[opensuse-marketing] Revitalization of Weekly News Team
As you may know, Weekly News Team is organizing biweekly regular IRC meetings on the #opensuse-newsletter channel on Freenode alternate Saturdays 14:30 UTC. However, we couldn't start the meetings for the last several months, because only few people were on the channel at that time - most of the time there were only Sascha and me. :-( I know most of the team members are too busy with their own works to attend the meetings and the time for the meeting may not be so convenient for everyone. If members were willing to join the meeting but happened to be busy at that time, that's not the problem. What I am afraid of is, lack of interest. So, if you think you are a part of the Weekly News Team or want to be, I'd like to ask you: 1) Are you satisfied and having fun with editing/translating Weekly News? In case the answer is not "Yes", please tell us the reason, if you can point out. 2) Do you have any good ideas, proposals and opinions to make Weekly News much more interesting and attractive both for readers and editors/translators? "It would be interesting at least for me, if we ..." is considered a good answer. ;-) 3) Is the meeting time - 14:30 UTC alternate Saturdays - convenient for you? Over 1 year has passed since we fixed the time, it might be good chance to reconsider the better time for meetings. Or, if you think we had better discuss topics on another channel such as mailinglist, forum, Google Wave, etc., which is unaffected by time, please tell us your recommendation. There might be some opinions like "We should ..." and "We have to ...", but I would rather talk with you about how we can enjoy our work on Weekly News and provide more interesting and useful newsletters to our readers. To make things better and more interesting, we always need your help. ;-) Best, -- _/_/ Satoru Matsumoto - openSUSE Member - Japan _/_/ _/_/ Marketing/Weekly News/openFATE Screening Team _/_/ _/_/ mail: helios_reds_at_gmx.net / irc: HeliosReds _/_/ _/_/ http://blog.geeko.jp/author/heliosreds _/_/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+help@opensuse.org
In the case of the Spanish team (I have 1 translator and probably another 1 will join), we're living in America, so our times zones are between UTC -8 and UTC -4, so for us 14:30 UTC is early, specially because is Saturday After Party, we're Latinos after all, probably a later hour will be best, here in Mexico 14:30UTC is 8:30am (UTC -6), that's why I can not attend to meetings. For me, meetings from 16:00 UTC to the end of the day are good. Answers: 1. Yes 2. Probably a better design will attract more people, the actual is good, but we may make it better. 3. As I said, meeting at a later hour will be better for me, or using other tools is also a good idea. For now is all I can thinks about it's 3:20am here (9:20am UTC), so I have to go. Greetings. On Thu, Mar 18, 2010 at 1:48 AM, Satoru Matsumoto <helios_reds@gmx.net> wrote:
As you may know, Weekly News Team is organizing biweekly regular IRC meetings on the #opensuse-newsletter channel on Freenode alternate Saturdays 14:30 UTC. However, we couldn't start the meetings for the last several months, because only few people were on the channel at that time - most of the time there were only Sascha and me. :-(
I know most of the team members are too busy with their own works to attend the meetings and the time for the meeting may not be so convenient for everyone. If members were willing to join the meeting but happened to be busy at that time, that's not the problem. What I am afraid of is, lack of interest.
So, if you think you are a part of the Weekly News Team or want to be, I'd like to ask you:
1) Are you satisfied and having fun with editing/translating Weekly News? In case the answer is not "Yes", please tell us the reason, if you can point out.
2) Do you have any good ideas, proposals and opinions to make Weekly News much more interesting and attractive both for readers and editors/translators? "It would be interesting at least for me, if we ..." is considered a good answer. ;-)
3) Is the meeting time - 14:30 UTC alternate Saturdays - convenient for you? Over 1 year has passed since we fixed the time, it might be good chance to reconsider the better time for meetings. Or, if you think we had better discuss topics on another channel such as mailinglist, forum, Google Wave, etc., which is unaffected by time, please tell us your recommendation.
There might be some opinions like "We should ..." and "We have to ...", but I would rather talk with you about how we can enjoy our work on Weekly News and provide more interesting and useful newsletters to our readers. To make things better and more interesting, we always need your help. ;-)
Best,
-- _/_/ Satoru Matsumoto - openSUSE Member - Japan _/_/ _/_/ Marketing/Weekly News/openFATE Screening Team _/_/ _/_/ mail: helios_reds_at_gmx.net / irc: HeliosReds _/_/ _/_/ http://blog.geeko.jp/author/heliosreds _/_/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+help@opensuse.org
-- Eng. Marco "AlpVonKri" Flores openSUSE: Ambassador openSUSE: User openSUSE: Weekly News http://en.opensuse.org/User:Alpvonkri http://es.opensuse.org/Usuario:Alpvonkri http://www.alpvonkri.tk -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+help@opensuse.org
Am Donnerstag, 18. März 2010 10:20:45 wrote Marco "AlpVonKri" Flores:
In the case of the Spanish team (I have 1 translator and probably another 1 will join), we're living in America, so our times zones are between UTC -8 and UTC -4, so for us 14:30 UTC is early, specially because is Saturday After Party, we're Latinos after all, probably a later hour will be best, here in Mexico 14:30UTC is 8:30am (UTC -6), that's why I can not attend to meetings. Hmm. Thats difficult to find the best time. I think 14:30 UTC is night for Satoru. Marco, what is the earliest time, who we can made the meeting with you? Mabe we find an middle way...
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On Thu, Mar 18, 2010 at 6:54 AM, Sascha 'saigkill' Manns <samannsml@directbox.com> wrote:
Hmm. Thats difficult to find the best time. I think 14:30 UTC is night for Satoru. Marco, what is the earliest time, who we can made the meeting with you? Mabe we find an middle way...
For me the earliest time will be Saturday 16:00UTC (10:00am), also if the meetings are Saturday 7:00UTC (1:00am) or early, is still a good time for me and also may be for Satoru, I think there is UTC+7 so it's 2:00pm About the News, not as a coordinator, but as a reader, I don't really read forums, planet, etc, I only read the Weekly News, and If I find an interesting post I read it in the source and probably will look for other ones, so it's good that it points to relevant news in other sites. And as Javier pointed, is a good Idea to point to news in other languages, not only English. And as I said in response to the first post, I would like the News to improve by making them more visually attractive, probably using multimedia, and be creative, for example, we may ask for help to the art team in making it more artistic. We may see other Weekly News to give us some ideas, but we need to invotave, to make readers say "I haven't seen this before", I think that will make the openSUSE project to have a greater promotion, good products and marketing makes organizations/bussines to grow and success. It's all that comes to my mind for now. Greetings. -- Eng. Marco "AlpVonKri" Flores openSUSE: Ambassador openSUSE: User openSUSE: Weekly News http://en.opensuse.org/User:Alpvonkri http://es.opensuse.org/Usuario:Alpvonkri http://www.alpvonkri.tk -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+help@opensuse.org
Hi All, i'm the italian translator. I'm "under exams" and until july i have not finished. When i can i translate but taking part to the IRC meeting needs a later time (for example one hour later is just better!). Bye bye hawake -- Linux user number 433087 Linux registered machine number 351448 http://counter.li.org/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+help@opensuse.org
About the News, not as a coordinator, but as a reader, I don't really read forums, planet, etc, I only read the Weekly News, and If I find an interesting post I read it in the source and probably will look for other ones, so it's good that it points to relevant news in other sites.
