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Subject: Re: [opensuse-project] Can we support for-profit organizations
to make money? (Was: Ubuntu One Music Store)
Date: Mon, 01 Mar 2010 20:44:34 +1100
From: Basil Chupin <blchupin(a)iinet.net.au>
On 01/03/10 19:36, Wolfgang Rosenauer wrote:
On 03/01/2010 09:16 AM, Basil Chupin wrote:
In which country is openSUSE registered as a
AFAIK work on this is on its way. The board is evaluating the options.
"Work on this is on its way"? Surely all this would have been
Are you suggesting that the opensuse.org
thing....falls short of legal
requirements (in any country) to be termed a not-for-profit organisation
I cannot answer legal questions but not everything needs to be an
official organisation, does it?
Perhaps you may not know the answer to this but someone in the Novell
legal department sure knows the answer, rest assured.
In any case,
what is the legal basis (in whatever country) for having
The bottom line is: if someone were to sue openSUSE for whatever reason,
who would they be suing in a court of law? Novell or some nebulus entity
called "the board" created by.....[aha, the "community", right!]?
I don't see opensuse.org
as an institution which can be sued right now
because it's lacking a legal status but again IANAL.
The unfortunate part of all this is that I have not yet come across
anyone (except one person in private messages) who has bothered to
question the whole setup and has come to then ask: who *CAN *be sued if
someone wants to sue openSUSE.org
or "the Board"?
I have asked, in another opensuse mail list I think but I cannot
remember, who is actually in charge of opensuse, who administers it, who
is responsible for decisions about it - but did not get an answer except
for the usual gooblydook, and which I decided not to pursue further.
People are continuing to mime the words, "It's a community project".
WHAT community? WHAT is the legal entity which represents this "community"?
from the fact that all board members - except, perhaps, one
- are employees of Novell, there is also the statement that the
chairperson of the "board" is always appointed by Novell.
The current board http://en.opensuse.org/Board
has three Novell
employees and three non-Novell members.
Not sure where you got other information.
From what Henne provided in his response-
which contains the link to-
As this is the same site I got the other information from I'm wondering
what you were looking at because what you say is simply wrong.
I don't think so.
Examine the list of Board members listed there as Board members.
Did you not see the specific reference that Novell appoints the
chairperson of that board - or am I also mistaken about that?
BTW, I am not arguing with, or contradicting, you, or anyone else who
may be responding to this thread. I am simply pointing out what I think
are relevant matters about the ownership of openSUSE, which many people
appear not to accept and then argue that Novell does not own openSUSE
but that some mythical "community" actually owns openSUSE.
People in the "community" *CONTRIBUTE* to the development of openSUSE -
which is then used as input into SUSE ENTERPRISE - but openSUSE, and
SUSE Enterprise, is owned by Novell and is responsible for it.
(Have you looked at which site you go to when you want to make a bug
report - a 'bugzilla' - about openSUSE?
She was only a whisky maker but I loved her still.
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