[Fwd: Re: [opensuse-kde] Want my cashew back - desktop folder view problem?]
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Subject: Re: [opensuse-kde] Want my cashew back - desktop folder view
problem?
Date: Mon, 02 Mar 2009 13:23:09 +0100
From: Robert Graf-Waczenski
Mandag 02 marts 2009 10:02:59 skrev Robert Graf-Waczenski:
Sorry if this has been asked before and if i'm not using the correct KDE terms. I'm not a regular poster here but i'm using KDE 4 since the early betas and i'm liking it a lot. Thanks to all who are involved in the KDE project for giving me this huge result of their mostly private and in many cases unpaid work!
I'm using KDE 4.2 (updated recently from the factory repository) on openSUSE 11.1 x86_64 and i'm observing the following odd issue: Since quite some time, my desktop no longer reacts on the right mouse button (which means that i can't change the desktop appearance settings such as background image etc.). I *think* that this is caused by my desktop being in "plain folder view" mode. I tried various things to get a real plasma-like desktop again but failed. I deleted all plasma-related configuration files, logged out, logged back in again - no luck. I even created a fresh user and observed the same behavior, so this desktop mode is apparently the openSUSE default one. I have one other account that does not show this behavior, i.e. for this account i do have a real plasma desktop with the cashew in the top right corner. The next thing that i will probably try (if i find the time, which is not very probable) is to copy over all settings from that other user to my standard work user account. Instead i would like to know how to change the desktop of my work user account back to my preferred full mode. (And, as a bonus, i'd like to change the openSUSE default behavior to *not* use this type of desktop mode but to instead create fresh users with a real plasma desktop)
There's no "plain folder view" desktop activity. There's "Plain desktop" which is the normal kde4 desktop without the cashew, and there's "Folderview" which _has_ the cashew, but shows you desktop-folder contents all over the desktop just like Windows 95. Whatever desktop activity you use, it doesn't explain the lack of the right click context menu.
I think you need to look for other explanations, starting with your Qt version - you should use Qt 4.4.3, I suspect you may be using Qt 4.5rc.
I'm using Qt 4.4.3, not 4.5rc. I was actually considering to use Qt 4.5rc to fix the issue but did not yet have the time and audacity to do so. How do i change the "desktop activity" that i'm using? Robert -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-kde+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-kde+help@opensuse.org
On Monday 02 March 2009 13:26:04 Robert Graf-Waczenski wrote:
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There's no "plain folder view" desktop activity. There's "Plain desktop" which is the normal kde4 desktop without the cashew, and there's "Folderview" which _has_ the cashew, but shows you desktop-folder contents all over the desktop just like Windows 95. Whatever desktop activity you use, it doesn't explain the lack of the right click context menu.
I think you need to look for other explanations, starting with your Qt version - you should use Qt 4.4.3, I suspect you may be using Qt 4.5rc.
I'm using Qt 4.4.3, not 4.5rc. I was actually considering to use Qt 4.5rc to fix the issue but did not yet have the time and audacity to do so. How do i change the "desktop activity" that i'm using?
This behaviour (no right click, no widget borders) is caused by the configured plasma desktop plugin not loading. We did not port this for the initial 4.2.0 packages, but it is now present. Perhaps you still have the older ones installed? Does ~/.kde4/share/config/plasma-appletsrc contain plugin=plaindesktop? Is /usr/lib*/kde4/plasma_containment_plaindesktop.so present? Will
Will Stephenson wrote:
On Monday 02 March 2009 13:26:04 Robert Graf-Waczenski wrote:
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There's no "plain folder view" desktop activity. There's "Plain
desktop"
which is the normal kde4 desktop without the cashew, and there's "Folderview" which _has_ the cashew, but shows you desktop-folder contents all over the desktop just like Windows 95. Whatever desktop activity you use, it doesn't explain the lack of the right click context menu.
I think you need to look for other explanations, starting with your Qt version - you should use Qt 4.4.3, I suspect you may be using Qt 4.5rc.