And as Javier pointed, is a good Idea to point to news in other languages, not only English.
And as I said in response to the first post, I would like the News to improve by making them more visually attractive, probably using multimedia, and be creative, for example, we may ask for help to the art team in making it more artistic. I think that will make the openSUSE project to have a greater promotion, good products and marketing makes organizations/bussines to grow and success.
It's all that comes to my mind for now.
Greetings.
Grettings, I'm the Spanish translator and totally agree with Marco
And as I said in response to the first post, I would like the News to improve by making them more visually attractive,
If the people see something that its visually pleasant, will stay more and of course get more interest in the content of our newsletter. I'm a CSS programmer at your service in case you need ;-) Just my humble opinion. Cheers. -- Alex Barrios ----------------------------------------- Descubre! Disfruta! Comparte! openSUSE Linux. ----------------------------------------- Embajador openSUSE -- http://en.opensuse.org/User:Alexbariv blog -- http://blog.alexbariv.com/ twitter -- alexbariv -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+help@opensuse.org
Hello,
As you may know, Weekly News Team is organizing biweekly regular IRC meetings on the #opensuse-newsletter channel on Freenode alternate Saturdays 14:30 UTC. However, we couldn't start the meetings for the last several months, because only few people were on the channel at that time - most of the time there were only Sascha and me. :-(
Thats a normal reaction of ppl. Because there are to often meetings with no important things. All what Sascha doing is copy and paste reminders - so maybe noone more is interested in his announcments. Because he does the same with other meetings. Meetings are important but they should be only when it is really needed!
I know most of the team members are too busy with their own works to attend the meetings and the time for the meeting may not be so convenient for everyone. If members were willing to join the meeting but happened to be busy at that time, that's not the problem. What I am afraid of is, lack of interest.
So, if you think you are a part of the Weekly News Team or want to be, I'd like to ask you:
1) Are you satisfied and having fun with editing/translating Weekly News? In case the answer is not "Yes", please tell us the reason, if you can point out.
Make it sence to translate the OWN? No - For what reason should I read the german newsletter when there only links to english pages are in? There would be a easy solution for this problem.
2) Do you have any good ideas, proposals and opinions to make Weekly News much more interesting and attractive both for readers and editors/translators? "It would be interesting at least for me, if we ..." is considered a good answer. ;-)
Sure I have but I dont find it funny to get a answer "this was always so we dont change it"
3) Is the meeting time - 14:30 UTC alternate Saturdays - convenient for you? Over 1 year has passed since we fixed the time, it might be good chance to reconsider the better time for meetings. Or, if you think we had better discuss topics on another channel such as mailinglist, forum, Google Wave, etc., which is unaffected by time, please tell us your recommendation.
There might be some opinions like "We should ..." and "We have to ...", but I would rather talk with you about how we can enjoy our work on Weekly News and provide more interesting and useful newsletters to our readers. To make things better and more interesting, we always need your help. ;-)
Thats a little bit a chicken-egg problem. I saw last time often calls for help from Sascha but I think that does not help. I think most ppl are not interested in the OWN because I can all things read on the planet fresher. The situation with the newsletter have to be changed first then u get new ppl because the thing the can work on is a good thing ;) Change means not to put new sources in, like last time its the same like read the stories on the planet. Put in a new picture on the top makes it not better too. The content is the key to get readers! br gnokii
Best,
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On Thursday 18 March 2010 12:00:44 S.Kemter wrote:
Hello,
As you may know, Weekly News Team is organizing biweekly regular IRC meetings on the #opensuse-newsletter channel on Freenode alternate Saturdays 14:30 UTC. However, we couldn't start the meetings for the last several months, because only few people were on the channel at that time - most of the time there were only Sascha and me. :-(
Thats a normal reaction of ppl. Because there are to often meetings with no important things. All what Sascha doing is copy and paste reminders - so maybe noone more is interested in his announcments. Because he does the same with other meetings.
Meetings are important but they should be only when it is really needed!
+1
I know most of the team members are too busy with their own works to attend the meetings and the time for the meeting may not be so convenient for everyone. If members were willing to join the meeting but happened to be busy at that time, that's not the problem. What I am afraid of is, lack of interest.
So, if you think you are a part of the Weekly News Team or want to be, I'd like to ask you:
1) Are you satisfied and having fun with editing/translating Weekly News? In case the answer is not "Yes", please tell us the reason, if you can point out.
Make it sence to translate the OWN? No - For what reason should I read the german newsletter when there only links to english pages are in? There would be a easy solution for this problem.
+1 I would leave English news in English and have a section with news in the corresponding language.
2) Do you have any good ideas, proposals and opinions to make Weekly News much more interesting and attractive both for readers and editors/translators? "It would be interesting at least for me, if we ..." is considered a good answer. ;-)
Sure I have but I dont find it funny to get a answer "this was always so we dont change it"
I propose changing the format. Pligg could be an option to consider. Users (including the oWN staff) would submit news and vote them. The articles with the most votes would appear in the frontpage. See http://www.pligg.com/about.php http://www.pligg.com/demo/ This would make it more interactive. You could also include videos, polls, etc directly on the frontpage.
3) Is the meeting time - 14:30 UTC alternate Saturdays - convenient for you? Over 1 year has passed since we fixed the time, it might be good chance to reconsider the better time for meetings. Or, if you think we had better discuss topics on another channel such as mailinglist, forum, Google Wave, etc., which is unaffected by time, please tell us your recommendation.
There might be some opinions like "We should ..." and "We have to ...", but I would rather talk with you about how we can enjoy our work on Weekly News and provide more interesting and useful newsletters to our readers. To make things better and more interesting, we always need your help. ;-)
Thats a little bit a chicken-egg problem. I saw last time often calls for help from Sascha but I think that does not help.
I think most ppl are not interested in the OWN because I can all things read on the planet fresher. The situation with the newsletter have to be changed first then u get new ppl because the thing the can work on is a good thing ;)
I don't agree. There are news from other sources. So, not everything is on the planet. And not all people read the planet on a daily basis.
Change means not to put new sources in, like last time its the same like read the stories on the planet. Put in a new picture on the top makes it not better too.
The content is the key to get readers!
+1
br gnokii
Best,
Greetings, -- Javier Llorente
Am Donnerstag, 18. März 2010 12:00:44 wrote S.Kemter:
Hello,
As you may know, Weekly News Team is organizing biweekly regular IRC meetings on the #opensuse-newsletter channel on Freenode alternate Saturdays 14:30 UTC. However, we couldn't start the meetings for the last several months, because only few people were on the channel at that time - most of the time there were only Sascha and me. :-(
Thats a normal reaction of ppl. Because there are to often meetings with no important things. All what Sascha doing is copy and paste reminders - so maybe noone more is interested in his announcments. Because he does the same with other meetings. I understand, what you mean. I've seen that the Project-, Wiki and Marketing (at Zonkers time) used the same Text for reminders every time. So i've done this too.
Meetings are important but they should be only when it is really needed!
I know most of the team members are too busy with their own works to attend the meetings and the time for the meeting may not be so convenient for everyone. If members were willing to join the meeting but happened to be busy at that time, that's not the problem. What I am afraid of is, lack of interest.
