[opensuse-marketing] Promoting SUSE Studio by making a contest for it (some thoughts)
Hi We were trying to thing ways in order to promote SUSE Studio which we think is something great,we were thinking SS and OBS mostly because we want people that use another distribution to know those two great tools and become more familiar with the openSUSE project. So what is the story,as the Greek openSUSE team we are installing openSUSE distribution and some other distributions to some old computers that a branch of scouts have but we are talking with some other higher grade (national) scouts so that we install FOSS to other branches around Greece.We had the problem that the PC's are really old and we need a lighter distribution,so Stathis said "Ok I'll try to make one on SUSE Studio" and I thought why should we do it and don't let other people be creative,let other people know this great tool and give anyone who wants the pleasure of making an operating system by himself? So we thought why don't we ask for permission for the scout logos and stuff and make a contest about who will create a Custom Scout Distribution? We are thinking in giving everyone a starter pack with logos and stuff that Scout want included in the distribution to download from a page,give a dead end(with plenty of time,not because people might need time to create a distribution but give us the time to promote it BIG),after that give some people to test all the distributions and finally the Greek openSUSE team and the Scouts(or maybe only the scouts) to choose the winner.I would like to ask if openSUSE can send us something to put as a prize,something symbolic, I really don't know. Finally we have an 'official' Greek Scout openSUSE distribution and after that if all this go well we could try on organizing a global contest about it,only think what might follow after that..Other organizations and a great marketing opening opening doors for openSUSE project around the world. You might think we are crazy or dreamers or what ever, we don't bother because we are... Kostas 'Warlordfff' Koudaras -- http://opensuse.gr http://amb.opensuse.gr http://warlordfff.tk me I am not me ------- Time travel is possible, you just need to know the right aliens I gave exams for God , but I failed in miracles -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+help@opensuse.org
On 2010-11-07 Kostas wrote:
Hi We were trying to thing ways in order to promote SUSE Studio which we think is something great,we were thinking SS and OBS mostly because we want people that use another distribution to know those two great tools and become more familiar with the openSUSE project. So what is the story,as the Greek openSUSE team we are installing openSUSE distribution and some other distributions to some old computers that a branch of scouts have but we are talking with some other higher grade (national) scouts so that we install FOSS to other branches around Greece.We had the problem that the PC's are really old and we need a lighter distribution,so Stathis said "Ok I'll try to make one on SUSE Studio" and I thought why should we do it and don't let other people be creative,let other people know this great tool and give anyone who wants the pleasure of making an operating system by himself? So we thought why don't we ask for permission for the scout logos and stuff and make a contest about who will create a Custom Scout Distribution? We are thinking in giving everyone a starter pack with logos and stuff that Scout want included in the distribution to download from a page,give a dead end(with plenty of time,not because people might need time to create a distribution but give us the time to promote it BIG),after that give some people to test all the distributions and finally the Greek openSUSE team and the Scouts(or maybe only the scouts) to choose the winner.I would like to ask if openSUSE can send us something to put as a prize,something symbolic, I really don't know. Finally we have an 'official' Greek Scout openSUSE distribution and after that if all this go well we could try on organizing a global contest about it,only think what might follow after that..Other organizations and a great marketing opening opening doors for openSUSE project around the world. You might think we are crazy or dreamers or what ever, we don't bother because we are...
Really an awesome idea! I like it a lot. How about I get you in contact with the SUSE Studio marketing people at Novell, they might want to help you with this?!?
Kostas 'Warlordfff' Koudaras
Am Montag 08 November 2010, 16:56:50 schrieb Jos Poortvliet:
On 2010-11-07 Kostas wrote:
Hi We were trying to thing ways in order to promote SUSE Studio which we think is something great,we were thinking SS and OBS mostly because we want people that use another distribution to know those two great tools and become more familiar with the openSUSE project.