I'm using Qt 4.4.3, not 4.5rc. I was actually considering to use Qt 4.5rc to fix the issue but did not yet have the time and audacity to do so. How do i change the "desktop activity" that i'm using?
This behaviour (no right click, no widget borders) is caused by the configured plasma desktop plugin not loading. We did not port this for the initial 4.2.0 packages, but it is now present. Perhaps you still have the older ones installed?
Does ~/.kde4/share/config/plasma-appletsrc contain plugin=plaindesktop?
Is /usr/lib*/kde4/plasma_containment_plaindesktop.so present?
Will
I will check this when i'm at home. Meanwhile: What would be the suggested method to resolve this? Are more recent packages available in the factory repo? If not, can i somehow fiddle with the configuration to avoid the problem? Robert -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-kde+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-kde+help@opensuse.org
On Tuesday 03 March 2009 16:57:36 Robert Graf-Waczenski wrote:
I will check this when i'm at home. Meanwhile: What would be the suggested method to resolve this?
Either install the most recent 4.2.0 packages (although, 4.2.1 is out tomorrow, if you are bandwidth-poor).
Are more recent packages available in the factory repo?
Yes, that include the-ported-to-4.2 plaindesktop plugin.
If not, can i somehow fiddle with the configuration to avoid the problem?
Change plugin=plaindesktop to plugin=desktop in plasma-appletsrc and you will get the upstream default desktop (with cashew). HTH Will
Will Stephenson wrote:
On Monday 02 March 2009 13:26:04 Robert Graf-Waczenski wrote:
Forwarding to the list which apparently has reply-to munging disabled. Sorry for the inconvenience.
There's no "plain folder view" desktop activity. There's "Plain
desktop"
which is the normal kde4 desktop without the cashew, and there's "Folderview" which _has_ the cashew, but shows you desktop-folder contents all over the desktop just like Windows 95. Whatever desktop activity you use, it doesn't explain the lack of the right click context menu.
I think you need to look for other explanations, starting with your Qt version - you should use Qt 4.4.3, I suspect you may be using Qt 4.5rc.
I'm using Qt 4.4.3, not 4.5rc. I was actually considering to use Qt 4.5rc to fix the issue but did not yet have the time and audacity to do so. How do i change the "desktop activity" that i'm using?
This behaviour (no right click, no widget borders) is caused by the configured plasma desktop plugin not loading. We did not port this for the initial 4.2.0 packages, but it is now present. Perhaps you still have the older ones installed?
Does ~/.kde4/share/config/plasma-appletsrc contain plugin=plaindesktop?
Here's my plasma-appletsrc file in its entirety: [Containments][1] activity= desktop=0 formfactor=0 geometry=0,0,1024,768 immutability=1 location=0 plugin= screen=0 wallpaperplugin=image wallpaperpluginmode=SingleImage zvalue=0 [Containments][1][Wallpaper][image] slideTimer=600 slidepaths=/usr/share/wallpapers/ userswallpapers= wallpaper=/usr/share/wallpapers/Air wallpapercolor=56,111,150 wallpaperposition=0 [Containments][3] activity= desktop=-1 formfactor=2 geometry=0,-41,1024,35 immutability=1 location=4 plugin=panel screen=0 zvalue=150 [Containments][3][Applets][10] geometry=710,3,32,32 immutability=1 plugin=icon zvalue=0 [Containments][3][Applets][10][Configuration] Url=file:///usr/share/applications/kde4/konqbrowser.desktop [Containments][3][Applets][11] geometry=674,3,32,32 immutability=1 plugin=icon zvalue=0 [Containments][3][Applets][11][Configuration] Url=file:///usr/share/applications/kde4/dolphin.desktop [Containments][3][Applets][4] geometry=0,3,32,32 immutability=1 plugin=launcher zvalue=0 [Containments][3][Applets][4][Shortcuts] global= [Containments][3][Applets][5] geometry=36,3,32,32 immutability=1 plugin=notifier zvalue=0 [Containments][3][Applets][6] geometry=72,3,42,32 immutability=1 plugin=pager zvalue=0 [Containments][3][Applets][7] geometry=118,3,552,32 immutability=1 plugin=tasks zvalue=0 [Containments][3][Applets][8] geometry=746,3,188,32 immutability=1 plugin=systemtray zvalue=0 [Containments][3][Applets][8][Configuration][PopupApplet] DialogHeight=72 DialogWidth=200 [Containments][3][Applets][9] geometry=938,3,64,32 immutability=1 plugin=digital-clock zvalue=0 [Containments][3][Applets][9][Configuration][ExtenderItems][1] extenderIconName=view-pim-calendar extenderItemName=calendar extenderTitle=Kalender sourceAppletId=9 sourceAppletPluginName=digital-clock [Containments][3][Applets][9][Configuration][PopupApplet] DialogHeight=251 DialogWidth=248 [Containments][3][Configuration] maximumSize=1024,35 minimumSize=1024,35
Is /usr/lib*/kde4/plasma_containment_plaindesktop.so present?