So, if you think you are a part of the Weekly News Team or want to be, I'd like to ask you:
1) Are you satisfied and having fun with editing/translating Weekly
News? In case the answer is not "Yes", please tell us the reason, if you can point out.
Make it sence to translate the OWN? No - For what reason should I read the german newsletter when there only links to english pages are in? There would be a easy solution for this problem. About that, i must thinking...
2) Do you have any good ideas, proposals and opinions to make Weekly
News much more interesting and attractive both for readers and editors/translators? "It would be interesting at least for me, if we ..." is considered a good answer. ;-)
Sure I have but I dont find it funny to get a answer "this was always so we dont change it" Then please feel free to write your Proposals. ATM we have made our Newsletter like that, what our Survey Reults are.
3) Is the meeting time - 14:30 UTC alternate Saturdays - convenient for
you? Over 1 year has passed since we fixed the time, it might be good chance to reconsider the better time for meetings. Or, if you think we had better discuss topics on another channel such as mailinglist, forum, Google Wave, etc., which is unaffected by time, please tell us your recommendation.
There might be some opinions like "We should ..." and "We have to ...", but I would rather talk with you about how we can enjoy our work on Weekly News and provide more interesting and useful newsletters to our readers. To make things better and more interesting, we always need your help. ;-)
Thats a little bit a chicken-egg problem. I saw last time often calls for help from Sascha but I think that does not help. The call for Translators was good. I've recieved many Mails fro potencial new Translators. And we have an new Language for translating (Cs).
I think most ppl are not interested in the OWN because I can all things read on the planet fresher. The situation with the newsletter have to be changed first then u get new ppl because the thing the can work on is a good thing ;)
Change means not to put new sources in, like last time its the same like read the stories on the planet. Put in a new picture on the top makes it not better too.
The content is the key to get readers! That i think too. So just make proposals. To remove all Articles from the planet is not an good idea, because not every one read the planet regularly. We can't view just from our POV. Not every User read the planet, not every User read the Mailinglists and not every User reads forums.o.o So the Weekly News are for People who doesn't read this. So i publish the Announcement Mail in linux-community and linux.com. So ppl who doesn't read that, they can have an Overview what happens in the last week. And another Point is that through the OWN we place the Name "openSUSE" in the Mind of the readers regularly.
Just my 2 cents :-) -- Sincerely yours Sascha Manns openSUSE Community & Support Agent openSUSE Marketing Team Blog: http://saigkill.wordpress.com Web: http://www.open-slx.de (openSUSE Box Support German) Web: http://www.open-slx.com (openSUSE Box Support English) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+help@opensuse.org
Am Donnerstag, den 18.03.2010, 14:14 +0100 schrieb Sascha 'saigkill' Manns:
Am Donnerstag, 18. März 2010 12:00:44 wrote S.Kemter:
Hello,
As you may know, Weekly News Team is organizing biweekly regular IRC meetings on the #opensuse-newsletter channel on Freenode alternate Saturdays 14:30 UTC. However, we couldn't start the meetings for the last several months, because only few people were on the channel at that time - most of the time there were only Sascha and me. :-(
Thats a normal reaction of ppl. Because there are to often meetings with no important things. All what Sascha doing is copy and paste reminders - so maybe noone more is interested in his announcments. Because he does the same with other meetings. I understand, what you mean. I've seen that the Project-, Wiki and Marketing (at Zonkers time) used the same Text for reminders every time. So i've done this too.
I told u before what others do must not be right! C&P is never right ppl recognize this and think u are not very interested in this and working like a machine.
Meetings are important but they should be only when it is really needed!
I know most of the team members are too busy with their own works to attend the meetings and the time for the meeting may not be so convenient for everyone. If members were willing to join the meeting but happened to be busy at that time, that's not the problem. What I am afraid of is, lack of interest.
So, if you think you are a part of the Weekly News Team or want to be, I'd like to ask you:
1) Are you satisfied and having fun with editing/translating Weekly
News? In case the answer is not "Yes", please tell us the reason, if you can point out.
Make it sence to translate the OWN? No - For what reason should I read the german newsletter when there only links to english pages are in? There would be a easy solution for this problem. About that, i must thinking...
2) Do you have any good ideas, proposals and opinions to make Weekly
News much more interesting and attractive both for readers and editors/translators? "It would be interesting at least for me, if we ..." is considered a good answer. ;-)
Sure I have but I dont find it funny to get a answer "this was always so we dont change it" Then please feel free to write your Proposals. ATM we have made our Newsletter like that, what our Survey Reults are.
AJ has a long list with proposals only for the OWN I dont have time right now for post them all again here. And many from them I told u before!
3) Is the meeting time - 14:30 UTC alternate Saturdays - convenient for
you? Over 1 year has passed since we fixed the time, it might be good chance to reconsider the better time for meetings. Or, if you think we had better discuss topics on another channel such as mailinglist, forum, Google Wave, etc., which is unaffected by time, please tell us your recommendation.
There might be some opinions like "We should ..." and "We have to ...", but I would rather talk with you about how we can enjoy our work on Weekly News and provide more interesting and useful newsletters to our readers. To make things better and more interesting, we always need your help. ;-)
Thats a little bit a chicken-egg problem. I saw last time often calls for help from Sascha but I think that does not help. The call for Translators was good. I've recieved many Mails fro potencial new Translators. And we have an new Language for translating (Cs).
yeah so translate ^^ Maybe u should call for editors so that there is a thing for translate.
I think most ppl are not interested in the OWN because I can all things read on the planet fresher. The situation with the newsletter have to be changed first then u get new ppl because the thing the can work on is a good thing ;)
Change means not to put new sources in, like last time its the same like read the stories on the planet. Put in a new picture on the top makes it not better too.
The content is the key to get readers! That i think too. So just make proposals. To remove all Articles from the planet is not an good idea, because not every one read the planet regularly. We can't view just from our POV. Not every User read the planet, not every User read the Mailinglists and not every User reads forums.o.o So the Weekly News are for People who doesn't read this. So i publish the Announcement Mail in linux-community and linux.com. So ppl who doesn't read that, they can have an Overview what happens in the last week. And another Point is that through the OWN we place the Name "openSUSE" in the Mind of the readers regularly.
actually u take more time for spamming fb, twitter, planet, linux.com and and and that the OWN is out as do them br gnokii
Just my 2 cents :-)
-- Sincerely yours
Sascha Manns openSUSE Community & Support Agent openSUSE Marketing Team
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On Thursday 18 March 2010 15:08:47 S.Kemter wrote:
[...] AJ has a long list with proposals only for the OWN I dont have time right now for post them all again here. And many from them I told u before!
Sirko, I have your list in German but I'm not going to send it here. That's up for you to propose - and then for the whole OWN team to discuss and decide on. If you need some time for writing them up, so be it. I guess Sirko's main proposal sis to improve the content of OWN with: * Looking for interesting articles in other languages and summarizing them in English. * Looking for interesting articles about openSUSE elsewhere and summarizing them. Or let me state it differently: 3000 readers for OWN looks far too little. What can we do to create better content and reach more? Andreas -- Andreas Jaeger, Program Manager openSUSE, aj@{novell.com,opensuse.org} Twitter: jaegerandi | Identica: jaegerandi SUSE LINUX Products GmbH, GF: Markus Rex, HRB 16746 (AG Nürnberg) Maxfeldstr. 5, 90409 Nürnberg, Germany GPG fingerprint = 93A3 365E CE47 B889 DF7F FED1 389A 563C C272 A126
Hello everybody, On Thu, Mar 18, 2010 at 10:13 AM, Andreas Jaeger <aj@novell.com> wrote:
* Looking for interesting articles about openSUSE elsewhere and summarizing them.
