[opensuse-project] Minutes openSUSE Conference 2015 team meeting 23 sept -> next meeting 7 october 13.00h UTC
Dear all!
Today we had a productive kickoff session on IRC, thanks to all participants!
The minutes can be found here *:
Minutes: http://community.opensuse.org/meetings/opensuse-project/2014/opensuse-projec... Minutes (text): http://community.opensuse.org/meetings/opensuse-project/2014/opensuse-projec... Log: http://community.opensuse.org/meetings/opensuse-project/2014/opensuse-projec... * apparently we still have some practicing to do with regards to the IRC tags, but the general outline should be readable.
The next meeting will be tuesday the 7th of October on 15h CEST (13h UTC), to find out the time in your timezone check: www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?day=7&month=10&year=2014&hour=13&min=00&sec=0
We all have quite a bit of work to do before the next meeting, so don't let me detain you!
Best regards,
Hans de Raad Robin Edgar
On Tuesday 23 September 2014 17.31:43 Hans de Raad wrote:
Dear all!
Today we had a productive kickoff session on IRC, thanks to all participants!
The minutes can be found here *:
Minutes: http://community.opensuse.org/meetings/opensuse-project/2014/opensuse-projec... Minutes (text): http://community.opensuse.org/meetings/opensuse-project/2014/opensuse-projec... Log: http://community.opensuse.org/meetings/opensuse-project/2014/opensuse-projec...
- apparently we still have some practicing to do with regards to the IRC
tags, but the general outline should be readable.
The next meeting will be tuesday the 7th of October on 15h CEST (13h UTC), to find out the time in your timezone check: www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?day=7&month=10&year=2014&hour=13&min=00&sec=0
We all have quite a bit of work to do before the next meeting, so don't let me detain you!
Best regards,
Hans de Raad Robin Edgar
Hey cool, it's starting again. Unlikely Tuesday and Wednesday are black days for me being 98% outside. :-(
I've read the minutes, and I'm really interested by 2 points :
First the questionable choice of trello
Why : if it seems to have worked for osc13, but there's still interesting todo tickets not yet finished. We can't say osc14 was perfect (we all known that) and the use of trello hadn't helped in that objective.
If osc13 is still visible in trello, it sound strange that previous osc14 has disappear ... Perhaps due to the fact that so many cards was still in the to-do columns? :-)
Secondly: The same team (hurrah) propose to help, but!
I've not seen (shall I re-read between the lines) any differences from last year like people asking questions to our new hosts about how they want to run it, organize it. We have choose Robin and Hans as host due to their previous competencies in organizing such events. Shouldn't we start by listening what they can offer, with their differences and creativity first.
It look like from the minutes, there's a bunch of experts around that knows everything, but they have failed to make osc14 the event we would like to have.
I personally don't want to see community or related people to invest so much energy and time (beside our sponsors money) for less than 100 people at the conference.
So I'm really interested by "What's the new strategy, to succeed this year?"
2014-09-23 20:57 GMT+03:00 Bruno Friedmann bruno@ioda-net.ch:
On Tuesday 23 September 2014 17.31:43 Hans de Raad wrote:
Dear all!
Today we had a productive kickoff session on IRC, thanks to all participants!
The minutes can be found here *:
Minutes: http://community.opensuse.org/meetings/opensuse-project/2014/opensuse-projec... Minutes (text): http://community.opensuse.org/meetings/opensuse-project/2014/opensuse-projec... Log: http://community.opensuse.org/meetings/opensuse-project/2014/opensuse-projec...
- apparently we still have some practicing to do with regards to the IRC
tags, but the general outline should be readable.
The next meeting will be tuesday the 7th of October on 15h CEST (13h UTC), to find out the time in your timezone check: www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?day=7&month=10&year=2014&hour=13&min=00&sec=0
We all have quite a bit of work to do before the next meeting, so don't let me detain you!
