19 Jan
2009
19 Jan
'09
11:22
2009/1/19 Gerald Pfeifer <gp(a)novell.com>om>:
On Fri, 16 Jan 2009, Rob OpenSuSE wrote:
The project does have to be useful to it's main sponsors, to disregard
their interests is self defeating.
Without that, why does openSUSE putt changes into the release that are
known to break things in short/medium term?
Stuff like PulseAudio breaking Flash & Skype, and enabling pata_*
experimental libata IDE drivers cause things to break on installs, but
some long term benefit is expected. Without widening the user base,
progress would be slower.
However category 2 is described, the point is there's some conflict
with 3, the "Just Works" trying Linux out, who are mainly Desktop
users.
Whilst I know those quick categories are imperfect, and imprecise,
there are aims that draw the poject in different directions. Being
General Purpose is a strength, as expressed well:
2009/1/19 Henne Vogelsang <hvogel(a)opensuse.org>rg>:
Perhaps it's useful to think of 3 pillars of
user base :
1 - distributing and stabilising, upstream software, developing
inhouse projects
Agreed.
2 - stabilisation and development towards
SLE (including ISV projects)
SLE and ISV projects don't sound very much like a key focus we ought to
have here in the openSUSE context. I suggest to really focus on openSUSE. I really don't think that this is a problem at
all. The contrary is true
imho. This is what separates us from most of the other distros out
there. You can _seriously_ use the distro on the desktop, the server,
the laptop and use it for all kinds of use-cases without hacking around
too much.
> But 3 is IMO let down at present, by releasing
prematurely, and long
> term benefit decisions with short term costs
I'll claim that a large part of the problem is
testing too late focus
on fixing things too late in the cycle.
How can that be changed?
To me I'd like to be able to really use daily something in permanent
beta mode. Downloading a test release, then installing, but not doing
the main daily stuff on that box, tends to reduce what I can
realistically use, to the things that are quick to set up and test.
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