Or let me state it differently: 3000 readers for OWN looks far too little. What can we do to create better content and reach more?
IMHO we need to expand the coverage of the news to other branches not necessarily 100% related to openSUSE but related to common interest too. For example: what people is very interested today? A possible answer is gadgets. There are a lot of sites about gadgets with a lot of readers. So we could include news about installing openSUSE on PlayStation 3 for example. A lot of people have a PS3 and probably they don't know that is posible to install openSUSE on it. Cheers,
Andreas -- Andreas Jaeger, Program Manager openSUSE, aj@{novell.com,opensuse.org} Twitter: jaegerandi | Identica: jaegerandi SUSE LINUX Products GmbH, GF: Markus Rex, HRB 16746 (AG Nürnberg) Maxfeldstr. 5, 90409 Nürnberg, Germany GPG fingerprint = 93A3 365E CE47 B889 DF7F FED1 389A 563C C272 A126
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On Mar 18, 2010, at 7:36 AM, Francisco Arias <francisco.arias@gmail.com> wrote:
Hello everybody,
On Thu, Mar 18, 2010 at 10:13 AM, Andreas Jaeger <aj@novell.com> wrote:
* Looking for interesting articles about openSUSE elsewhere and summarizing them.
Or let me state it differently: 3000 readers for OWN looks far too little. What can we do to create better content and reach more?
IMHO we need to expand the coverage of the news to other branches not necessarily 100% related to openSUSE but related to common interest too.
For example: what people is very interested today? A possible answer is gadgets. There are a lot of sites about gadgets with a lot of readers. So we could include news about installing openSUSE on PlayStation 3 for example. A lot of people have a PS3 and probably they don't know that is posible to install openSUSE on it.
I agree with this, but only to the extent that it relates to openSUSE.
Cheers,
Andreas -- Andreas Jaeger, Program Manager openSUSE, aj@{novell.com,opensuse.org } Twitter: jaegerandi | Identica: jaegerandi SUSE LINUX Products GmbH, GF: Markus Rex, HRB 16746 (AG Nürnberg) Maxfeldstr. 5, 90409 Nürnberg, Germany GPG fingerprint = 93A3 365E CE47 B889 DF7F FED1 389A 563C C272 A126
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Hi HeliosReds and Listmates, As HeliosReds knows, I'm not a really openSUSE guy. I always use Ubuntu, and unfortunately now I don't have openSUSE environment (I have a plan to install M3 in my old laptop, Thinkpad X31, but no time now). So my opinion is something different from any other OWN-people, but I hope it will become a seed of a brainstorming. 2010/3/18 Satoru Matsumoto <helios_reds@gmx.net>:
1) Are you satisfied and having fun with editing/translating Weekly News? In case the answer is not "Yes", please tell us the reason, if you can point out.
Totally YES. The work is very good source about Linux and openSUSE world, and it improves my English - Japanese Translation skill.
2) Do you have any good ideas, proposals and opinions to make Weekly News much more interesting and attractive both for readers and editors/translators? "It would be interesting at least for me, if we ..." is considered a good answer. ;-)
First, I think Sascha and you, Heliosreds work good as OWN editors. However, from translator point of view, sometimes I wondered who will read translated OWN? OWN has lots of titles and quotes of nice news, interest articles. I think OWN's position is good guidebook of "informationful" world. It is very hard to choose good information from the net, but OWN helps well, it is my feeling... for good English readers. However, translated OWN should bring non-English readers to original article in English. It's a little bit higher goal. So quotes are very important; they should tell the interest of the original articles. If translated OWN includes such kind of translated quotes that tell how interest the articles are, more people reads translated OWN, and our (translator's) motivation will be increase. I know, it is tough work to editors; not only choosing article from lots of sources, but also find the part which should be quoted. I cannot say to pay extra cost to anyone. Now I'm thinking... sorry.
3) Is the meeting time - 14:30 UTC alternate Saturdays - convenient for you? Over 1 year has passed since we fixed the time, it might be good chance to reconsider the better time for meetings. Or, if you think we had better discuss topics on another channel such as mailinglist, forum, Google Wave, etc., which is unaffected by time, please tell us your recommendation.
I have a same timezone with HeliosReds, so if you're OK, I'm also OK. Sorry the private talk, I have a healthy problem now, so I have to go to bed early time, so right now current meeting time is too late to join for me. However, in general, it's okay. Sorry my poor English and long mail, but I hope it helps activate the discussion. Regards, -- Naruhiko Ogasawara (naruoga@gmail.com) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+help@opensuse.org
On Thursday 18 March 2010 13:56:27 Naruhiko Ogasawara wrote: [...]
I know, it is tough work to editors; not only choosing article from lots of sources, but also find the part which should be quoted. I cannot say to pay extra cost to anyone. Now I'm thinking... sorry.
That might be a very critical point you're scratching there. Do the editors have problems in general to find interesting things to include ? Maybe we should work towards having a more "inversion of control" approach (sorry, I'm a software developer, I couldn't resist ;D), also called the "Hollywood principle": "don't call me, I'll call you". What I mean is that we work to evolve the flow from the current situation, which is: editors are subscribed to a lot of channels to pick out interesting things to this: the people who create the content and do the "interesting things" push information to the OWN editors. It would obviously require some time, especially for people to get used to the idea of doing a little bit of extra work (= pushing things to the OWN editors), but it might help in finding more content, and making the life of OWN editors a bit easier. [...]
Sorry my poor English and long mail, but I hope it helps activate the discussion.
Your English is great, thanks for your contribution :) cheers -- -o) Pascal Bleser <pascal.bleser@opensuse.org> /\\ http://opensuse.org -- I took the green pill _\_v FOSDEM::6+7 Feb 2010, Brussels, http://fosdem.org
On Thursday 18 March 2010 23:04:52 Pascal Bleser wrote:
[...] What I mean is that we work to evolve the flow from the current situation, which is: editors are subscribed to a lot of channels to pick out interesting things to this: the people who create the content and do the "interesting things" push information to the OWN editors.
But pushing needs to be easy. so, would something like this work? If I see an interesting email, I'l forward it to own@opensuse.org and the editors can pick it up or look at the thread for more details? What about with interesting articles, blog posts, forums? An email with links to own@opensuse.org? Andreas -- Andreas Jaeger, Program Manager openSUSE, aj@{novell.com,opensuse.org} Twitter: jaegerandi | Identica: jaegerandi SUSE LINUX Products GmbH, GF: Markus Rex, HRB 16746 (AG Nürnberg) Maxfeldstr. 5, 90409 Nürnberg, Germany GPG fingerprint = 93A3 365E CE47 B889 DF7F FED1 389A 563C C272 A126
Am Freitag, 19. März 2010 08:56:33 wrote Andreas Jaeger:
On Thursday 18 March 2010 23:04:52 Pascal Bleser wrote: But pushing needs to be easy.
so, would something like this work? If I see an interesting email, I'l forward it to own@opensuse.org and the editors can pick it up or look at the thread for more details?
