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On Aug 3, 2009, at 5:19 PM, Charles Kerr firstname.lastname@example.org wrote:
This is my first post to -project, so before I dive in, a quick introduction: I wrote and maintain the Qt /and/ GTK+ versions of Transmission, and switch Dekstops every few weeks. I sympathise with both sides -- as both a user and a developer -- and have been reading this thread with interest.
I think two unchecked radiobuttons are both fair, defensible ideas. I'm sure everyone can see why GNOME people would prefer GNOME to go first. I'm sure everyone can see why KDE people would prefer KDE to go first. Jean's Belgian solution seems like a great compromise suggestion to me. Some GNOME users' (such as Jim's) concession saying "put KDE at the top" seems like an earnest attempt to keep the peace, and to keep balance.
Lubos and a couple of others keep slapping down those suggestions based on reasoning that seems shaky to me. The argument is that users don't have to choose bash vs zsh, or emacs vs vim, and so on; therefore, making users choose between KDE and GNOME is inherently biased to GNOME. But that's apples and oranges -- choosing a Desktop also chooses a raft of default applications, such as (say) KTorrent or Monsoon. That's a *huge* choice compared to a shell or MUA. They're not even in the same ballpark.
First off, welcome Charles! I agree, as a GNOME user who doesn't want to see a desktop selected by default, your comments are spot on.
I don't, and I think most people here don't care which desktop is first. In fact, the current setup was an attempt to make the selection fair (G before K, so GNOME before KDE). This was fair to me - after all, I work in politics, and at least in the area I live in I've never seen a ballot where the candidates weren't listed in alphebetic order. I don't think anyone accuses openSUSE of supporting GNOME because it's on top, just as no one I know accused the board of elections of supporting John McCain because his name was above Barack Obama's on the ballot. If someone has a problem with that reasoning, they should go talk to the alphabet.
And on your second point, thanks for bringing up that when we choose a desktop, you're not just choosing a UI for selecting applications. You're choosing a suite of apps that manage your computing life. The main reason I use GNOME is because of Banshee, F-Spot, Tomboy, Beagle, and other apps that are IMHO better than what you get on any other OS, including Win7 or OS X. Yes, I could install and run those in KDE, but then they don't look right or integrate as well with the desktop. So this is a bigger decision than what email program you want to use, this is basically what type of complete experiance do you want from openSUSE, the one GNOME gives you or the one KDE gives you? -- Kevin "Yeaux" Dupuy openSUSE Project Member