On 27/08/2018 02:47, Per Jessen wrote:
Simon Lees wrote:
On 26/08/2018 06:46, Bryan Lunduke wrote:
This is incorrect.
The openSUSE Board also makes budgetary decisions, endorsement decisions (and policies / plans), coordination with other organizations (and individuals), event planning, and even decisions of who will (or won't) be allowed to be members of openSUSE (or utilize openSUSE resources).
I'll only reply to this part because its slightly incorrect. The board has no say in who becomes an openSUSE member, this is done by a separate membership committee as to avoid a conflict of interest. Yes the board can in certain situations remove members but if the community doesn't think we handle this correctly they can also choose to remove us or not vote for us the next time.
Maybe there are a couple of issues here that the Board ought to address.
We don't vote for "us", we vote for "you", so a) how can we know if a board member handles <a situation correctly> if the vote/opinion of the individual is not public?
How do you know I handled a situation correctly if the board has chosen not to make any details of that situation public? Or if the only information we make public is that the board helped resolve a conflict between two people? The truth is you will never be able to see everything we do so you'll just have to judge us on the bits you see. Next time I run for election I'm more then happy to answer questions like "The board voted / decided on <insert issue here> what was your opinion and i'll answer the best I can but i'm not going to do this publicly after every vote on every issue, when I vote for something in a board meeting i get a chance to justify why I am voting a certain way simply putting my name down in the minutes as voting for or against X does not allow me to justify my reasoning. As I have said elsewhere if you ask me in private for my thoughts depending on how much I trust you I'll likely give you some form of reasoning. Even if it is I can't justify my decision without sharing private info that I can't or am not willing to share. If you ask about every single issue though i'll probably start to push you down my priority list though.
b) why is it that the Board can dismiss a member but not admit one? I.e. do we not need to avoid conflicts of interest when dismissing a member?
There is only limited cases where we can remove a member all of which involve unacceptable behavior on the members part and prior formal warnings. If the board could approve memberships we could theoretically come up with a conspiracy to give membership to a bunch of people who aren't active in the community but are willing to vote for us and prevent new people being elected. On the other hand if a member of the community is not behaving someone needs to have the ability to remove them which is one of the main roles given to the board when it was first created. -- Simon Lees (Simotek) http://simotek.net Emergency Update Team keybase.io/simotek SUSE Linux Adelaide Australia, UTC+10:30 GPG Fingerprint: 5B87 DB9D 88DC F606 E489 CEC5 0922 C246 02F0 014B