three votes
Correction, two votes.
Happy voting
Martin
Hello
Due to technical difficulties, new poll had to be created: http://bit.ly/2iVTS9E [1]
https://connect.opensuse.org/pg/polls/read/pluskalm/52970/opensuse-board-ele...
If you have already voted in previous one please accept my aplogy and vote again
Happy voting
Martin Pluskal
Am Samstag, 21. Januar 2017, 09:26:57 CET schrieb Martin Pluskal:
Due to technical difficulties, new poll had to be created: http://bit.ly/2iVTS9E [1]
https://connect.opensuse.org/pg/polls/read/pluskalm/52970/opensuse-board-ele ction-20162017
If you have already voted in previous one please accept my aplogy and vote again
If you are just in a voting rush...FOSS Force is looking for the 'best' Linux Distro - however this may be defined:
http://fossforce.com/2017/01/best-linux-distro-time/
lørdag den 21. januar 2017 09.26.57 CET skrev Martin Pluskal:
Due to technical difficulties, new poll had to be created: http://bit.ly/2iVTS9E [1]
https://connect.opensuse.org/pg/polls/read/pluskalm/52970/opensuse-board-ele ction-20162017
If you have already voted in previous one please accept my aplogy and vote again
The links to Andrew Wafaa's 'announcement' and 'platform' seem to be wrong. They link to the poll itself.
And as everytime there are too many good candidates and not enough votes to give ;-)
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On Sun, 2017-01-22 at 13:48 +0100, Martin Schlander wrote:
lørdag den 21. januar 2017 09.26.57 CET skrev Martin Pluskal:
Due to technical difficulties, new poll had to be created: http://bit.ly/2iVTS9E [1]
https://connect.opensuse.org/pg/polls/read/pluskalm/52970/opensuse- board-ele ction-20162017
If you have already voted in previous one please accept my aplogy and vote again
The links to Andrew Wafaa's 'announcement' and 'platform' seem to be wrong. They link to the poll itself.
Hello
They are not wrong, just not filled - announcement was sent to non- public mailing list and platform is yet to be filled.
Cheers
Martin
Le 21/01/2017 à 08:57, Martin Pluskal a écrit :
Hello
It is my pleasure to announce that voting for openSUSE board [0] has begun [2] - so please don't forget to cast your vote at:
done, but I noticed each line of the poll is doubled (two copies of each line)
jdd
On Sat, 21 Jan 2017 09:21:51 +0100, jdd wrote:
Le 21/01/2017 à 08:57, Martin Pluskal a écrit :
Hello
It is my pleasure to announce that voting for openSUSE board [0] has begun [2] - so please don't forget to cast your vote at:
done, but I noticed each line of the poll is doubled (two copies of each line)
It seems this poll has problems as well - I noticed that Aaron Luna is listed 4 times, Sarah is listed 3, and the others are listed once.
I'd like some clarification as to why this is (or ask that the poll be recreated again with each candidate listed once) so it's really clear who's getting the votes and easy to evaluate the results when it's over.
Dne neděle 22. ledna 2017 20:59:50 CET, Jim Henderson napsal(a):
On Sat, 21 Jan 2017 09:21:51 +0100, jdd wrote:
Le 21/01/2017 à 08:57, Martin Pluskal a écrit :
It is my pleasure to announce that voting for openSUSE board [0] has begun [2] - so please don't forget to cast your vote at:
done, but I noticed each line of the poll is doubled (two copies of each line)
It seems this poll has problems as well - I noticed that Aaron Luna is listed 4 times, Sarah is listed 3, and the others are listed once.
It works fine for me - everyone is listed once. Everything is OK.
Jim Henderson wrote:
On Sat, 21 Jan 2017 09:21:51 +0100, jdd wrote:
Le 21/01/2017 à 08:57, Martin Pluskal a écrit :
Hello
It is my pleasure to announce that voting for openSUSE board [0] has begun [2] - so please don't forget to cast your vote at:
done, but I noticed each line of the poll is doubled (two copies of each line)
It seems this poll has problems as well - I noticed that Aaron Luna is listed 4 times, Sarah is listed 3, and the others are listed once.
Martin amended it later, the correct url is:
https://connect.opensuse.org/pg/polls/read/pluskalm/52970/opensuse-board-ele...
On 2017-01-23 08:51, Per Jessen wrote:
Martin amended it later, the correct url is:
https://connect.opensuse.org/pg/polls/read/pluskalm/52970/opensuse-board-ele...