What about with interesting articles, blog posts, forums? An email with links to own@opensuse.org? I like this Idea. As alternate Option we've created our Dashboard. But i think the Email Propose is better. -- Sincerely yours
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On Friday 19 March 2010 16:06:39 Sascha 'saigkill' Manns wrote:
Am Freitag, 19. März 2010 08:56:33 wrote Andreas Jaeger:
On Thursday 18 March 2010 23:04:52 Pascal Bleser wrote: But pushing needs to be easy.
so, would something like this work? If I see an interesting email, I'l forward it to own@opensuse.org and the editors can pick it up or look at the thread for more details?
That is one way to pick news. New in your proposal is that everyone should hand interesting material to oWN people. The email to own@opensuse.org list is something that can be used, but it will happen that the same material is handed few times, once you find it, next time someone else. There is also another problem, each reporter should be subscribed to one more list. Not highly popular requirement, IMO.
What about with interesting articles, blog posts, forums? An email with links to own@opensuse.org?
I like this Idea. As alternate Option we've created our Dashboard. But i think the Email Propose is better.
Each team should have News board and publish what they do there, so that oWN editors don't have to hunt all possible sources to get news. Visit team boards and our local news are there. Advantage is that team members know the best what is important, while oWN reporters are not necessarily well versed what part of team conversation on mail lists, forums, blogs, etc, is hot topic for the team activity. -- Regards Rajko, -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+help@opensuse.org
On Friday 19 March 2010 23:59:49 Rajko M. wrote:
On Friday 19 March 2010 16:06:39 Sascha 'saigkill' Manns wrote:
Am Freitag, 19. März 2010 08:56:33 wrote Andreas Jaeger:
On Thursday 18 March 2010 23:04:52 Pascal Bleser wrote: But pushing needs to be easy.
so, would something like this work? If I see an interesting email, I'l forward it to own@opensuse.org and the editors can pick it up or look at the thread for more details?
That is one way to pick news. New in your proposal is that everyone should hand interesting material to oWN people. The email to own@opensuse.org list is something that can be used, but it will happen that the same material is handed few times, once you find it, next time someone else. There is also another problem, each
Multiple submission isn't as much of a problem, methinks. Better to have it a dozen times than not at all :)
reporter should be subscribed to one more list. Not highly popular requirement, IMO.
Right, that won't work. Might be more interesting to have a list that doesn't require subscription. Or a wiki page, whatever, but it must really be simple and low barrier. The more annoying, the less likely people will use it. If they were prepared to jump through a few hoops, they'd already blog about it ;)
What about with interesting articles, blog posts, forums? An email with links to own@opensuse.org?
I like this Idea. As alternate Option we've created our Dashboard. But i think the Email Propose is better.
I suppose you mean this: http://en.opensuse.org/OpenSUSE_Weekly_News/Dashboard It's a bit of a mess, really :( (at least if you expect people to use that to submit something news-worthy) Maybe a tracker would be better suited ?
Each team should have News board and publish what they do there, so that oWN editors don't have to hunt all possible sources to get news. Visit team boards and our local news are there.
That's an option as well.
Advantage is that team members know the best what is important, while oWN reporters are not necessarily well versed what part of team conversation on mail lists, forums, blogs, etc, is hot topic for the team activity.
Exactly, but that's the point of having teams push information to the OWN editor team instead of pulling. It doesn't preclude any option on how to do so :) cheers -- -o) Pascal Bleser <pascal.bleser@opensuse.org> /\\ http://opensuse.org -- I took the green pill _\_v FOSDEM::6+7 Feb 2010, Brussels, http://fosdem.org
On Friday 19 March 2010 23:59:49 Rajko M. wrote:
On Friday 19 March 2010 16:06:39 Sascha 'saigkill' Manns wrote:
Am Freitag, 19. März 2010 08:56:33 wrote Andreas Jaeger:
On Thursday 18 March 2010 23:04:52 Pascal Bleser wrote: But pushing needs to be easy.
so, would something like this work? If I see an interesting email, I'l forward it to own@opensuse.org and the editors can pick it up or look at the thread for more details?
That is one way to pick news. New in your proposal is that everyone should hand interesting material to oWN people. The email to own@opensuse.org list is something that can be used, but it will happen that the same material is handed few times, once you find it, next time someone else. There is also another problem, each reporter should be subscribed to one more list. Not highly popular requirement, IMO.
What I want to achieve is that it's easy for somebody to report a new story. The own@o.o suggestion was my immediate idea but I'm open to others as long as it's easy to do. Btw. own@o.o should not require a subscription at all. What I was thinking is that while reading emails, it's easy to forward an email - far easier than opening a web browser and adding something there... The workflow for people finding interesting things in the forums or on the web might be different.
What about with interesting articles, blog posts, forums? An email with links to own@opensuse.org?
I like this Idea. As alternate Option we've created our Dashboard. But i think the Email Propose is better.
Each team should have News board and publish what they do there, so that oWN editors don't have to hunt all possible sources to get news. Visit team boards and our local news are there.
Would be an option as well but would be more overhead for the teams and needs motivating more people.
Advantage is that team members know the best what is important, while oWN reporters are not necessarily well versed what part of team conversation on mail lists, forums, blogs, etc, is hot topic for the team activity.
That's why I suggested that team members forward to the OWN team... Andreas -- Andreas Jaeger, Program Manager openSUSE, aj@{novell.com,opensuse.org} Twitter: jaegerandi | Identica: jaegerandi SUSE LINUX Products GmbH, GF: Markus Rex, HRB 16746 (AG Nürnberg) Maxfeldstr. 5, 90409 Nürnberg, Germany GPG fingerprint = 93A3 365E CE47 B889 DF7F FED1 389A 563C C272 A126
On Thursday 18 March 2010 07:56:27 Naruhiko Ogasawara wrote:
However, translated OWN should bring non-English readers to original article in English.
That is one of the problems. If I read translation then I have a reason for that, most probably that my command of English is not good enough. If translation brings reader to English article, then it brings it to a problem, how to read that. Solving that problem would mean a lot more translations then now, but the result can be a lot more people willing to contribute, and to contribute original articles in other languages. My humble opinion on wiki translations is that we are missing a lot of original content that would be created if wikis in other languages would not be treated as English to <some_other_language> translations, but simply wiki in another language. That wiki can be created using some other wiki content, it is not necessary that English is source, but then it has to start living its own life. The only thing that should be common is basic layout. The same we should consider for openSUSE Weekly News. Translation should be a seed to initiate oWN in another language, but then it has to bring some news that are interesting for readers of that language. The structure of the news can be designed from 2 parts: 1) Common news, mostly distribution related 2) Local news, mostly community related, with addition of distro translation efforts -- Regards Rajko, -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+help@opensuse.org
On Thu, Mar 18, 2010 at 2:48 PM, Satoru Matsumoto <helios_reds@gmx.net> wrote:
I'd like to ask you:
1) Are you satisfied and having fun with editing/translating Weekly News? In case the answer is not "Yes", please tell us the reason, if you can point out.
