Well, my two cents, even if it is sort of OT. OpenSUSE success depends on other, a lot more important factors than pre-selecting a button or deciding the order of the DE's. OpenSUSE loses users not because we do not have a default. That is being simply blind: it means someone is not seeing what went on in these years, and brings the attention to the wrong problem. We lose users because, to make some example: - openSUSE released with alternating quality too often (read .1 release absolutely broken) - bugs are not timely fixed or not fixed at all, even when reports contain references to fixes sometime, and the responsibility of this is discharged on the community, for whatever reason ("Fix it" or "do it" is becoming an abused motto) - there are rough relationships between contributors and developers. See bugzilla, where stubborness is very abundant also on simple topics. - there are inconsistent statements and no focus. With this I mean focus on what openSUSE, as a whole, wants to be, and not focus on a particular environment. That discussion was started by you and Joe, and abandoned suddenly because "not so important". Another message of inconsistency, which just tires contributors and pushes them elsewhere. Whatever will be the decision about the desktop default, it will have little or no influence on openSUSE success, simply because the statements at its root are unfounded. One result was already obtained though: it showed how divided this community is, and on a topic someone gave for dead, as it should be, long ago. Best, A. Il giorno mar, 04/08/2009 alle 15.42 +0200, Andreas Jaeger ha scritto:
But this road does not bring us anything - let's get back to make openSUSE successfull!
Andreas
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