So what is the story,as the Greek openSUSE team we are installing
openSUSE distribution and some other distributions to some old computers that a branch of scouts have but we are talking with some other higher grade (national) scouts so that we install FOSS to other branches around Greece.We had the problem that the PC's are really old and we need a lighter distribution,so Stathis said "Ok I'll try to make one on SUSE Studio" and I thought why should we do it and don't let other people be creative,let other people know this great tool and give anyone who wants the pleasure of making an operating system by himself?
So we thought why don't we ask for permission for the scout logos and
stuff and make a contest about who will create a Custom Scout Distribution? We are thinking in giving everyone a starter pack with logos and stuff that Scout want included in the distribution to download from a page,give a dead end(with plenty of time,not because people might need time to create a distribution but give us the time to promote it BIG),after that give some people to test all the distributions and finally the Greek openSUSE team and the Scouts(or maybe only the scouts) to choose the winner.I would like to ask if openSUSE can send us something to put as a prize,something symbolic, I really don't know.
Finally we have an 'official' Greek Scout openSUSE distribution and
after that if all this go well we could try on organizing a global contest about it,only think what might follow after that..Other organizations and a great marketing opening opening doors for openSUSE project around the world. You might think we are crazy or dreamers or what ever, we don't bother because we are...
Really an awesome idea! I like it a lot. How about I get you in contact with the SUSE Studio marketing people at Novell, they might want to help you with this?!?
Kostas 'Warlordfff' Koudaras
sorry, but we are not responsible for market SUSE Studio, why its called not openSUSE Studio? Because its a product of SUSE Linux not a subproject of openSUSE br gnokii -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+help@opensuse.org
On 2010-11-09 S wrote:
Am Montag 08 November 2010, 16:56:50 schrieb Jos Poortvliet:
On 2010-11-07 Kostas wrote:
Hi We were trying to thing ways in order to promote SUSE Studio which we think is something great,we were thinking SS and OBS mostly because we want people that use another distribution to know those two great tools and become more familiar with the openSUSE project.
So what is the story,as the Greek openSUSE team we are installing
openSUSE distribution and some other distributions to some old computers that a branch of scouts have but we are talking with some other higher grade (national) scouts so that we install FOSS to other branches around Greece.We had the problem that the PC's are really old and we need a lighter distribution,so Stathis said "Ok I'll try to make one on SUSE Studio" and I thought why should we do it and don't let other people be creative,let other people know this great tool and give anyone who wants the pleasure of making an operating system by himself?
So we thought why don't we ask for permission for the scout logos and
stuff and make a contest about who will create a Custom Scout Distribution? We are thinking in giving everyone a starter pack with logos and stuff that Scout want included in the distribution to download from a page,give a dead end(with plenty of time,not because people might need time to create a distribution but give us the time to promote it BIG),after that give some people to test all the distributions and finally the Greek openSUSE team and the Scouts(or maybe only the scouts) to choose the winner.I would like to ask if openSUSE can send us something to put as a prize,something symbolic, I really don't know.
Finally we have an 'official' Greek Scout openSUSE distribution and
after that if all this go well we could try on organizing a global contest about it,only think what might follow after that..Other organizations and a great marketing opening opening doors for openSUSE project around the world. You might think we are crazy or dreamers or what ever, we don't bother because we are...
Really an awesome idea! I like it a lot. How about I get you in contact with the SUSE Studio marketing people at Novell, they might want to help you with this?!?
Kostas 'Warlordfff' Koudaras
sorry, but we are not responsible for market SUSE Studio, why its called not openSUSE Studio? Because its a product of SUSE Linux not a subproject of openSUSE
YOU are not responsible for anything - everything you do you take on yourself. Indeed, SUSE Studio is not a direct openSUSE product nor open source (though closely related and free to use). I gladly promote it as it reflects very positive on openSUSE that something as cool as Studion is build upon our stuff... One more thing: remember Henne's keynote: DO NOT put down efforts of anyone.
