2014-09-23 20:57 GMT+03:00 Bruno Friedmann email@example.com:
On Tuesday 23 September 2014 17.31:43 Hans de Raad wrote:
Today we had a productive kickoff session on IRC, thanks to all participants!
The minutes can be found here *:
Minutes: http://community.opensuse.org/meetings/opensuse-project/2014/opensuse-projec... Minutes (text): http://community.opensuse.org/meetings/opensuse-project/2014/opensuse-projec... Log: http://community.opensuse.org/meetings/opensuse-project/2014/opensuse-projec...
- apparently we still have some practicing to do with regards to the IRC
tags, but the general outline should be readable.
The next meeting will be tuesday the 7th of October on 15h CEST (13h UTC), to find out the time in your timezone check: www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?day=7&month=10&year=2014&hour=13&min=00&sec=0
We all have quite a bit of work to do before the next meeting, so don't let me detain you!
Hans de Raad Robin Edgar
Hey cool, it's starting again. Unlikely Tuesday and Wednesday are black days for me being 98% outside. :-(
I've read the minutes, and I'm really interested by 2 points :
First the questionable choice of trello
Why : if it seems to have worked for osc13, but there's still interesting todo tickets not yet finished. We can't say osc14 was perfect (we all known that) and the use of trello hadn't helped in that objective.
If osc13 is still visible in trello, it sound strange that previous osc14 has disappear ...
Nop it is still there https://trello.com/b/C8IkyYJ8/osc14
Perhaps due to the fact that so many cards was still in the to-do columns? :-)
Again nop, just see the link
Secondly: The same team (hurrah) propose to help, but!
I've not seen (shall I re-read between the lines) any differences from last year like people asking questions to our new hosts about how they want to run it, organize it. We have choose Robin and Hans as host due to their previous competencies in organizing such events. Shouldn't we start by listening what they can offer, with their differences and creativity first.
It look like from the minutes, there's a bunch of experts around that knows everything, but they have failed to make osc14 the event we would like to have.
Let me summarize since if we start talking with the 'between lines' way this will become a very long tiring flaming thread. 1)oSC14 was not in any way a failure, I honestly believe it and I also thought that this was you opinion too, not even in numbers since oSC12 had less community people and we all now that last year was not the greatest year of the openSUSE Project for many reason and that was reflected partly on oSC14. 2)Hans(I speak only for Hans since we both know him very well) is very experienced and thinking that me and Stella(since it is clear to all from who 'experts' you are talking about) can someway manipulate him on how to make things is at least a joke. 3) Me and Stella have no problem in leaving the tasks we took if someone else can take over. 4) Trello is a great tool for so many reason and many organizations actually use it on organizing things and it leaves feedback for the people who will organize the next oSC, it was firstly used in oSC13 but it was actually an idea that if I remember correctly Henne brought to the table.
ALL of the above are actual facts. I could continue with some other facts but here is not our playground where we can play 'flamewars' . Community is over everything and if we continue that it will only hurt community. I might as you often say 'will speak even when I die' but as a final fact I say that I am actually dedicating my personal time on actually getting stuff done(as you do in other sections of the Project), if you think you can do better please do but untill you do I think I(and Stella and anyone else contributing) deserves some respect. Have a nice day Kostas
I personally don't want to see community or related people to invest so much energy and time (beside our sponsors money) for less than 100 people at the conference.
So I'm really interested by "What's the new strategy, to succeed this year?"
Bruno Friedmann Ioda-Net Sàrl www.ioda-net.ch
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