On Thu, 2020-04-23 at 11:42 -0700, PGNet Dev wrote:
On 4/23/20 11:18 AM, James Mason wrote:
get ANY of the updated versions supported on SLE is an
uphill battle, at best.
While getting a new version in place would be a major challenge,
because of the promise of compatiblity, getting problems fixed
shouldn't be any more difficult than filing a bugzilla entry, on
SLE product, explaining the bug, and being willing to supply
information upon request.
*Personally*, I absolutely agree with the *should* be. That hasn't
been the experience -- for Base:System core issues, like this systemd
'challenge' as one example.
And, for me, it's NOT SLE *or* Leap. Here they're one, necessarily-
intertwined ecosystem; chosen *because* of their similarities &
shared stability & strengths, as well as the productive 'tension' due
to their somewhat-independence.
Virtually ALL dev & sysdamin here -- where Suse* is involved -- has
been on openSUSE/Leap. The 'promise' of the 'closeness' between the
two projects has, in theory, been that, in large part, fixed for
significant bugs'/brokenness filed against one find their way to the
Most frequently, thought not exclusively, here, bugs get filed
against openSUSE -- as they're left in the open, engage many of the
same persons, etc etc
You might want to see annoucement regarding making SUSE Bugzilla Public
Do note that the aforementioned "... we can't afford to backport a
feature each time an openSUSE user is missing one ..." non-response
came from @suse *staff*.
(and, yes, this speaks to many of the same comments folks have been
making in the recent/ongoing 'Jump' discussions about 'closeness'
These "we don't wanna" issues re: Core have been going on for years,
with increasing concern & effect, as evidenced for us by our large
migrations to other platforms. The topics have been raised though
$channels, at Summits & Conferences, ... and even by 'just me' on the
The only thing that's changed currently from my perspective is that
-- finally -- I've bumped into an issue (this systemd biz) that I
can't (more or less) trivially OBS-build my way out of. AND, that
15.2/sp2 have, apparently, decided to stick with the old/decrepit
As a hobby, there's still runway left (?) for being stubborn.
But for business, it's a dealbreaker. The Nth time you're refused,
ignored, etc & told to 'stop whining', 'use something else', 'do
yourself' etc ... you mitigate cost & risk, and just _do_.
Release Manager openSUSE Leap
SUSE Software Solutions Germany GmbH
(HRB 36809, AG Nürnberg)
Managing Director: Felix Imendörffer