br gnokii
I have a few questions Jos and then I'll get back to you about what you asked me,if we create a distribution out of SUSE Studio is anyone having commercial rights for that product and who is that? Its creator or Novell? What is it's license? Isn't that product a FOSS Product? Please let me know because we are a few steps behind on making a deal and I would like to be sure on what I am talking about to others, their concern is that none can have commercial rights and that the product(distribution) is free for anyone. Kostas "Warlordfff" Koudaras 2010/11/9 Jos Poortvliet <jospoortvliet@gmail.com>:
On 2010-11-09 S wrote:
Am Montag 08 November 2010, 16:56:50 schrieb Jos Poortvliet:
On 2010-11-07 Kostas wrote:
Hi We were trying to thing ways in order to promote SUSE Studio which we think is something great,we were thinking SS and OBS mostly because we want people that use another distribution to know those two great tools and become more familiar with the openSUSE project.
So what is the story,as the Greek openSUSE team we are installing
openSUSE distribution and some other distributions to some old computers that a branch of scouts have but we are talking with some other higher grade (national) scouts so that we install FOSS to other branches around Greece.We had the problem that the PC's are really old and we need a lighter distribution,so Stathis said "Ok I'll try to make one on SUSE Studio" and I thought why should we do it and don't let other people be creative,let other people know this great tool and give anyone who wants the pleasure of making an operating system by himself?
So we thought why don't we ask for permission for the scout logos and
stuff and make a contest about who will create a Custom Scout Distribution? We are thinking in giving everyone a starter pack with logos and stuff that Scout want included in the distribution to download from a page,give a dead end(with plenty of time,not because people might need time to create a distribution but give us the time to promote it BIG),after that give some people to test all the distributions and finally the Greek openSUSE team and the Scouts(or maybe only the scouts) to choose the winner.I would like to ask if openSUSE can send us something to put as a prize,something symbolic, I really don't know.
Finally we have an 'official' Greek Scout openSUSE distribution and
after that if all this go well we could try on organizing a global contest about it,only think what might follow after that..Other organizations and a great marketing opening opening doors for openSUSE project around the world. You might think we are crazy or dreamers or what ever, we don't bother because we are...
Really an awesome idea! I like it a lot. How about I get you in contact with the SUSE Studio marketing people at Novell, they might want to help you with this?!?
Kostas 'Warlordfff' Koudaras
sorry, but we are not responsible for market SUSE Studio, why its called not openSUSE Studio? Because its a product of SUSE Linux not a subproject of openSUSE
YOU are not responsible for anything - everything you do you take on yourself. Indeed, SUSE Studio is not a direct openSUSE product nor open source (though closely related and free to use). I gladly promote it as it reflects very positive on openSUSE that something as cool as Studion is build upon our stuff...
One more thing: remember Henne's keynote: DO NOT put down efforts of anyone.
br gnokii
-- http://opensuse.gr http://amb.opensuse.gr http://warlordfff.tk me I am not me ------- Time travel is possible, you just need to know the right aliens I gave exams for God , but I failed in miracles -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+help@opensuse.org
On Tuesday 09 November 2010 13:46:55 Kostas Koudaras wrote:
I have a few questions Jos and then I'll get back to you about what you asked me,if we create a distribution out of SUSE Studio is anyone having commercial rights for that product and who is that?
If you create anything in Studio based on openSUSE, you have to follow the openSUSE trademark guidelines. So, depending on the changes you have to remove the trademarks or ask for permission to use the trademark - which in a case like you describe expect to be granted.
Its creator or Novell? What is it's license? Isn't that product a FOSS Product?
It is, the only restriction here is using of trademarks.
Please let me know because we are a few steps behind on making a deal and I would like to be sure on what I am talking about to others, their concern is that none can have commercial rights and that the product(distribution) is free for anyone.