In general yes. I know I'm having some difficulties lately to manage my time But after a call for translator from Sascha, there is 1 volunteer join. So now it really fun :-)
2) Do you have any good ideas, proposals and opinions to make Weekly News much more interesting and attractive both for readers and editors/translators? "It would be interesting at least for me, if we ..." is considered a good answer. ;-)
Hmm... like gnokii mentioned, maybe someone interest to read Weekly News will go directly to English version. We can see in statistic for accessing the page, for the last edition English accessed 3000 times and other translation never closed to English. Indonesia only 200. But I agree that making a good translation might attrack more people to read the English version. I missed People of openSUSE as one of genuine article of OWN.
3) Is the meeting time - 14:30 UTC alternate Saturdays - convenient for you? Over 1 year has passed since we fixed the time, it might be good chance to reconsider the better time for meetings. Or, if you think we had better discuss topics on another channel such as mailinglist, forum, Google Wave, etc., which is unaffected by time, please tell us your recommendation.
I think the time for the meeting is OK. I'm in UTC+7. Considering my personal condition, at least in the past 6 months and maybe for the next 6 months it is difficult for me to follow. I hope I can manage my time better to follow the meeting. I know that someone is always around in our channel, so if we have free time maybe start talking /chatting with each other not only for the meeting is a good start to enjoy our work ;-) regards, -- medwinz ======================= http://medwinz.blogsome.com -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+help@opensuse.org
On Thursday 18 March 2010 08:45:44 medwinz wrote:
I missed People of openSUSE as one of genuine article of OWN.
It was created before and never actually integrated into openSUSE Weekly News, but it should be. BTW, it needs new chief editor, I took position temporarily, made few articles and stopped. A bit too much work for my free time. -- Regards Rajko, -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+help@opensuse.org
On Friday 19 March 2010 01:23:22 Rajko M. wrote:
On Thursday 18 March 2010 08:45:44 medwinz wrote:
I missed People of openSUSE as one of genuine article of OWN.
It was created before and never actually integrated into openSUSE Weekly News, but it should be.
BTW, it needs new chief editor, I took position temporarily, made few articles and stopped. A bit too much work for my free time.
Biiiiiiiiiiiiiiig +1 for reviving People of openSUSE ! Not only because it helps approaching people (putting faces on names/IRC nicks), but also because it puts forward contributors of the project. Who's got time on her hands? :) It is indeed a bit time consuming, especially if you want to make high quality interviews that are customised each time (not """just""" the same set of questions, which is a lot better than nothing, but doesn't produce as good/interesting results -- no bashing at those who made the People of openSUSE interviews up to now though, great job :)). cheers -- -o) Pascal Bleser <pascal.bleser@opensuse.org> /\\ http://opensuse.org -- I took the green pill _\_v FOSDEM::6+7 Feb 2010, Brussels, http://fosdem.org
On Fri, 2010-03-19 at 02:08 +0100, Pascal Bleser wrote:
On Friday 19 March 2010 01:23:22 Rajko M. wrote:
On Thursday 18 March 2010 08:45:44 medwinz wrote:
I missed People of openSUSE as one of genuine article of OWN.
It was created before and never actually integrated into openSUSE Weekly News, but it should be.
BTW, it needs new chief editor, I took position temporarily, made few articles and stopped. A bit too much work for my free time.
Biiiiiiiiiiiiiiig +1 for reviving People of openSUSE !
Not only because it helps approaching people (putting faces on names/IRC nicks), but also because it puts forward contributors of the project.
Who's got time on her hands? :) It is indeed a bit time consuming, especially if you want to make high quality interviews that are customised each time (not """just""" the same set of questions, which is a lot better than nothing, but doesn't produce as good/interesting results -- no bashing at those who made the People of openSUSE interviews up to now though, great job :)).
cheers
I totally agree with you Pascal. I've been thinking the same thing. Even when I was interviewed for one of the articles, I felt like it was so vanilla-ized, with the same cookie-cutter questions asked over and over that never got indepth into who I was. It was more like filling out a profile for some website than an actual interview. Interviewing properly is not just a time-consuming process, but a skill that takes practice. Instead of seeking out a volunteer, I propose that anyone who is interested in writing or learning how to write interviews volunteers. We can easily create a list of people we're interested in interviewing and then pick from the ones we are most comfortable with and go from there. Interviewing requires doing your homework properly. Research the subject BEFORE you interview him or her. And when you've done your homework, you'll know more than what you need just for the interview. Thus you have more knowledge to help write additional articles beyond just the interview. Like reporting on team activities, as an example. And writers is what we are definitely lacking at this time. And I KNOW from what I've seen so far that many of you have that hidden talent to write. If you're interested, but don't feel confident in your abilities yet, volunteer anyway! We're a team, you can ask any of us for guidance and advice and even review. Bryen M Yunashko openSUSE Board Member openSUSE Marketing Team Lead GNOME-A11y Team Member -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+help@opensuse.org
On Thursday 18 March 2010 20:33:20 Bryen M. Yunashko wrote:
On Fri, 2010-03-19 at 02:08 +0100, Pascal Bleser wrote:
On Friday 19 March 2010 01:23:22 Rajko M. wrote:
On Thursday 18 March 2010 08:45:44 medwinz wrote:
I missed People of openSUSE as one of genuine article of OWN.
It was created before and never actually integrated into openSUSE Weekly News, but it should be.
BTW, it needs new chief editor, I took position temporarily, made few articles and stopped. A bit too much work for my free time.
Biiiiiiiiiiiiiiig +1 for reviving People of openSUSE !
By now it should be done for the second time :)
Not only because it helps approaching people (putting faces on names/IRC nicks), but also because it puts forward contributors of the project.
Who's got time on her hands? :) It is indeed a bit time consuming, especially if you want to make high quality interviews that are customised each time (not """just""" the same set of questions, which is a lot better than nothing, but doesn't produce as good/interesting results -- no bashing at those who made the People of openSUSE interviews up to now though, great job :)).
cheers
I totally agree with you Pascal. I've been thinking the same thing. Even when I was interviewed for one of the articles, I felt like it was so vanilla-ized, with the same cookie-cutter questions asked over and over that never got indepth into who I was. It was more like filling out a profile for some website than an actual interview.
Interviewing properly is not just a time-consuming process, but a skill that takes practice. Instead of seeking out a volunteer, I propose that anyone who is interested in writing or learning how to write interviews volunteers.
Volunteer for chief editor, and volunteers for interviewers. It has to be organized as I'm sure that none will answer questions to random Joe that is asking who you are.
We can easily create a list of people we're interested in interviewing and then pick from the ones we are most comfortable with and go from there.
http://en.opensuse.org/People_of_openSUSE http://en.opensuse.org/People_of_openSUSE/Interviewed http://en.opensuse.org/People_of_openSUSE/About I guess enough to start with :)
Interviewing requires doing your homework properly. Research the subject BEFORE you interview him or her.
We missing instructions for beginners in the business.
And when you've done your homework, you'll know more than what you need just for the interview. Thus you have more knowledge to help write additional articles beyond just the interview. Like reporting on team activities, as an example.
As a side note (noise :) What about someone from the team taking time and reporting activity?
And writers is what we are definitely lacking at this time. And I KNOW from what I've seen so far that many of you have that hidden talent to write. If you're interested, but don't feel confident in your abilities yet, volunteer anyway! We're a team, you can ask any of us for guidance and advice and even review.
Bryen M Yunashko openSUSE Board Member openSUSE Marketing Team Lead GNOME-A11y Team Member
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On Friday 19 March 2010 03:54:59 Rajko M. wrote:
On Thursday 18 March 2010 20:33:20 Bryen M. Yunashko wrote: [...]
