On 24/09/2014 08:53, Kostas Koudaras wrote:
1)oSC14 was not in any way a failure, I honestly believe it and I also thought that this was you opinion too, not even in numbers since oSC12 had less community people and we all now that last year was not the greatest year of the openSUSE Project for many reason and that was reflected partly on oSC14.
Hi Kosta,
you and me did have a great talk about this at Dubvrovnik, and for the first time we know each other, we did not have the same point of vue ... so perhaps an opportunity ;-)
Small story : recently I met a woman, who organised a week-end. As the designer did the poster for FREE, she was not able to say : hey, this is not the result I was waiting for (= to clearly see the date-time and name of the known dancer).
So what ? Because the designer did that for free, this woman should say : "great result" all the time ?
(between zero and perfection, any human or community can evolve by admitting a few limits - I'm sure you Kosta agree with this)
First point : I agree on respecting any contributors who give time and energy for openSource and openSUSE,
Second point : I do not agree to acclaim OSC14 as a success
concrete facts ? Of course the number of participants (OSC14) :is it uncorrect that organizers did annouced around 400 ppl and finally we were around 70 (see the picture) ??? (we had plenty of beers and food at the party, that's for sure)
https://news.opensuse.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/04/CSC_0177.jpg
(if you get out the volonteers and the talkers ... how much visitors did we get ? users ? students ? enterprises ? contributors ?)
Then the CFP - call for Paper team (and sorry if you and Robert are concerned), but I would say : better stop OSC each year (and keep it great every 2-3 years) than announcing the talks less than 2 weeks before the date. If nobody have the time to do it correctly, then better stop than doing late (=personal point of vue)
(I did advert the OSC14 at the FOSDEM, and some ppl did trust and apply ... and they did not get an answer ... to decide for the plane reservation! this is not possible)
This is 2 small feed back ! (not free abstract critic)
At one moment, it's intelligent to stop believing : all is great ! As the only way to evolve would be to recognise a few limits.
"when do do what we always did, we'll not go further than where we have been?"
Nobody (not me, not you ...) hope for openSUSE community an "HAS BEEN"(*)
so it just start with a : how we do better than the past years (instead of as last year) ?
(*)even if most of geekos hope to get an OSC16 at Nürberg ...why not
Third point : On 24/09/2014 08:53, Kostas Koudaras wrote:
- Me and Stella have no problem in leaving the tasks we took if
someone else can take over.
it is not a qestion of you+stella or 2 others "instead" ... not either all or nothing ...
but it would be great to think how the openSUSE community and organizers include and welcome new contributors, help them to get involved ! listen to their suggestions, ideas etc. (that was the main Bruno mail key).
Again : this is another CONCRETE feed back (and opening eyes on other openCommunity) on the "HOW we welcome new contributors and helpers".
Fourth & last point : a suggestion to Hans & Robin & team for OSC15
according to me, the priority (-5) would be to find quality talkers (quality technic or/and charism) who accept to come to the Hague ... and if we announced that early enought, perhaps we get more ppl at OSC15.
OK this is a suggestion for now (as we already do a lot all the time for openSource and openSUSE)
Conclusion : I hope we'll see very soon the "back of FUN" (because when fun is here, a lot of ppl join to DO things)-
If anybody see the FUN, could you ask him to come back to openSUSE ? thanks ;-)
Have a great day Françoise