If you remove the openSUSE-branding packages, you have no problems at all, Andreas -- Andreas Jaeger, Program Manager openSUSE, aj@{novell.com,opensuse.org} Twitter: jaegerandi | Identica: jaegerandi SUSE LINUX Products GmbH, GF: Markus Rex, HRB 16746 (AG Nürnberg) Maxfeldstr. 5, 90409 Nürnberg, Germany GPG fingerprint = 93A3 365E CE47 B889 DF7F FED1 389A 563C C272 A126 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+help@opensuse.org
2010/11/9 Andreas Jaeger <aj@novell.com>:
On Tuesday 09 November 2010 13:46:55 Kostas Koudaras wrote:
I have a few questions Jos and then I'll get back to you about what you asked me,if we create a distribution out of SUSE Studio is anyone having commercial rights for that product and who is that?
If you create anything in Studio based on openSUSE, you have to follow the openSUSE trademark guidelines. So, depending on the changes you have to remove the trademarks or ask for permission to use the trademark - which in a case like you describe expect to be granted.
Its creator or Novell? What is it's license? Isn't that product a FOSS Product?
It is, the only restriction here is using of trademarks.
Please let me know because we are a few steps behind on making a deal and I would like to be sure on what I am talking about to others, their concern is that none can have commercial rights and that the product(distribution) is free for anyone.
If you remove the openSUSE-branding packages, you have no problems at all,
Or if I don't,so that this way to promote openSUSE which is my Primary target,I could ask permission from the board to use it,right?
Andreas -- Andreas Jaeger, Program Manager openSUSE, aj@{novell.com,opensuse.org} Twitter: jaegerandi | Identica: jaegerandi SUSE LINUX Products GmbH, GF: Markus Rex, HRB 16746 (AG Nürnberg) Maxfeldstr. 5, 90409 Nürnberg, Germany GPG fingerprint = 93A3 365E CE47 B889 DF7F FED1 389A 563C C272 A126
If there is any give aways of other promotional material about SUSE Studio I am really interested so that I can promote it. -- http://opensuse.gr http://amb.opensuse.gr http://warlordfff.tk me I am not me ------- Time travel is possible, you just need to know the right aliens I gave exams for God , but I failed in miracles -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+help@opensuse.org
(2010/11/11 4:30), Kostas Koudaras wrote:
It is, the only restriction here is using of trademarks.
Please let me know because we are a few steps behind on making a deal and I would like to be sure on what I am talking about to others, their concern is that none can have commercial rights and that the product(distribution) is free for anyone.
If you remove the openSUSE-branding packages, you have no problems at all,
Or if I don't,so that this way to promote openSUSE which is my Primary target,I could ask permission from the board to use it,right?
No. Refer to http://en.opensuse.org/OpenSUSE_Trademark_Guidelines#Contact_Information "You may contact us regarding these Guidelines, including regarding requests for permission, at permission@novell.com." I'd recommend you to read whole the page, though. ;-) Best, -- _/_/ Satoru Matsumoto - openSUSE Member - Japan _/_/ _/_/ Marketing/Weekly News/openFATE Screening Team _/_/ _/_/ mail: helios_reds_at_gmx.net / irc: HeliosReds _/_/ _/_/ http://blog.zaq.ne.jp/opensuse/ _/_/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+help@opensuse.org
On Thursday 11 November 2010 01:54:58 Satoru Matsumoto wrote:
(2010/11/11 4:30), Kostas Koudaras wrote:
It is, the only restriction here is using of trademarks.
Please let me know because we are a few steps behind on making a deal and I would like to be sure on what I am talking about to others, their concern is that none can have commercial rights and that the product(distribution) is free for anyone.
If you remove the openSUSE-branding packages, you have no problems at all,
Or if I don't,so that this way to promote openSUSE which is my Primary target,I could ask permission from the board to use it,right?
No. Refer to http://en.opensuse.org/OpenSUSE_Trademark_Guidelines#Contact_Information
"You may contact us regarding these Guidelines, including regarding requests for permission, at permission@novell.com."
