On 1/23/19 2:13 PM, Carlos E.R. wrote:
Well, years ago this did not happen. YaST kept some kind of list of what was removed and respected it. The feature was removed and has not come back.
Still happens. Has happened to me in the last 12 months. Actually, no, scratch that, has happened to me _this year_. Examples: * I hate the "client-side decoration" of modern GNOME 3 apps. Tumbleweed with Xfce includes several: Evince, for example. I remove them and replace them with Mint XApps, such as in this case XReader, which has a proper title bar, menu bar and toolbar. Tumbleweed sees this, goes "oi! That's part of the metapackage!" and puts it straight back next ``zypper dup''. This is _infuriating_. I found I had to mark packages as ``taboo'' to prevent it. This year's example: I can't get the nVidia drivers in the repos to work. They leave me with no X at all. (On both Tumbleweed and Leap 15.) I have only got my card to work with NVidia drivers downloaded from their website. Just after new year, I got a kernel update. So Yast "helpfully" reinstalled nvidia-gfxG05-kmp-default and my graphics stopped working completely.
The website tool thing at https://software.opensuse.org is a bit cumbersome and disorienting
That's true. A recent update destroyed its utility. This has been discussed on the list already.
I don't understand the complain about "buggy", although they may be using a different desktop than I do.
I can't speak for anyone else, but I personally have experienced: * clean install, no graphics drivers working, just fallback VGA. Installing drivers manually didn't work. For some reason the firmware package wasn't installed but that took me _hours_ to find. * clean install, no networking -- didn't support an Ethernet adaptor that worked on Ubuntu, Fedora, and TrueOS in that particular round of testing Attempting to use a "one click install" failed because you can't download the "one click install" package on another machine and move it across. With no networking this was the only option I had. * on Tumbleweed regular instances where ``zypper dup'' warns me that it's going to "upgrade" packages to older versions. I think this is due to vendors and different repos, but since everyone sets everything to priority 99, that just seems to be life. * ``zypper dup'' easily gets into cycles where it can't install something because of dependency problems. * YaST doesn't let you select multiple items to uninstall, so you get a long, sometimes VERY long, cycle of uninstall package 1, get error, say do it anyway, do it, select package 2, repeat, select package 3, repeat... etc. Synaptic is, I am sorry to say, _considerably_ better for multipackage handling. In general I prefer APT; I moved _to_ Ubuntu _from_ SUSE Pro, with which I was far more familiar at the time, and although it took me some time to adapt, APT still feels far more mature to me. When I left the SUSE world, Zypper didn't exist yet.
Didn't see the expert mode partitioner?
It's not obvious.
And of course, they write OpenSUSE, or SUSE, or Open Suse, or OpenSuse...
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