On 2020/12/04 16:32, Stasiek Michalski wrote:
Am Fr, 4. Dez, 2020 um 4:02 P. M. schrieb L A Walsh
: On 2020/12/02 10:07, Carlos E. R. wrote:
On 02/12/2020 18.54, Maurizio Galli wrote:
Keep in mind that we have developers and packagers who may be involved with Discord watching this list.
I'm absolutely sure that it is a fine tool, I have no doubts about it.
--- Discord supports its name. I used it for 2-3 years by requirement in line with a game I was playing. It is an ideal environment to support personal _ir_responsibility and create multiple fiefdoms/cliques where each forum owner gets to decide on a regular basis what you are allowed to say and ensure that any "history" is edited and updated to reflect their view.
If you join one of their forums (called a 'server') the first thing you may note is you have no way to keep a record of what you wrote and what you were responding to, other than by making a screen shot of each page of conversation.
There is no logging option and forum owners can selectively delete content from any channel in their forum (server). I went through situations where agreements that were made, later were updated so original agreements disappeared, or were slanted to create a different view.
If you come to discord for the purpose of having archives of conversations from years back, you are probably using it wrong. Consider it a live conversation between people, you wouldn't just record every conversation you ever had on tape in real life (at least I hope not).
I have no issue with there being no written record of voice channels. But we are talking about planning sessions for runs that are to last over a period of a few months to a year or more. Links to diagrams of who is doing what and who is in what "run-group" (out of maybe 1-6 active run groups depending on group) were usually kept current. Some channels maintained 10-20 pins mixed into the conversation where FAQ's were addressed as questions came up in conversation, they'd bookmark some where they wanted to add the answer to the list of important items. The channels automatically "archive" postings going back years unless cleaned out -- so a conversation that occurred 3-4 weeks before, would be unlikely to be pruned. It's not just a chat client, its often billed as providing support for teams developing projects.
I make sure to add people I expect to want to communicate with after me or they leave the server as friends for that reason. === That's nice. As these were game clans, I was looking for family type clans for a long-term relation. Some of the clans had been around for 4-5 years since the game went live. Unfortunately, that also meant that they often would have core groups that originally met in real-life at work or school.
It's not like people can't just leave of their own volition, so it's always better to have reassurance you can message them later.
Since many were there before the game, they already had other communication methods in place. Those leaving a group usually would be going to a new group because of issues.
You can actually also disable receiving messages from non-friends even if you share a server, so it really depends on what the person wants to see in their DMs.
I saw that used, and that's fine. IF people don't want to talk to you, that's their issue. However, the bit of no communication from "unrelated"'s, is/was sold as a way to reduce fishing and malware attempts, so many set it up as a default. Since you are also running with these folks and wanting a more permanent group to run with, the idea that you'd suddenly lose contact with everyone seems a bit of a distant possibility. So often adding group members after you joined might be seen as the first step to poaching people away. The groups and people were competitive in the game.
So in the game I played, you had clans -- and nearly all clans required you to also sign up for their discord as it would be used for all clan activities. It actually comes across a bit odd if someone additionally sends a friend request because if you share a forum with them, it gives you no further communication options.
While it discord supplies the ability to coordinate people on different schedules, it's not like email where you have a record of what was sent to you or what you said.
--- Except that what you say _can_ be archived and kept as others wish to. It's the disparate treatment given out to 'in groups' vs. out with many of the children there playing games in game, like ignoring you when they organized group events.
Also lacking is a good search interface -- it has >> searching, but it really lacks flexibility.
I recommend the inbox in the top right of the screen, you can see all of mentions of you, which is handy.
That's the search box that lack flexibility. If what you are looking for didnt' mention you, and you don't remember who posted it, you can't even do wildcard searching for text.
I have never experienced the search lacking flexibility, it allows you to search by pretty much every piece of metadata in a message.
But not by the data itself. I usually remember what was "said" in a situation, but may know none of the metadata. Not being able to search through content is very limiting for those who remember what was said but maybe not who said it or when.
We used that for a few game nights in the past on the openSUSE server,
You are one of those that had a group before you came to your game. For established groups, it can be fine, but for people who've never been in such a group, it's easily abused. In one group, besides being thought to be under 13, due to a voice session with new SW, I found myself with a bunch of Christian-right guys who had recently graduated who often expressed elitist ideas about how the group should be run, and didn't want to hear other view. When a new dungeon came out, I was finally kicked for wanting to go check it out before they had a chance to see pros going through in a video so they could memorize the mech's first. They said I wass too pushy/ argumentative (because I didn't necessarily agree with their politics or want to participate in "griefing" others.
But the ability to edit history and posts, and the lack of any logging feature, as well as defaults that tend to make it easy to "shun" or "ghost" people you don't like anymore, make it a poor platform for doing anything' meaningful. Posts like this one composed of multiple paragraphs are considered a "wall of text", and the platform itself forces you to break apart longer posts into a series of 1.5-2K chunks. So it isn't really meant for anything other than fluff.
Well, it's an instant messenger, and this is a standard fare with instant messengers.
Since when to instant messengers support instructional videos you should watch? Pictures? Screenshots? Posted schedules with people parts in upcoming events.... It's very much like a forum -- but no permanent archive and one that can be selectively pruned. It's certainly not a forum or a mailing list, it's
used for instant communication instead of deliberate multi-paragraph letters.
That's why people would webdocs (pictures, movies, spreadsheets, diagrams.. etc? Also, it's very much non-instant except for the voice-channels when people did runs together. Voice is instant. Talking in-depth about tactics and how to improve isn't what I would call "chat".
It's not for everyone, I know plenty of people for whom even IRC is a wild concept to this day ;)
At least you can get a log of that. And those who liked it most were friends with their circle before they got on discord. You and they would have a different view of what is useful. -l