And when you've done your homework, you'll know more than what you need just for the interview. Thus you have more knowledge to help write additional articles beyond just the interview. Like reporting on team activities, as an example.
As a side note (noise :) What about someone from the team taking time and reporting activity?
That's pretty much what I already mentioned in another post on the topic, evolving from a "pull" to a "push" model, where the teams poke the OWN editors about potentially interesting content rather than the opposite: http://lists.opensuse.org/opensuse-marketing/2010-03/msg00096.html So.. yes, definitely, but it will also take some time before we can come to that situation, as the teams aren't especially verbose nor taking a lot of time to "marketise" what they're doing as of now, with the exception of a very few people. (I'm not throwing any (suse)rocks around, I too am totally guilty of that) cheers -- -o) Pascal Bleser <pascal.bleser@opensuse.org> /\\ http://opensuse.org -- I took the green pill _\_v FOSDEM::6+7 Feb 2010, Brussels, http://fosdem.org
Hello, I thinking about People of openSUSE since a few months. I looked after other such series and recognized all have such problems that are the interviews not really in regularly intervals. I looking often to this people behind interviews when I make the preperations for the live broadcast with RadioTux from LinuxTag. I think thats always the same people they think they can do this job recognize after a few months how much work it is that to do. I doing interviews for a long time and know which lot of work is to do with research before u take the interview. And I thaught about can I do this. I dont know, maybe I can do this but I would like an other form of it. When I do it I would take the interview via skype or voip and publish it on RadioTux. But not ot often only 1 in the quarter year or 2 months more not. And publish it on news.o.o too But there is a problem, RadioTux take this only when the OWN are really published there! br gnokii Am Freitag, den 19.03.2010, 04:22 +0100 schrieb Pascal Bleser:
On Friday 19 March 2010 03:54:59 Rajko M. wrote:
On Thursday 18 March 2010 20:33:20 Bryen M. Yunashko wrote: [...]
And when you've done your homework, you'll know more than what you need just for the interview. Thus you have more knowledge to help write additional articles beyond just the interview. Like reporting on team activities, as an example.
As a side note (noise :) What about someone from the team taking time and reporting activity?
That's pretty much what I already mentioned in another post on the topic, evolving from a "pull" to a "push" model, where the teams poke the OWN editors about potentially interesting content rather than the opposite: http://lists.opensuse.org/opensuse-marketing/2010-03/msg00096.html
So.. yes, definitely, but it will also take some time before we can come to that situation, as the teams aren't especially verbose nor taking a lot of time to "marketise" what they're doing as of now, with the exception of a very few people. (I'm not throwing any (suse)rocks around, I too am totally guilty of that)
cheers
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On Friday 19 March 2010 02:33:20 Bryen M. Yunashko wrote:
On Fri, 2010-03-19 at 02:08 +0100, Pascal Bleser wrote:
On Friday 19 March 2010 01:23:22 Rajko M. wrote:
On Thursday 18 March 2010 08:45:44 medwinz wrote:
I missed People of openSUSE as one of genuine article of OWN.
It was created before and never actually integrated into openSUSE Weekly News, but it should be.
BTW, it needs new chief editor, I took position temporarily, made few articles and stopped. A bit too much work for my free time.
Biiiiiiiiiiiiiiig +1 for reviving People of openSUSE !
Not only because it helps approaching people (putting faces on names/IRC nicks), but also because it puts forward contributors of the project.
Who's got time on her hands? :) It is indeed a bit time consuming, especially if you want to make high quality interviews that are customised each time (not """just""" the same set of questions, which is a lot better than nothing, but doesn't produce as good/interesting results -- no bashing at those who made the People of openSUSE interviews up to now though, great job :)).
I totally agree with you Pascal. I've been thinking the same thing. Even when I was interviewed for one of the articles, I felt like it was so vanilla-ized, with the same cookie-cutter questions asked over and over that never got indepth into who I was. It was more like filling out a profile for some website than an actual interview.
The most evident proof for that is also the sort of replies you get on most People of openSUSE interviews: short "yes"s and "no"s. The interviewed person doesn't often jump on the question to tell us more. e.g. when interviewing Coolo, it's probably more interesting to ask "So, what are your actual duties as distribution release manager ? What's the toughest part about the job ?" or "How do you balance innovation and stability ? What do you believe is the best mix for openSUSE ? Do you think people rather expect stability or cutting edge from openSUSE, as compared to other Linux distributions ?" and "Do people often approach you to ask for inclusion of specific packages ?" as well as "What do you believe is the best focus for the distribution that's shipped on media? A small stable core with latest packages available in the OBS, or include a lot of packages to have a larger stable base and a more complete media for those who don't have Internet ?" .. rather than asking about Star Wars vs Star Trek ;D (though it's a funny question nevertheless, it's just that many don't care, and don't elaborate to admit they're fantasising on wookies or Uhura ;) -- no, I don't, on either :P) It is also due to cultural differences, as you'll probably get much shorter answers from (Northern) Germans than, say, North Americans or French ;) Hence it is even more important to ask good questions that are tailored to the interviewed person's interests and domains, to make it more appealing to them to give us longer answers that tell us more about them and what they do. It might also be an idea to interview some people in their native language and then translate it to English (as well as keeping the original, of course), as I might imagine that some are a bit blocked in their eloquence and verbosity because of the language barrier. (but again, that's even more work)
Interviewing properly is not just a time-consuming process, but a skill that takes practice.
Agreed, but it's something that can be improved with peer review and a collaborative process (post your proposal of questions on a mailing-list (e.g. here) and other might come up with ideas for some more and/or better questions to ask), learning from experience, as well as looking at existing stuff. The speaker interviews we do at FOSDEM are pretty good IMHO, and the person who does them has quite some experience with it. They don't have the same focus as they're kept shorter intentionally and are much less tailored to know who the person is rather than finding out what the person will talk about, but nevertheless: http://fosdem.org/2010/news/first-fosdem-2010-speaker-interviews http://fosdem.org/2010/news/second-batch-fosdem-2010-speaker-interviews As you can see, there's always an initial set of more generic questions (introduce yourself, what will you talk about, etc...), but then it is obvious that the interviewer did some research, asking pretty good questions that are specifically focused on the project the speaker is involved with. [...]
Interviewing requires doing your homework properly. Research the subject BEFORE you interview him or her. [...]
Or simply ask yourself: what would I like to be asked about (or talk about) ? Of course, don't ask _those_ questions, but to give you an idea of the _sort_ of questions you'd like to be asked yourself ;D [...] cheers -- -o) Pascal Bleser <pascal.bleser@opensuse.org> /\\ http://opensuse.org -- I took the green pill _\_v FOSDEM::6+7 Feb 2010, Brussels, http://fosdem.org
Dear All: We are Traditional Chinese translation team We are back for this issue #113 2010/3/18 Satoru Matsumoto <helios_reds@gmx.net>
As you may know, Weekly News Team is organizing biweekly regular IRC meetings on the #opensuse-newsletter channel on Freenode alternate Saturdays 14:30 UTC. However, we couldn't start the meetings for the last several months, because only few people were on the channel at that time - most of the time there were only Sascha and me. :-(
I know most of the team members are too busy with their own works to attend the meetings and the time for the meeting may not be so convenient for everyone. If members were willing to join the meeting but happened to be busy at that time, that's not the problem. What I am afraid of is, lack of interest.
