Birger Kollstrand a écrit :

* I have a debian mini CD, but aptitude is not that handy. I have to know what package I want and then apt-get install do a tremendous work. Yet the mini cd do not recognise the network cards I have, so the install fails... even after install with the cd1, I still have problem to reconfigure any service (you have to know any part of debian to be able to make this at hand - what are the init levels in debian?)

I ave tried setting up a media server wiht different linux solutions. It's not easy.

I have tried syncing my phone with linux applications, not the easiest task.

As far as I know openSUSE oes not even have a selected DLNA/UpnP

User centric applications.

On Fri, Jan 16, 2009 at 4:41 AM, Birger Kollstrand <birger.kollstrand(a)googlemail.com> wrote: I'm Interested in responses to this too. With every person I've shown openSUSE to they've had the same issues: problems understanding/navigating YaST and how it fits in with traditional tools. And how to find, install and update software. We don't even need more usability testing, we just need fixes. But on account of I have done nothing to help with this, I'll get off my soapbox. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help(a)opensuse.org

I would really like to know what went on with some of the changes in 11.1. Since 10.1 I was able to install my printer with ease of the printer configs but now it recognized my scanner but not the printer and they are both Canon MP530's all in one. On previous versions I was able to force in use of the MP500 printer driver on the OpenSUSE GUI but now all I get is errors and I cannot get pass the GUI. Well guess it is back to manual configs again but my complaint is why change something that worked before and now does not? I do not understand when they do things like this and the current printer configs are what I call a new users nightmare. Before one could click the model and look for the driver but now unless the user knows where it is he has to browse. How many new users would even know where to browse in the files? When I did find the MP500 driver in the cups-gutenprint folder the OpenSUSE program would not let me install it telling me it is the wrong driver when in fact it is not. I could not even force install it because OpenSUSE would not allow this. Now this would turn off a new user at the get go and that if he/she was able to get this far. Why the developers made a easy to use GUIand make it into something difficult is beyond me. This is another type of "well the user should be a geek and understand what to do". On Thu, Jan 15, 2009 at 9:40 PM, Eric Springer <erikina(a)gmail.com> wrote: > On Fri, Jan 16, 2009 at 4:41 AM, Birger Kollstrand > <birger.kollstrand(a)googlemail.com> wrote: >> Hi, >> >> I tried my luck on the factory list with asking about the plans, goals >> and dreams :-) for the comming releases. Seen from Novell´s point of >> view. >> >> Not much came of that unfortunately. >> >> What I´m looking for is much more than which upgrade upgraded desktop >> environment is going in. >> >> What use cases does Novell want to reach? What should the user be able >> to do with SUSE? >> >> - Portability/Laptop/Nettbooks and so on >> - Connectivity of devices >> - Support for syncronizing devices >> - Home server setup, mediaserver, DNLA, UpnP, file , print and so on. >> >> All the nice stuff that needs to be made with KDE this or that and >> Gnome what ever. >> >> It would be really good if Novell can take a user stand and not a >> developer stand in the comming project. And with user , I´m thinking >> of the everyday user that does not even know what Linux is. >> >> The most important thing is not which desktop environment version is >> available, but what an everyday user can do with it. >> >> So pleeeeease somebody, enlighten me :-) Is there any strategy available? >> >> Kind regards, >> >> Birger >> > > I'm Interested in responses to this too. With every person I've shown > openSUSE to they've had the same issues: problems > understanding/navigating YaST and how it fits in with traditional > tools. And how to find, install and update software. We don't even > need more usability testing, we just need fixes. But on account of I > have done nothing to help with this, I'll get off my soapbox. > -- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org > For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help(a)opensuse.org

Birger Kollstrand wrote: There is no such thing as Novell's point of view. Thats why you have a hard time getting that answer. Novell is a Company and asking about specifics like that is like asking about the hair color of Novell. What you can get is the plans, goals and dreams of the individual People (including people from Novell) working on this Project formulated and consolidated in the Projects plans[0], goals[1] and dreams[2]. In short: You are asking for something that does not exists :) [0] http://en.opensuse.org/Roadmap [1] http://en.opensuse.org/Product_Highlights [2] http://en.opensuse.org/Guiding_Principles#We_want_to..._2

I am a developer and i can tell you that this is really not true. What makes you say that?

There is an overwhelming desire to create different implementations of the same problem.

File systems en mass,

packaging formats,

package managers (How many are supported/used in SUSE?)

2009/1/16 Cristian Rodríguez <crrodriguez(a)suse.de>de>: And a multitude that servs the same. Ext3, Ext4, JFS , ZFS, btrfs, Reiser3/4,

and tar packaged files.

should have said packaging SW for linux. If a user finds a package, does it fit his distro?

You say it like 10 years flying in airliners would make a pilot of you... --

2009/1/16 Andreas Jaeger <aj(a)suse.de>de>: Actually I find the server part the best. And that part is really good from my point of view. The desktop I find to much focused on the latest KDE version or the latest Gnome version. To do everything at the same time is not possible with high quality. Choices must be made just as the choice to drop KDE 3.5 down the line is sensible. :-) as always. : Yes. I think it`s always a good idea to build brick by brick. Choose a strategy for focus areas per release. Plan them for future attention and loving :-)

* easier way to follow factory: Currently the factory distribution changes quite heavily and it's difficult to follow it since many packages need to be updated every time - and each package needs to be downloaded completely. So, we have to check how to reduce the number of packages to download and how to make them smaller (relevant features are #303532 and #305634),

If you spend some time, trying to field Installation questions, from new users, it becomes obvious that error notifications deemed in Bugzilla "cosmetic" erode confidence.  Large numbers of known bugs in heavily used systems, are then hit over and over.  The Internal developments are often let down by useability nits, sometimes just labelling of buttons, or font sizes, which the open process ought to benefit from early feedback, without expensive "focus group" testing.

On Fri, 16 Jan 2009, Rob OpenSuSE wrote: Agreed. SLE and ISV projects don't sound very much like a key focus we ought to have here in the openSUSE context. I suggest to really focus on openSUSE.

I really don't think that this is a problem at all. The contrary is true imho. This is what separates us from most of the other distros out there. You can _seriously_ use the distro on the desktop, the server, the laptop and use it for all kinds of use-cases without hacking around too much.

> But 3 is IMO let down at present, by releasing prematurely, and long > term benefit decisions with short term costs

I'll claim that a large part of the problem is testing too late focus on fixing things too late in the cycle.