Sorry, where is the list of candidates with their speeches?
I have not tried login to the above page, though, but I don't expect that info to require login :-?
El 23/01/17 a las 16:30, Carlos E. R. escribió:
On 2017-01-23 08:51, Per Jessen wrote:
Martin amended it later, the correct url is:
https://connect.opensuse.org/pg/polls/read/pluskalm/52970/opensuse-board-ele...
Sorry, where is the list of candidates with their speeches?
I have not tried login to the above page, though, but I don't expect that info to require login :-?
After read their speeches if you want to vote, you will need to login...
On 2017-01-23 16:56, victorhck wrote:
El 23/01/17 a las 16:30, Carlos E. R. escribió:
On 2017-01-23 08:51, Per Jessen wrote:
Martin amended it later, the correct url is:
https://connect.opensuse.org/pg/polls/read/pluskalm/52970/opensuse-board-ele...
Sorry, where is the list of candidates with their speeches?
I have not tried login to the above page, though, but I don't expect that info to require login :-?
After read their speeches if you want to vote, you will need to login...
Yes, of course, but that's another day. Now I simply want to know who they are and what they propose, to study them. I do not know where they are :-(
I suppose there is a site for the speeches, open, and another another for voting that needs ID.
Le 23/01/2017 à 20:54, Carlos E. R. a écrit :
I suppose there is a site for the speeches, open, and another another for voting that needs ID.
right now you can login and read the text without voting (the link is next to the candidate names)
jdd
On 2017-01-23 20:58, jdd wrote:
Le 23/01/2017 à 20:54, Carlos E. R. a écrit :
I suppose there is a site for the speeches, open, and another another for voting that needs ID.
right now you can login and read the text without voting (the link is next to the candidate names)
I see. Not good.
All five names are repeated, twice.
If the board is five members and there are only 5 candidates, I see no point in voting...
Carlos E. R. composed on 2017-01-24 04:16 (UTC+0100):
All five names are repeated, twice.
Same here. I too tried to find platforms without logging in first and could not.
On opening https://connect.opensuse.org/pg/polls/read/pluskalm/52970/opensuse-board-ele... with a virgin Firefox profile I applied five Ctrl-+es, all necessary to be able to read comfortably with my browser's default text size.
As none of those platform links link to opensuse.org pages, which would lead to Firefox applying the (remembered) zoom level just applied, six of the other eight links lead to more mousetype[1] pages, while the other two are only somewhat better, requiring three rather than five zoom increments.
Andrew's platform links on https://connect.opensuse.org/pg/polls/read/pluskalm/52970/opensuse-board-ele... do not lead to anything that looks like a platform.
https://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Board_election_rules , the "full" election rules from the first paragraph on https://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Board_election#Phase_2:_Election says the next election will take place at the end of 2013.
http://bit.ly/2jYi5xt looks like a spammer URL. My email is set to discard messages that contain URLs that look like that. I'm surprised this thread's OP made it into my SUSE folder.
Yi yi yi yi yi yi yi. - - - - - - - to this election process. :-(
If the board is five members and there are only 5 candidates, I see no point in voting...
Only two positions are to be filled via the current election. The entire board is not elected or re-elected at one time.
[1] https://www.waywordradio.org/mouse_type_1/ cf. https://bugzilla.opensuse.org/show_bug.cgi?id=646418
On 24 January 2017 at 06:17, Felix Miata mrmazda@earthlink.net wrote:
Yi yi yi yi yi yi yi. - - - - - - - to this election process. :-(
In which case, can I assume you volunteer to be part of the Election Committee for next years election?
Richard Brown composed on 2017-01-24 10:06 (UTC+0100):
Felix Miata wrote:
Yi yi yi yi yi yi yi. - - - - - - - to this election process. :-(
In which case, can I assume you volunteer to be part of the Election Committee for next years election?
I suggest you ask in 11 months or so. I'm >60. Other than MD appointments, I rarely make commitments one day in advance, much less one year.
On 2017-01-24 06:17, Felix Miata wrote:
Carlos E. R. composed on 2017-01-24 04:16 (UTC+0100):
If the board is five members and there are only 5 candidates, I see no point in voting...
Only two positions are to be filled via the current election. The entire board is not elected or re-elected at one time.
But this is not said in the voting page!
On 24 January 2017 at 14:21, Carlos E. R. robin.listas@telefonica.net wrote:
On 2017-01-24 06:17, Felix Miata wrote:
Carlos E. R. composed on 2017-01-24 04:16 (UTC+0100):
If the board is five members and there are only 5 candidates, I see no point in voting...