Best regards,
Hans de Raad Robin Edgar
Hey cool, it's starting again. Unlikely Tuesday and Wednesday are black days for me being 98% outside. :-(
I've read the minutes, and I'm really interested by 2 points :
First the questionable choice of trello
Why : if it seems to have worked for osc13, but there's still interesting todo tickets not yet finished. We can't say osc14 was perfect (we all known that) and the use of trello hadn't helped in that objective.
If osc13 is still visible in trello, it sound strange that previous osc14 has disappear ...
Nop it is still there https://trello.com/b/C8IkyYJ8/osc14
Perhaps due to the fact that so many cards was still in the to-do columns? :-)
Again nop, just see the link
Secondly: The same team (hurrah) propose to help, but!
I've not seen (shall I re-read between the lines) any differences from last year like people asking questions to our new hosts about how they want to run it, organize it. We have choose Robin and Hans as host due to their previous competencies in organizing such events. Shouldn't we start by listening what they can offer, with their differences and creativity first.
It look like from the minutes, there's a bunch of experts around that knows everything, but they have failed to make osc14 the event we would like to have.
Let me summarize since if we start talking with the 'between lines' way this will become a very long tiring flaming thread. 1)oSC14 was not in any way a failure, I honestly believe it and I also thought that this was you opinion too, not even in numbers since oSC12 had less community people and we all now that last year was not the greatest year of the openSUSE Project for many reason and that was reflected partly on oSC14. 2)Hans(I speak only for Hans since we both know him very well) is very experienced and thinking that me and Stella(since it is clear to all from who 'experts' you are talking about) can someway manipulate him on how to make things is at least a joke. 3) Me and Stella have no problem in leaving the tasks we took if someone else can take over. 4) Trello is a great tool for so many reason and many organizations actually use it on organizing things and it leaves feedback for the people who will organize the next oSC, it was firstly used in oSC13 but it was actually an idea that if I remember correctly Henne brought to the table.
ALL of the above are actual facts. I could continue with some other facts but here is not our playground where we can play 'flamewars' . Community is over everything and if we continue that it will only hurt community. I might as you often say 'will speak even when I die' but as a final fact I say that I am actually dedicating my personal time on actually getting stuff done(as you do in other sections of the Project), if you think you can do better please do but untill you do I think I(and Stella and anyone else contributing) deserves some respect. Have a nice day Kostas
I personally don't want to see community or related people to invest so much energy and time (beside our sponsors money) for less than 100 people at the conference.
So I'm really interested by "What's the new strategy, to succeed this year?"
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On 24/09/2014 08:53, Kostas Koudaras wrote:
1)oSC14 was not in any way a failure, I honestly believe it and I also thought that this was you opinion too, not even in numbers since oSC12 had less community people and we all now that last year was not the greatest year of the openSUSE Project for many reason and that was reflected partly on oSC14.
Hi Kosta,
you and me did have a great talk about this at Dubvrovnik, and for the first time we know each other, we did not have the same point of vue ... so perhaps an opportunity ;-)
Small story : recently I met a woman, who organised a week-end. As the designer did the poster for FREE, she was not able to say : hey, this is not the result I was waiting for (= to clearly see the date-time and name of the known dancer).
So what ? Because the designer did that for free, this woman should say : "great result" all the time ?
(between zero and perfection, any human or community can evolve by admitting a few limits - I'm sure you Kosta agree with this)
First point : I agree on respecting any contributors who give time and energy for openSource and openSUSE,
Second point : I do not agree to acclaim OSC14 as a success
concrete facts ? Of course the number of participants (OSC14) :is it uncorrect that organizers did annouced around 400 ppl and finally we were around 70 (see the picture) ??? (we had plenty of beers and food at the party, that's for sure)
https://news.opensuse.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/04/CSC_0177.jpg
(if you get out the volonteers and the talkers ... how much visitors did we get ? users ? students ? enterprises ? contributors ?)