Apparently not: dude@schraubensack:/usr/lib64/kde4> ls -al /usr/lib*/kde4/plasma_containment_plaindesktop.so ls: Zugriff auf /usr/lib*/kde4/plasma_containment_plaindesktop.so nicht möglich: Datei oder Verzeichnis nicht gefunden I then updated my KDE to the latest (as of March 3) factory version and still have the same behavior: No RMB, no widget borders after zooming out, no cashew in the top right desktop corner. I will update to KDE 4.2.1 once it is available and will report back if the behavior is still present. Robert -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-kde+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-kde+help@opensuse.org
Robert Graf-Waczenski wrote:
Will Stephenson wrote:
I think you need to look for other explanations, starting with your Qt version - you should use Qt 4.4.3, I suspect you may be using Qt 4.5rc.
I'm using Qt 4.4.3, not 4.5rc. I was actually considering to use Qt 4.5rc to fix the issue but did not yet have the time and audacity to do so. How do i change the "desktop activity" that i'm using?
This behaviour (no right click, no widget borders) is caused by the configured plasma desktop plugin not loading. We did not port this for the initial 4.2.0 packages, but it is now present. Perhaps you still have the older ones installed?
Does ~/.kde4/share/config/plasma-appletsrc contain plugin=plaindesktop?
Here's my plasma-appletsrc file in its entirety:
[Containments][1] activity= desktop=0 formfactor=0 geometry=0,0,1024,768 immutability=1 location=0 plugin= screen=0 wallpaperplugin=image wallpaperpluginmode=SingleImage zvalue=0
I was able to resolve this problem. Updating to KDE 4.2.1 was the first step (which i would have performed anyway since i like to work with the latest & greatest KDE). This did not change the behavior, i.e. still no RMB, still no widget borders or anything. I then verified that the file plasma_containment_plaindesktop.so now is indeed installed (i did not check this with the update of March 3rd, but anyway, now the file is there). I then noticed that the file plasma-appletsrc contains a suspicious line, namely "plugin=" (see quoted text above, with no plugin mentioned). I changed this to read instead "plugin=plaindesktop". Logged out and logged back in again and - voilà! - there's my cashew again and i see the RMB context menu. Credit is due to Will for giving me the pointers to the right configuration file and to the location where the plasma plugins are to be installed! I have no idea how the configuration file got messed up in the first place. Maybe some rogue update conversion or whatnot. Don't care, works now :-)) Robert -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-kde+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-kde+help@opensuse.org
On Thursday 05 March 2009 09:24:50 Robert Graf-Waczenski wrote:
I have no idea how the configuration file got messed up in the first place. Maybe some rogue update conversion or whatnot. Don't care, works now :-))
This is the standard kind of lumpy porridge you have to expect from KDE:KDE4:Factory:Desktop - at least we've identified the risk and we will make sure that the upgrade from 11.1 to 11.2 works smoothly. I've talked with Plasma devs about making Plasma fall back to the default 'desktop' plugin if the configured desktop plugin fails to load too. Will
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