Only two positions are to be filled via the current election. The entire board is not elected or re-elected at one time.
But this is not said in the voting page!
It isn't?
https://connect.opensuse.org/pg/polls/read/pluskalm/52970/opensuse-board-ele... says "Two seats are contested in this election, meaning each openSUSE member has two votes to cast."
On 2017-01-24 14:30, Richard Brown wrote:
On 24 January 2017 at 14:21, Carlos E. R. robin.listas@telefonica.net wrote:
On 2017-01-24 06:17, Felix Miata wrote:
Carlos E. R. composed on 2017-01-24 04:16 (UTC+0100):
If the board is five members and there are only 5 candidates, I see no point in voting...
Only two positions are to be filled via the current election. The entire board is not elected or re-elected at one time.
But this is not said in the voting page!
It isn't?
https://connect.opensuse.org/pg/polls/read/pluskalm/52970/opensuse-board-ele... says "Two seats are contested in this election, meaning each openSUSE member has two votes to cast."
No, it doesn't. I was told to go to:
https://connect.opensuse.org/pg/polls/read/pluskalm/52970/opensuse-board-ele...
where it says (loaded yesterday night):
«Welcome to the election of the 2017 openSUSE board. The board consists of one appointed chairperson and 5 elected members who may serve up to 2 consecutive terms on the board.
To clarify - Each openSUSE member has TWO VOTES they can use for this election
Note that no single organization or company can control more than 40 percent of the electable board seats (more than 2 seats). Please read the full description of the election process.»
Notice that the words "two seats" is not there. I reload the page and now it says:
«Welcome to the election of the 2017 openSUSE board. The board consists of one appointed chairperson and 5 elected members who may serve up to 2 consecutive terms on the board. Two seats are contested in this election, meaning each openSUSE member has two votes to cast.
To clarify - Each openSUSE member has TWO VOTES they can use for this election
Note that no single organization or company can control more than 40 percent of the electable board seats (more than 2 seats). Please read the full description of the election process.»
So someone has changed the page today. Thankyou for that, but that person could have replied to my post saying that and thus stop the discussion.
Dne úterý 24. ledna 2017 14:39:03 CET, Carlos E. R. napsal(a):
On 2017-01-24 14:30, Richard Brown wrote:
On 24 January 2017 at 14:21, Carlos E. R. robin.listas@telefonica.net
wrote:
On 2017-01-24 06:17, Felix Miata wrote:
Carlos E. R. composed on 2017-01-24 04:16 (UTC+0100):
If the board is five members and there are only 5 candidates, I see no point in voting...
Only two positions are to be filled via the current election. The entire board is not elected or re-elected at one time.
But this is not said in the voting page!
It isn't?
https://connect.opensuse.org/pg/polls/read/pluskalm/52970/opensuse-board-e lection-20162017 says "Two seats are contested in this election, meaning each openSUSE member has two votes to cast."
No, it doesn't. I was told to go to:
https://connect.opensuse.org/pg/polls/read/pluskalm/52970/opensuse-board-ele ction-20162017
where it says (loaded yesterday night):
«Welcome to the election of the 2017 openSUSE board. The board consists of one appointed chairperson and 5 elected members who may serve up to 2 consecutive terms on the board.
To clarify - Each openSUSE member has TWO VOTES they can use for this election
Note that no single organization or company can control more than 40 percent of the electable board seats (more than 2 seats). Please read the full description of the election process.»
Notice that the words "two seats" is not there. I reload the page and now it says:
«Welcome to the election of the 2017 openSUSE board. The board consists of one appointed chairperson and 5 elected members who may serve up to 2 consecutive terms on the board. Two seats are contested in this election, meaning each openSUSE member has two votes to cast.
To clarify - Each openSUSE member has TWO VOTES they can use for this election
Note that no single organization or company can control more than 40 percent of the electable board seats (more than 2 seats). Please read the full description of the election process.»
So someone has changed the page today. Thankyou for that, but that person could have replied to my post saying that and thus stop the discussion.
The poll linked in Martin Plaskal's mail (delivered to me Saturday 9:26 CET; follow the thread up to initiation) contains link https:// connect.opensuse.org//pg/polls/read/pluskalm/52970/opensuse-board- election-20162017 with text "Two seats are contested in this election, meaning each openSUSE member has two votes to cast." (It is even quoted by You!) and link to https://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Board_election_rules I don't miss anything...
