On śro, 23 sty, 2019 at 2:13 PM, Carlos E.R. <robin.listas(a)gmx.es>
On 23/01/2019 13.38, hellcp(a)opensuse.org wrote:
On śro, 23 sty, 2019 at 1:17 PM, Felix Miata <> wrote:
I think instead of "defending" Tumbleweed, we should take out our
notepads and take notes what causes issues for people.
I actually consider OpenSuse to be the worst OS I've ever used in my
life. I hate it more than I hate MacOS or WindowsME.
edit: for those who wonder why - I hate that with OpenSuse you can
uninstall software, then the next time you do a zypper dup, it
REINSTALLS all the software you uninstalled for you!! I hate it. With
Well, years ago this did not happen. YaST kept some kind of list of
was removed and respected it. The feature was removed and has not
I've been saying that zypp should inherit some features from dnf for
quite some time, one of them is database, which tracks what I would
call "intention". Intention would allow to specify for every
installed package who installed or removed it, which would allow for
packages in'd/rm'd for purpose by user to be kept in'd/rm'd even
if solver found it to be suggested by another package (pattern for
example). The rest of packages would be marked as autoselected (since
they were either a dep of another package or installed during
I always found it to be bloated, slow, and buggy.
(I fear he may be right re bloat. With the same basic workload, I see
Leap using more memory than 13.1)
Also one of my suggestions was to decouple applications in patterns
from base DEs, so people can get their chosen applications later.
Usually people mentioning bloat it's amount of installed applications
they will never use and not necessairly high ram usage (it's Linux,
not Windows, it's still rather low).
Removing anything from the pattern is a pain, which is the subject to
previous mentioned suggestion, but it wouldn't hurt to have applications
not a part of that base pattern, but installed as part of DE's desktop
selection. Current dependencies in the patterns are also kind of a pain,
maybe it would be better to not make patterns depend on each other,
instead install patterns that we want to have installed by default with
the help of desktop selection.
I will look into that, but that's again an openQA nightmare to be had :P
OpenSuse KDE is simply significantly slower than pretty much any other
KDE distro. Even Fedora runs rings around it, and Fedora definitely
isn't the fastest in the world.
I tried out Leap (15, I think?) on my laptop. This usually requires a
couple of kernel modules to get everything running properly. The
tool thing at https://software.opensuse.org
is a bit cumbersome and
disorienting, and the whole experience of visiting
to hunt for a
module download link wasn't something I enjoyed. Maybe I'm just
spoiled by distributions that package the things I need.
I don't understand what he is doing.
Working on improving UX of both metapackage handler and software-o-o,
I know what's the issue they are facing, it's annoying and unnecessary
the way it's done currently, but I'm working on it.
There's a lot that I like about Open Suse, but so far I have not been
tempted to install it as my main OS. The main things that put me off
that from a default install, it feels bloated, buggy and slow compared
to some other distros. While this may sound harsh, I would add that
thanks to the tremendous work of Linux developers, the bar is set very
high. I'm certainly not implying that Open Suse is anywhere near as
bloated, buggy or slow as Windows 10.
I don't understand the complain about "buggy", although they may be
using a different desktop than I do.
I found SUSE tumbleweed a bit over bloated, not enough manual choices
install time and also was a real dogs dinner of a mess to install --
also overwrote my boot partition on a Windows laptop. Centos at leasts
allows you to install to specific places and doesn't touch other
SSD's in your system.
Didn't see the expert mode partitioner?
Then, people ignore "basics":
edit: for those who wonder why - I hate that with OpenSuse you
can uninstall software, then the next time you do a zypper dup,
it REINSTALLS all the software you uninstalled for you!! I hate
it. With a passion.
Now that is "funny". I use tumbleweed and thus do several times a
"zypper dup". Never had this problem, but I seem to remember that you
can export your Software configuration (at least with YAST). I don't
know your machine's setup but you might want to delete or rename the
file which contains this software-list which (hypothetically at least)
reloads all those programs you don't want anymore.
Of course, no such file.
Related to first suggestion :P
And of course, they write OpenSUSE, or SUSE, or Open
There's no escaping that :P
Eh, I guess I'm working on all those compliants now ;)
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