Then the CFP - call for Paper team (and sorry if you and Robert are concerned), but I would say : better stop OSC each year (and keep it great every 2-3 years) than announcing the talks less than 2 weeks before the date. If nobody have the time to do it correctly, then better stop than doing late (=personal point of vue)
(I did advert the OSC14 at the FOSDEM, and some ppl did trust and apply ... and they did not get an answer ... to decide for the plane reservation! this is not possible)
This is 2 small feed back ! (not free abstract critic)
At one moment, it's intelligent to stop believing : all is great ! As the only way to evolve would be to recognise a few limits.
"when do do what we always did, we'll not go further than where we have been?"
Nobody (not me, not you ...) hope for openSUSE community an "HAS BEEN"(*)
so it just start with a : how we do better than the past years (instead of as last year) ?
(*)even if most of geekos hope to get an OSC16 at Nürberg ...why not
Third point : On 24/09/2014 08:53, Kostas Koudaras wrote:
- Me and Stella have no problem in leaving the tasks we took if
someone else can take over.
it is not a qestion of you+stella or 2 others "instead" ... not either all or nothing ...
but it would be great to think how the openSUSE community and organizers include and welcome new contributors, help them to get involved ! listen to their suggestions, ideas etc. (that was the main Bruno mail key).
Again : this is another CONCRETE feed back (and opening eyes on other openCommunity) on the "HOW we welcome new contributors and helpers".
Fourth & last point : a suggestion to Hans & Robin & team for OSC15
according to me, the priority (-5) would be to find quality talkers (quality technic or/and charism) who accept to come to the Hague ... and if we announced that early enought, perhaps we get more ppl at OSC15.
OK this is a suggestion for now (as we already do a lot all the time for openSource and openSUSE)
Conclusion : I hope we'll see very soon the "back of FUN" (because when fun is here, a lot of ppl join to DO things)-
If anybody see the FUN, could you ask him to come back to openSUSE ? thanks ;-)
Have a great day Françoise
On 24/09/2014 08:53, Kostas Koudaras wrote:
Trello is a great tool
PS :
most tools can be useful or useless ...
according to the context & to the user.
(& for sure Trello is the best tool in an agile small team ...)
On 24/09/2014 08:53, Kostas Koudaras wrote:
1)oSC14 was not in any way a failure,
Just took 2 minutes to find an opening keynote OSC14 picture :
https://plus.google.com/photos/105838531205135016920/albums/6009872209527221...
how you call that Kosta ?
(a quality OSC ... we dont care about the number of ppl ;-)) why not)
(and we can see empty seats in most videos, which is not that great to get new contributors coming ... )
On Wednesday 24 September 2014 09.53:07 Kostas Koudaras wrote:
think I(and Stella and anyone else contributing) deserves some respect.
Certainly, like any of my remarks too ;-)
Hi,
On Tue, 2014-09-23 at 19:57 +0200, Bruno Friedmann wrote:
If osc13 is still visible in trello, it sound strange that previous osc14 has disappear ... Perhaps due to the fact that so many cards was still in the to-do columns? :-)
Should not have disappeared, here's the team page: https://trello.com/osc14team
And here's the board page: https://trello.com/b/C8IkyYJ8/osc14
There's nothing to hide I think... :-)
Best, S
On Wednesday 24 September 2014 13.35:53 Svebor Prstačić wrote:
Hi,
On Tue, 2014-09-23 at 19:57 +0200, Bruno Friedmann wrote:
If osc13 is still visible in trello, it sound strange that previous osc14 has disappear ... Perhaps due to the fact that so many cards was still in the to-do columns? :-)
Should not have disappeared, here's the team page: https://trello.com/osc14team
And here's the board page: https://trello.com/b/C8IkyYJ8/osc14
There's nothing to hide I think... :-)
Best, S
Great the link I was looking for, thanks
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Bruno Friedmann -
Françoise Wybrecht -
Hans de Raad -
Kostas Koudaras -
Svebor Prstačić