On 2017-01-24 14:55, Vojtěch Zeisek wrote:
Dne úterý 24. ledna 2017 14:39:03 CET, Carlos E. R. napsal(a):
On 2017-01-24 14:30, Richard Brown wrote:
So someone has changed the page today. Thankyou for that, but that person could have replied to my post saying that and thus stop the discussion.
The poll linked in Martin Plaskal's mail (delivered to me Saturday 9:26 CET; follow the thread up to initiation) contains link https:// connect.opensuse.org//pg/polls/read/pluskalm/52970/opensuse-board- election-20162017 with text "Two seats are contested in this election, meaning each openSUSE member has two votes to cast." (It is even quoted by You!) and link to https://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Board_election_rules
The first quote, copied from yesterday page, is different than the quote from today. It contains a critical difference: yesterday it did not say "Two seats are contested...".
I don't miss anything...
I did. :-/
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On Tue, 2017-01-24 at 14:39 +0100, Carlos E. R. wrote:
On 2017-01-24 14:30, Richard Brown wrote:
On 24 January 2017 at 14:21, Carlos E. R. <robin.listas@telefonica. net> wrote:
On 2017-01-24 06:17, Felix Miata wrote:
Carlos E. R. composed on 2017-01-24 04:16 (UTC+0100):
If the board is five members and there are only 5 candidates, I see no point in voting...
Only two positions are to be filled via the current election. The entire board is not elected or re-elected at one time.
But this is not said in the voting page!
It isn't?
https://connect.opensuse.org/pg/polls/read/pluskalm/52970/opensuse- board-election-20162017 says "Two seats are contested in this election, meaning each openSUSE member has two votes to cast."
No, it doesn't. I was told to go to:
https://connect.opensuse.org/pg/polls/read/pluskalm/52970/opensuse-bo ard-election-20162017
where it says (loaded yesterday night):
«Welcome to the election of the 2017 openSUSE board. The board consists of one appointed chairperson and 5 elected members who may serve up to 2 consecutive terms on the board.
To clarify - Each openSUSE member has TWO VOTES they can use for this election
Note that no single organization or company can control more than 40 percent of the electable board seats (more than 2 seats). Please read the full description of the election process.»
Notice that the words "two seats" is not there. I reload the page and now it says:
«Welcome to the election of the 2017 openSUSE board. The board consists of one appointed chairperson and 5 elected members who may serve up to 2 consecutive terms on the board. Two seats are contested in this election, meaning each openSUSE member has two votes to cast.
To clarify - Each openSUSE member has TWO VOTES they can use for this election
Note that no single organization or company can control more than 40 percent of the electable board seats (more than 2 seats). Please read the full description of the election process.»
So someone has changed the page today. Thankyou for that, but that person could have replied to my post saying that and thus stop the discussion.
Hello
Nobody changed the poll description since it was created, it has stated two members since its creation, reelection two members of board was also clearly explained at [1]
Cheers
Martin Pluskal
1. https://lists.opensuse.org/opensuse-announce/2016-12/msg00000.html
On 2017-01-24 15:14, Martin Pluskal wrote:
On Tue, 2017-01-24 at 14:39 +0100, Carlos E. R. wrote:
On 2017-01-24 14:30, Richard Brown wrote:
No, it doesn't. I was told to go to:
https://connect.opensuse.org/pg/polls/read/pluskalm/52970/opensuse-bo ard-election-20162017
where it says (loaded yesterday night):
«Welcome to the election of the 2017 openSUSE board. The board consists of one appointed chairperson and 5 elected members who may serve up to 2 consecutive terms on the board.
To clarify - Each openSUSE member has TWO VOTES they can use for this election
Note that no single organization or company can control more than 40 percent of the electable board seats (more than 2 seats). Please read the full description of the election process.»
Notice that the words "two seats" is not there. I reload the page and now it says:
«Welcome to the election of the 2017 openSUSE board. The board consists of one appointed chairperson and 5 elected members who may serve up to 2 consecutive terms on the board. Two seats are contested in this election, meaning each openSUSE member has two votes to cast.
To clarify - Each openSUSE member has TWO VOTES they can use for this election
Note that no single organization or company can control more than 40 percent of the electable board seats (more than 2 seats). Please read the full description of the election process.»
So someone has changed the page today. Thankyou for that, but that person could have replied to my post saying that and thus stop the discussion.
