On Fri, 04 Dec 2020 20:51:24 +0100, Per Jessen wrote:
Jim Henderson wrote:
On Wed, 02 Dec 2020 11:40:45 -0500, Patrick Shanahan wrote:
in fewer/other words, no one can achieve socially acceptable behavour. someone will *always* be offended and/or object.
The point is to learn from when offense is given (and to learn when offense isn't intended, just as much).
If you say something and someone tells you "that's offensive to me because ...." - the civil thing to do (and I would say 'correct') is to say "I'm sorry, I didn't mean to cause offense - this is what I meant" and then learn from it and don't do it again.
What's so hard about being considerate of other people? What's so hard about being kind?
Cultures. We all have them, some of us more than one, but they differ.
They differ, but I rarely see cultures where being actively offensive to people is considered acceptable normal behavior. I see cultures where being direct is considered kind, but there's a pretty wide gap between being direct and being offensive - and it is possible to be direct without being offensive.
I teach my son not to use 'WTF' in text because I consider it to be nekulturny, but the F-word is not generally considered offensive in German-speaking Switzerland.
The issue is perhaps how often people actually care or understand to say "that's offensive to me because ...."
For those who are in marginalized communities and groups, having to teach the 101-level "here's why you're being offensive" gets old. Especially in marginalized communities who have actively made a lot of noise about why certain behaviors are generally considered offensive. -- Jim Henderson Please keep on-topic replies on the list so everyone benefits