On wto, cze 18, 2019 at 1:04 AM, Vinzenz Vietzke
Hi,
# First sight
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I did start doing some work towards getting first mockups of website going, but focus more on the `openSUSE` than distributions, leaving the marketing of distros to software-o-o.
What happened to them?
What happened was that I couldn't land on something that makes me 100% happy, I should share some more ideas and general layout somewhere sometime. In the end what caused the stop of any additional progress in January was my ambition to make the website too perfect, which cased me enough anxiety that I stopped before really starting to get results that would be good enough for a starting point, sorry :/
I do believe this is the right direction, because if we wanted to sell openSUSE right on the main site, we would not be able to mention anything outside of it in enough detail. Distributions are massive in terms of what we should actually mention about them, so software-o-o could serve the purposes of showcasing the distributions, installation process, go into detail about differences between Leap and Tumbleweed. It would also be nice to have a dns rule for the distribution part of the site instead of software-o-o/distributions, maybe something like get.openSUSE.org, so it's shorter and easier to type by anybody that wants to share the distros (but not the entire project) with other people ;)
The thing is: opensuse.org is /the/ starting point for everyone with either little or no knowledge of openSUSE at all. Going to a car store you don't want to be forced to choose your desired type of car even befor someone says hello to you. You want to get an overview: what do they have, what price ranges areavailable, is the sales man friendly etc. Basic stuff. Going into detail is a second step and needs to be guided.
Yeah, it's not like I would totally remove distributions from there, but the choice between Tumbleweed and Leap should be given on software-o-o, not on the main page, because there is no way we can explain the difference in a paragraph of text hidden under an annoying animation. The primary view, the first one you see on the page should be about the distributions, with a single link to software-o-o, so we can have a space for a solid explanation of similarities, differences, software etc.
# Getting information
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Absolutely, animations aren't just a nice eye candy there, they function very often as a roadblock between person and information, which is not acceptable, I would be much more in favour of splitting some stuff into subpages just to get into enough detail about everything too.
Yes, I'd favour that as well. A menu is already there so it would be easy and quick to implement.
# Consolidate information
## News
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3. lizards.opensuse.org […] Dead basically, I am still waiting for provo to get the stuff off there, it tends to be a long process (also YaST team needs blog on our infra, which is being worked on).
Any idea what takes them so long? Is there a point we could help? Don't get me wrong: we're all volunteers, but taking a website _offline_ is nothing that should take weeks (?) to get done. And telling YaST team to email their blog posts to Doug instead as well is nothing to be causing severe trouble.
Yeah, I think we all wonder what takes Provo that long most of the time, but I guess as any sysadmin office, they are busy doing their own stuff and not ours ;) It is more than taking it offline, we need a full copy of public_html from wordpress to publish it as archive (and to github repo that already exists for this very purpose, but is very much outdated). YaST Sprints are rather technical in most cases, not the best fit for news-o-o tbh. And YaST does have its blog, but it's burried, and https://yast.opensuse.org is missing a valid ssl certificate. Minor issues, the plan is to host YaST blog on static server (which I was supposed to do a few months ago, but never got around to), news-o-o would be hosted the same way.
## Website vs. Wiki
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I believe the biggest mistake was separating contents between openSUSE and SDB namespaces, when you are looking for software, you are most likely also looking for tutorials on how to install and use said software anyway. There is no particular reason why this needs to be in SDB articles in most cases.
Yes! A documentation separated into information and documentation is... strange somehow. Is there a way to revert that somehow?
A lot of manual work...
The contributions side of things is being worked on by Imad Aldoj, with a dedicated website for helping newcomers with contributions.
Yes, I talked to him as well. Some special site is a great thing for external marketing and helping people to get on board. Looking at https://whatcanidoforlibreoffice.org or as you mentioned the Fedora equivalent is quite what we should get.
Yet there needs to be way more information on opensuse.org. We can't just point people to some other website.
Quite obviously, but I would rather explain the process of how we get things done before mentioning how to contribute, because it's easier to get into the process if you know what's up overall. LCP [Stasiek] https://lcp.world -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, email: opensuse-project+owner@opensuse.org