Hello
Nobody changed the poll description since it was created, it has stated two members since its creation, reelection two members of board was also clearly explained at [1]
Yes, it has changed. The phrase:
Two seats are contested in this election, meaning each openSUSE member has two votes to cast.
has appeared today when loading the page fresh, as proved by my copy paste above.
Link here:
https://connect.opensuse.org/pg/polls/read/pluskalm/52970/opensuse-board-ele...
On Tue, 24 Jan 2017 14:21:05 +0100, Carlos E. R. wrote:
On 2017-01-24 06:17, Felix Miata wrote:
Carlos E. R. composed on 2017-01-24 04:16 (UTC+0100):
If the board is five members and there are only 5 candidates, I see no point in voting...
Only two positions are to be filled via the current election. The entire board is not elected or re-elected at one time.
But this is not said in the voting page!
Each member has two votes, ergo, there are two seats up for election.
Jim
Hi,
On 01/24/2017 08:15 PM, Jim Henderson wrote:
Each member has two votes, ergo, there are two seats up for election.
No, this argument doesn't hold. E.g. I don't know of any democracy where you can cast as many votes as positions/seats are available. (Doesn't need to be a nation, also applies to much smaller organizations like the size of opensuse)
P.S.: I'm following this discussion as outsider, I'm not involved in the process on either side.
On Tue, 24 Jan 2017 20:31:21 +0100, Sebastian wrote:
Hi,
On 01/24/2017 08:15 PM, Jim Henderson wrote:
Each member has two votes, ergo, there are two seats up for election.
No, this argument doesn't hold. E.g. I don't know of any democracy where you can cast as many votes as positions/seats are available. (Doesn't need to be a nation, also applies to much smaller organizations like the size of opensuse)
P.S.: I'm following this discussion as outsider, I'm not involved in the process on either side.
It's how the board elections have always been done in the past. The number of votes is the same as the number of open seats, and the only time we've voted for the entire board was the first time - the terms have never all expired at the same time.
Jim
On 24 Jan 2017, at 19:31, Sebastian sebix@sebix.at wrote:
On 01/24/2017 08:15 PM, Jim Henderson wrote:
Each member has two votes, ergo, there are two seats up for election.
No, this argument doesn't hold. E.g. I don't know of any democracy where you can cast as many votes as positions/seats are available. (Doesn't need to be a nation, also applies to much smaller organizations like the size of opensuse)
I’m also a kibitzer, but where’s the problem (apart from that it doesn’t conform to your expectations)?
There’s a certain small risk that someone may cast all their votes for one person, which would make them a lot more likely to win if there was a small pool of electors and a large number being elected. That’s easy to check for. Are there other disadvantages to these voting rules?
David
On Tue, 24 Jan 2017 04:16:05 +0100, Carlos E. R. wrote:
If the board is five members and there are only 5 candidates, I see no point in voting...
Only two positions are up for election right now.
On Mon, 23 Jan 2017 08:51:14 +0100, Per Jessen wrote:
Jim Henderson wrote:
On Sat, 21 Jan 2017 09:21:51 +0100, jdd wrote:
Le 21/01/2017 à 08:57, Martin Pluskal a écrit :
Hello
It is my pleasure to announce that voting for openSUSE board [0] has begun [2] - so please don't forget to cast your vote at:
done, but I noticed each line of the poll is doubled (two copies of each line)
It seems this poll has problems as well - I noticed that Aaron Luna is listed 4 times, Sarah is listed 3, and the others are listed once.
Martin amended it later, the correct url is:
https://connect.opensuse.org/pg/polls/read/pluskalm/52970/opensuse-
board-election-20162017
Thanks, now I see each candidate listed twice - seems odd, but I guess if someone wants to vote twice for an individual, that's an option.
Jim
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On Sun, 2017-01-22 at 20:59 +0000, Jim Henderson wrote:
On Sat, 21 Jan 2017 09:21:51 +0100, jdd wrote:
Le 21/01/2017 à 08:57, Martin Pluskal a écrit :
Hello
It is my pleasure to announce that voting for openSUSE board [0] has begun [2] - so please don't forget to cast your vote at:
done, but I noticed each line of the poll is doubled (two copies of each line)
It seems this poll has problems as well - I noticed that Aaron Luna is listed 4 times, Sarah is listed 3, and the others are listed once.
I'd like some clarification as to why this is (or ask that the poll be recreated again with each candidate listed once) so it's really clear who's getting the votes and easy to evaluate the results when it's over.
Hello
Issue is being investigated (although it seems to be random), thanks for bringing this topic to our attention.
Cheers
Martin
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