Klaas Freitag - 12:15 10.06.15 wrote:
On 10.06.2015 10:04, Michal Hrusecky wrote:
I can not believe that we're really discussing "automatic monitoring of activity". The day on that becomes active will be my last in openSUSE. No, we do not wanna do that. We do not want to have a secret service.
Well, there is quite some difference between monitoring I'm proposing and secret service. First of all, we don't need to store most of the data as they are easily accessible. Secondly, all those data are publicly available. And the use is not to evaluate "quality", but to simply test whether there is any activity at all. So we wouldn't bother active people. Michal, I know that you are not the guy who wants to set up a secret service above us, no question.
The fact that the data is available publicly does not change anything in the discussion if openSUSE should use it for any decision making.
Now I am about to say: Well, if you're only wanna see if a user has sent a mail to a oo mailinglist its not monitoring of course. But is that still useful if you don't do it right?
Example: You know, I do not send emails to the list, but my contribution is to provide Cornelius with cold beer which allows him to send elaborated emails to this list (example!) - you would remove me... is that good? I will complain "I got removed but I am active!" and immediately people will come up with proposals how to enhance that: Also count empty bottles...
With my proposal we would send you the mail :-) And you wouldn't need to explain yourself. You just click on hey, I'm still interested.
Not working. The more I think about that, the more I conclude for me that simply asking the people if they still want to be openSUSE members once a year or before every voting would serve us best.
Yep, thats what I start from. I just wanted to have a default action - timer for people that do not respond - for example ended in witness protection or in some other way lost access to their account. And on top of that I didn't wanted bother people that are obviously active and we can easily automate some simple check for. So in your example, we wouldn't ask Cornelius to click on the link, just to you. So people like coolo will never recieve mail after just releasing new openSUSE asking him whether he is still interested.
regards, Klaas
Monitoring doesn't need to be perfect. If it fails, we will bother few more members with mails whether they are still around. And we can start with implementing the easy parts.
Personally, I would be more concerned about measuring voting activity as votes are not public and thus I would consider measuring who voted as kinda privacy invasion.
Apart from that membership is not just about voting, but also about getting nice e-mail address and irc cloak, which was actually main motivation for me to apply.
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