I'd recommend you to read whole the page, though. ;-)
In the end the board will answer it nevertheless - but you're right, the address for this is permissions@... Andreas -- Andreas Jaeger, Program Manager openSUSE, aj@{novell.com,opensuse.org} Twitter: jaegerandi | Identica: jaegerandi SUSE LINUX Products GmbH, GF: Markus Rex, HRB 16746 (AG Nürnberg) Maxfeldstr. 5, 90409 Nürnberg, Germany GPG fingerprint = 93A3 365E CE47 B889 DF7F FED1 389A 563C C272 A126 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+help@opensuse.org
(2010/11/09 21:46), Kostas Koudaras wrote:
I have a few questions Jos and then I'll get back to you about what you asked me,if we create a distribution out of SUSE Studio is anyone having commercial rights for that product and who is that? Its creator or Novell? What is it's license? Isn't that product a FOSS Product? Please let me know because we are a few steps behind on making a deal and I would like to be sure on what I am talking about to others, their concern is that none can have commercial rights and that the product(distribution) is free for anyone. Kostas "Warlordfff" Koudaras
One thing we should keep in mind is legal and license issue. Whether your appliance is a FOSS product or not depends on the licenses of the software which you adopt. If all the packages in it are FOSS applications, your appliance will be a FOSS product. But once you include proprietary software which cannot be freely redistributed in it, you won't be able to distribute it. It is technically viable to create appliances with commercial applications and 'gray zone' software such as multimedia codecs on SUSE Studio, but whether we can distribute such appliances or not is another matter. At least, such appliances shouldn't be distributed under the name of (open)SUSE. Best, -- _/_/ Satoru Matsumoto - openSUSE Member - Japan _/_/ _/_/ Marketing/Weekly News/openFATE Screening Team _/_/ _/_/ mail: helios_reds_at_gmx.net / irc: HeliosReds _/_/ _/_/ http://blog.zaq.ne.jp/opensuse/ _/_/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+help@opensuse.org
Am Dienstag 09 November 2010, 13:32:32 schrieb Jos Poortvliet:
On 2010-11-09 S wrote:
Am Montag 08 November 2010, 16:56:50 schrieb Jos Poortvliet:
On 2010-11-07 Kostas wrote:
Hi We were trying to thing ways in order to promote SUSE Studio which we think is something great,we were thinking SS and OBS mostly because we want people that use another distribution to know those two great tools and become more familiar with the openSUSE project.
So what is the story,as the Greek openSUSE team we are installing
openSUSE distribution and some other distributions to some old computers that a branch of scouts have but we are talking with some other higher grade (national) scouts so that we install FOSS to other branches around Greece.We had the problem that the PC's are really old and we need a lighter distribution,so Stathis said "Ok I'll try to make one on SUSE Studio" and I thought why should we do it and don't let other people be creative,let other people know this great tool and give anyone who wants the pleasure of making an operating system by himself?
So we thought why don't we ask for permission for the scout logos and
stuff and make a contest about who will create a Custom Scout Distribution? We are thinking in giving everyone a starter pack with logos and stuff that Scout want included in the distribution to download from a page,give a dead end(with plenty of time,not because people might need time to create a distribution but give us the time to promote it BIG),after that give some people to test all the distributions and finally the Greek openSUSE team and the Scouts(or maybe only the scouts) to choose the winner.I would like to ask if openSUSE can send us something to put as a prize,something symbolic, I really don't know.
Finally we have an 'official' Greek Scout openSUSE distribution and
after that if all this go well we could try on organizing a global contest about it,only think what might follow after that..Other organizations and a great marketing opening opening doors for openSUSE project around the world. You might think we are crazy or dreamers or what ever, we don't bother because we are...
Really an awesome idea! I like it a lot. How about I get you in contact with the SUSE Studio marketing people at Novell, they might want to help you with this?!?
Kostas 'Warlordfff' Koudaras
sorry, but we are not responsible for market SUSE Studio, why its called not openSUSE Studio? Because its a product of SUSE Linux not a subproject of openSUSE
YOU are not responsible for anything - everything you do you take on yourself. Indeed, SUSE Studio is not a direct openSUSE product nor open source (though closely related and free to use). I gladly promote it as it reflects very positive on openSUSE that something as cool as Studion is build upon our stuff...