So, if you think you are a part of the Weekly News Team or want to be, I'd like to ask you:
1) Are you satisfied and having fun with editing/translating Weekly News? In case the answer is not "Yes", please tell us the reason, if you can point out.
Yes for having fun 1.Because I know many information ( Maybe application )and know and Meet some guys really ( I go to Japan meet Matsumoto and Naruhiko ) Not sure for satisfied 1.I have no idea ---------- who and what I work for ( openSUSE ? or End users who like Linux or openSUSE) I just thinking .......... ( sorry for my poor English ) Who is our reader? In Local and Global? How many percent (%) is Linux Developer ? How many percent (%) is Linux Beginer? How many percent (%) is Windows users who want to know openSUSE ? How many percent (%) is Linux Server administrator ? How do we know that? and find out who is our really reader ........... at Local and Global If there are only a few Developer at Taiwan and lots of Linux Beginer and windows users want to know and get some funny things on openSUSE. How can I help them more? Like you and me .....................when we open the News paper ( if you only have one news paper) The first step .........Maybe see the Titile The second step............some guys will read Sport some guys will read International News The third step ................. skip the other pages you don't like to read But actually, when I eat breakfast at coffee shop or store There are many news paper for different destination ......... for sport...........for Movie .........etc It just like the situation we meet..........( People have phorum, RSS reader, BBS, Google news ) so.........who is my customer?( I mean reader) What can I work or Cook for he or her? Can I see their smile or feed back ? or Just " I love openSUSE ? " or " I use openSUSE"? Back to main, I like openSUSE and openSUSE Weekly News, because they let me know and meet Matsumoto and know some guys like STS ^^ The point is ................how can we be "a Team" ( I mean all know each other, and know what's going on ) how can I say hi and thanks to really People. ( sorry for poor English too) Can we have real meeting ( at Brainshare [ U.S.A SLC ]? or the other place ? for Asia .......Maybe at Japan or ??) And how can we know different Location for example "Taiwan" --------- who is our main reader?
2) Do you have any good ideas, proposals and opinions to make Weekly News much more interesting and attractive both for readers and editors/translators? "It would be interesting at least for me, if we ..." is considered a good answer. ;-)
Step by Step tips or Videos ? ( But we must know ......who is my main reader)
3) Is the meeting time - 14:30 UTC alternate Saturdays - convenient for you? Over 1 year has passed since we fixed the time, it might be good chance to reconsider the better time for meetings. Or, if you think we had better discuss topics on another channel such as mailinglist, forum, Google Wave, etc., which is unaffected by time, please tell us your recommendation.
Maybe not just IRC........with Skype or the other one
There might be some opinions like "We should ..." and "We have to ...", but I would rather talk with you about how we can enjoy our work on Weekly News and provide more interesting and useful newsletters to our readers. To make things better and more interesting, we always need your help. ;-)
Best,
-- _/_/ Satoru Matsumoto - openSUSE Member - Japan _/_/ _/_/ Marketing/Weekly News/openFATE Screening Team _/_/ _/_/ mail: helios_reds_at_gmx.net / irc: HeliosReds _/_/ _/_/ http://blog.geeko.jp/author/heliosreds _/_/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+help@opensuse.org
Thanks ^__^ Best regards Max -- _/_/ openSUSE Ambassador - Taiwan _/_/ _/_/ Weekly News Team _/_/ _/_/ mail: sakanamax_at_gmail.com _/_/ _/_/ twitter: sakanamax _/_/ _/_/ nickname: sakana _/_/ -- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+help@opensuse.org
First of all, I'd like to thank everyone who commented and proposed good ideas. I highly appreciate your suggestive advices. As far as I can see, discussions here seem to be devided into 3 topics so far. # #-lines are my opinions and thoughts. 1) What time is mutually convenient for Weekly News Team meetings? * Do we need regular meetings? * What time is better for most of us? * Are there any other good places, where much more persons can join discussions without any geographic or time constraints? # Those can/should be discussed and settled by Weekly News Team # members. 2) How can we improve openSUSE Weekly News? * What is the goal, purpose, role of openSUSE Weekly News? For whom we should edit and publish OWN? -- Main English newsletter -- Translations # If we don't have consensus on above things, the further # discussions will be confused. # The role of main EN newsletter and translations is a little bit # different. Translations are for the people who are not good at # reading English. All the important announcements on openSUSE # project/community can be read on news.o.o, lizards.o.o and in # appropriate mailing lists. However, most of them are only in # English. If we don't translate such important announcements, how # people who don't usually read Planet SUSE can know upcoming power # outage, server maintenance, change of repository trees, etc.? # That's one of the main reasons why I translate OWN into Japanese. # On the other hand, for most Japanese, call for help to the booth # in FLISOL (Nicaragua) or Chemnitzer Linux-Tage (Germany) might not # be a matter of deep interest (... Reports from those events must # be interesting stories, though ;-)). # Therefore, contents in original EN newsletter and translations can # be variant. Translators can be not only transrators, but also # editors for their localized OWN. * Contents -- What kind of stories do readers want to read? -- How we can collect, or, who can write/contribute such interesting articles? -- About citations - Do readers want to read full stories without clicking links? # Tentative proposal: If the original article is on external site or # personal blog, we quote 1-2 paragraphs (as is now). If the # original article is on news.o.o, lizards.o.o or *@opensuse.org # mailing list archive, whole text can be quoted, if needed. * Format / Look and Feel -- New corners? --- Reports from developers/packagers --- Corner to introduce Non-English articles # How about making Ambassadors corner, where we can gather up # reports from Ambassadors all over the world about their local # communities. The point is, we ask Ambassadors to post their local # news and reports such as local events, hot topics in their # localized mailing lists or Planet and so on to -marketing list. It # is not necessarily the original articles to be written in English. # Ambassadors will make a short summary about the topic in English, # like Carl does in "openSUSE Forums" corner, and post it. -- Artwork inprovement * Framework(Infrastructure?) -- Is wiki a good place to publish OWN? --- How about using CMS like Pligg? --Javier * Release announcement -- Much more informations have to be included? 3) Integrate "People of openSUSE" into OWN? * Custom-tailored interviews might be more interesting than stereotyped interviews. -- Who can be an interviewer? Please note, if we enrich and make OWN more attractive, that will increase editors/translators burdens. The work has to be continuable and - never forget! - fun! Whenever we consider how we can improve something, we should also consider what is the fun way to do so. ;-) Best, -- _/_/ Satoru Matsumoto - openSUSE Member - Japan _/_/ _/_/ Marketing/Weekly News/openFATE Screening Team _/_/ _/_/ mail: helios_reds_at_gmx.net / irc: HeliosReds _/_/ _/_/ http://blog.geeko.jp/author/heliosreds _/_/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+help@opensuse.org
participants (16)
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Alex Barrios -
Andreas Jaeger -
Bryen M. Yunashko -
Francisco Arias -
giuseppe gran -
James Mason -
Javier Llorente -
Marco "AlpVonKri" Flores -
Max -
medwinz -
Naruhiko Ogasawara -
Pascal Bleser -
Rajko M. -
S.Kemter -
Sascha 'saigkill' Manns -
Satoru Matsumoto