[opensuse-kde] Regarding KDE:KDE4:Playground
Hi guys, I'm sorry for not attending yesterdays meeting but after some talk in -kde I realized you want to replace KDE:KDE4:Playground with something like KDE:Unstable:Playground. IMHO that is plain wrong for two reasons: 1. The URL implies some association with :Unstable which is just wrong. 2. It is simply under the wrong namespace. We created "KDE:Extra" for "community" maintained packages and the stuff in :Playground is either a SVN snapshot from :Extra or :Distro:Factory. But still it is _only_ community maintained! IMHO the :Playground stuff should therefore be under a namespace that makes it explicitly clear that those packages are _only_ community maintained. Further them being bellow KDE:Unstable gives the wrong intention since those packages have _nothing_ to do with the :Unstable project. Could you please therefore reconsider your decision and use "KDE:Extra:Playground" instead? This way it would be clear that anything bellow :Extra is community maintained and :Playground speaks for itself but it doesn't imply any relationships to :Unstable which are simply not valid. Personally I certainly couldn't care less since I'll be able to select the repos I need but since the purpose of all that renaming fuss is to create a more "reasonable" layout I beg you to put the :Playground stuff bellow :Extra since it is _only_ maintained by the community and has nothing to do with the :Unstable repo. Therefore please reconsider your decision. regards, Stephan -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-kde+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-kde+help@opensuse.org
Lørdag den 24. juli 2010 11:18:11 skrev Stephan Kleine:
I'm sorry for not attending yesterdays meeting but after some talk in -kde I realized you want to replace KDE:KDE4:Playground with something like KDE:Unstable:Playground.
IMHO that is plain wrong for two reasons:
1. The URL implies some association with :Unstable which is just wrong. 2. It is simply under the wrong namespace.
I originally saw it like you do, and wanted simply kde:playground, but in the end I voted for the current solution. Because: 1. The packages in Playground are unreleased, unstable stuff - so it makes sense to put them under "Unstable" even though they have nothing to do with Unstable:SC as such. Similarly Stable and Factory shouldn't be mixed, yet they're in the same namespace. 2. When you have a full URL it should be clear that playground is not tied to Unstable:SC, like e.g.: http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/KDE:/Unstable:/Playground/openSUSE... 3. By not having the playground repo in the root of the KDE: project, maybe fewer people will mess around with it who shouldn't. 4. Only experts should fiddle around with the playground repo - so it doesn't matter much if the location is a little bit hidden and confusing. 5. The location and the purpose of the repo will be nicely documented on the wiki. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-kde+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-kde+help@opensuse.org
On Saturday 24 of July 2010, Stephan Kleine wrote:
Hi guys,
I'm sorry for not attending yesterdays meeting but after some talk in -kde I realized you want to replace KDE:KDE4:Playground with something like KDE:Unstable:Playground.
Martin has already explained this well, I just want to stress two points.
IMHO that is plain wrong for two reasons:
1. The URL implies some association with :Unstable which is just wrong. 2. It is simply under the wrong namespace.
It is under the right namespace. Playground is unstable, therefore it is correctly placed under KDE:Unstable. SC is also unstable, therefore it is placed under KDE:Unstable. If new KDEPIM will get a separate project, it will be KDE:Unstable:kdepimwhatever. The only wrong associations may be because of history, when you remember that the SC repo used to be called 'UNSTABLE'.
We created "KDE:Extra" for "community" maintained packages and the stuff in
:Playground is either a SVN snapshot from :Extra or :Distro:Factory. But : still
it is _only_ community maintained!
IMHO the :Playground stuff should therefore be under a namespace that makes it explicitly clear that those packages are _only_ community maintained.
And this is another reason why the rename has been done - to get rid of the obsolete notion of "community maintained". This maybe had a place in the past, but openSUSE has been moving towards being a full community distro and there is not supposed to be any "us" vs "them". Novell people are now also part of the openSUSE community, and although for historical and inertia reasons e.g. KDE:Distro repos are handled mainly by Novell people, that's not a requirement and it may not be so in a year. KDE:Extra does not mean "community packages" or "packages done by the others". It means "additional packages that are not in openSUSE distribution". And BTW, there are packages maintained by me in Extra and Playground too. -- Lubos Lunak openSUSE Boosters team, KDE developer l.lunak@suse.cz , l.lunak@kde.org -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-kde+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-kde+help@opensuse.org
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