One more thing: remember Henne's keynote: DO NOT put down efforts of anyone.
there are always two sides of the medal. Hennes "Do it" means when 2 guys do it on the other side one does it for nothing e.g. Hope this guy stay on the end in the project but I fear not. on this case here it means, sure we can market SUSE Studio but have we time and resources for it or should we look better for the points we are responsible? br gnokii
br gnokii
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On Tuesday 09 November 2010 14:39:49 S.Kemter wrote:
on this case here it means, sure we can market SUSE Studio but have we time and resources for it or should we look better for the points we are responsible?
Marketing SUSE Studio itself is not really the question I think. People who like it should do it, of course, but that's indeed not necessarily the scope of openSUSE marketing. On the other hand SUSE Studio is a great tool for marketing openSUSE. There are thousands of users of SUSE Studio who are building on top of openSUSE. That's certainly a resource you don't want to miss. -- Cornelius Schumacher <cschum@suse.de> -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+help@opensuse.org
Am Dienstag 09 November 2010, 14:38:59 schrieb Cornelius Schumacher:
On Tuesday 09 November 2010 14:39:49 S.Kemter wrote:
on this case here it means, sure we can market SUSE Studio but have we time and resources for it or should we look better for the points we are responsible?
Marketing SUSE Studio itself is not really the question I think. People who like it should do it, of course, but that's indeed not necessarily the scope of openSUSE marketing.
On the other hand SUSE Studio is a great tool for marketing openSUSE. There are thousands of users of SUSE Studio who are building on top of openSUSE. That's certainly a resource you don't want to miss.
btw. Cornelius it is possible to supply the ambassadors with a little bit marketing give aways for SUSE Studio? br gnokii -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+help@opensuse.org
On Tuesday 09 November 2010 15:59:37 S.Kemter wrote:
btw. Cornelius it is possible to supply the ambassadors with a little bit marketing give aways for SUSE Studio?
I can check. -- Cornelius Schumacher <cschum@suse.de> -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+help@opensuse.org
On Sunday 07 November 2010 11:20:28 Kostas Koudaras wrote:
Hi We were trying to thing ways in order to promote SUSE Studio which we think is something great,we were thinking SS and OBS mostly because we want people that use another distribution to know those two great tools and become more familiar with the openSUSE project. So what is the story,as the Greek openSUSE team we are installing openSUSE distribution and some other distributions to some old computers that a branch of scouts have but we are talking with some other higher grade (national) scouts so that we install FOSS to other branches around Greece.We had the problem that the PC's are really old and we need a lighter distribution,so Stathis said "Ok I'll try to make one on SUSE Studio" and I thought why should we do it and don't let other people be creative,let other people know this great tool and give anyone who wants the pleasure of making an operating system by himself? So we thought why don't we ask for permission for the scout logos and stuff and make a contest about who will create a Custom Scout Distribution? We are thinking in giving everyone a starter pack with logos and stuff that Scout want included in the distribution to download from a page,give a dead end(with plenty of time,not because people might need time to create a distribution but give us the time to promote it BIG),after that give some people to test all the distributions and finally the Greek openSUSE team and the Scouts(or maybe only the scouts) to choose the winner.I would like to ask if openSUSE can send us something to put as a prize,something symbolic, I really don't know. Finally we have an 'official' Greek Scout openSUSE distribution and after that if all this go well we could try on organizing a global contest about it,only think what might follow after that..Other organizations and a great marketing opening opening doors for openSUSE project around the world. You might think we are crazy or dreamers or what ever, we don't bother because we are...
Kostas 'Warlordfff' Koudaras
Resurrecting dead thread... :D BTW there is the openSUSE Distr contest* which is almost done now... Anyway I would say promoting studio by USING it and talking about it is plenty :D Cheers, Jos * http://www.novell.com/promo/suse/the-disters-contest.html
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