On 12/29/20 2:20 AM, Vinzenz Vietzke wrote:
Am 28.12.20 um 16:16 schrieb Stefan Seyfried:
Yes, we all should do something to stop the list from going (really) off-topic on a regular base, where everyone can do its share e.g. by just ignoring certain people, but declaring that almost everything that's discussed on the list is off-topic is not a solution IMVHO.
With respect to the factory list, this wasn't the specific issue we were trying to address (unlike other lists), it was the number of new posts being created, everyone believes the issue affecting them is a major issue. The number of these posts we get now is significantly less then what it was 3 years back when we started cracking down on it.
At the time the board chose to see how the changes we made played out before creating further lists, at this point there seems to potentially be demand for a "Tumbleweed" specific list but whether there is demand for such a list if not everyone on the "development/factory" list are subscribed is probably worth figuring out.
I don't think fragmenting the community with more lists is going to help.
This, even more.
The problem is not in the number of mailing lists but in a handful of threads going either drastically off-topic or having a very hostile tone. Or even both.
Again this is a problem now but was not the main problem that lead to the change in the factory list.
Unless there are very specific topics, like e.g. Xfce or Translations, I'd strongly refrain from going back and forth every few years with the number of mailing lists. This does not solve any of the mentioned problems.
I'd argue that here we do have 2 very specific topics that have some overlap in interested parties. The first is "Development of openSUSE based distro's", Whether it be Tumbleweed, Leap, Micro OS or SLE, See threads like "Multi-spec packages only need a single changes file now" or "Python 3 parallel install". The other is to alert tumbleweed users to potential issues they may face during an update etc. Currently as a project we strongly recommend that anyone doing any development on Tumbleweed / Leap / SLE etc is subscribed to the factory list and expect that they are up to date with any changes that are posted. The factory list should be treated as openSUSE's "Development" list its just because factory has always meant development in openSUSE a number of people didn't want to change the lists name. Out of respect for all the people who need to be subscribed to this lists time we should be keeping discussions on the factory list to development discussions and announcements etc. A previous board made the decision that we didn't need a place to discuss tumbleweed related issues at least initially but it seems clear that some people would like such a place for this discussion to exist and I agree that, that is reasonable. But the primary development list of the community is not a good place for that discussion as it leads to developers needing to filter out 90% of emails that aren't important to them to find the 5-10% that are. Which makes the solution either a different list or no list, (or no longer expect developers to be subscribed to the development list, which a previous board put down as unacceptable.) -- Simon Lees (Simotek) http://simotek.net Emergency Update Team keybase.io/simotek SUSE Linux Adelaide Australia, UTC+10:30 GPG Fingerprint: 5B87 DB9D 88DC F606 E489 CEC5 0922 C246 02F0 014B